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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
[Re: tlguy]
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cohunt - That was in Wisconsin?
I’ve always wondered about the very odd juxtaposition of maintaining trout populations by reducing or eliminating beaver? Did this part of the country only have beaver in the past? That doesn’t seem to be the case. Rather, I think it is another simplification that is easiest to implement. We would hate to have a more nuanced approach that considered more than one factor, the presence of trout, as a determinant of management activities.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/04/23 05:53 PM
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I could say a lot here but it is not good for my health. I bucked heads with WS, the head lady of Nicolette National Forest and Olson far too many times. Even caught Olson fudging the results of their survey to get the outcome he wanted to pass more restrictions on the free trappers and give WS CartBlanche before he retired.
It’s about time WS gets nocked down a notch or two or three or more. Hope this lawsuit goes forward enough to get discovery of the actual $$$$$ WS received to do this because it is way more than what is said by WDNR.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/04/23 06:07 PM
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[quote=8117 Steve R]I have mixed feelings about this one. On one hand, I normally do not support an anti's effort to curtail removal of nuisance animals, but the WI DNR/USDA policy of removing every beaver from an entire trout stream and its tributaries has always troubled me. I have seen the benefits of beaver dams on some small trout streams during low water times. Beaver dams are excellent habitat for a variety of species. It might be a good time for WI DNR to re-evaluate their beaver program. [/quote
I agree…they don’t need to be eradicated, just managed. But you can bet that the anti group won’t be happy even with a legit management plan.
The part that gets me the most is USDA setting for traveling beaver during dispersal. This shows their intent is elimination and not targeting specific damage locations. Why not let them disperse and trap the newly established colonies that are in true damage prone areas like roadways, ATV trails, etc.
What makes a trout trump a beaver? As usual the point is not understood, it’s about water quality not about which species trumps the other. Feel free to drink water from a beaver pond if you like.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
[Re: tlguy]
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07/04/23 06:59 PM
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Study was completed June of last year.
Nathan Robert’s is no longer the WDNR fur bearer biologist and no longer works for the WDNR. Too bad because he was someone I trusted a lot!
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/04/23 07:04 PM
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Study was completed June of last year.
Nathan Robert’s is no longer the WDNR fur bearer biologist and no longer works for the WDNR. Too bad because he was someone I trusted a lot! Results published?
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
[Re: tlguy]
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07/04/23 07:26 PM
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Stupid thinking that beaver harm trout,lol.
One of the best brook trout rivers in the world,the Onakawana has lots of beaver,same with all the tributaries of the North French which is as good brook trout fishing as the Onakawana if not better.
Same in the far north.people fly in way up north to the Sutton to fish brook trout,and there is lots of beaver way up there too.
Brook trout actually benefit greatly from beavers as the small trout which are in schools and are voracious hang out in the old feed bed debris in the beaver ponds where there are tons of bugs and good cover from predators.
There are so many brook trout that even the smallest railroad ditches have brook trout in them.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/04/23 07:29 PM
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[quote=8117 Steve R]I have mixed feelings about this one. On one hand, I normally do not support an anti's effort to curtail removal of nuisance animals, but the WI DNR/USDA policy of removing every beaver from an entire trout stream and its tributaries has always troubled me. I have seen the benefits of beaver dams on some small trout streams during low water times. Beaver dams are excellent habitat for a variety of species. It might be a good time for WI DNR to re-evaluate their beaver program. [/quote
I agree…they don’t need to be eradicated, just managed. But you can bet that the anti group won’t be happy even with a legit management plan.
The part that gets me the most is USDA setting for traveling beaver during dispersal. This shows their intent is elimination and not targeting specific damage locations. Why not let them disperse and trap the newly established colonies that are in true damage prone areas like roadways, ATV trails, etc.
What makes a trout trump a beaver? As usual the point is not understood, it’s about water quality not about which species trumps the other. Feel free to drink water from a beaver pond if you like. Very little is better for an ecosystem than beaver dams. I’m not drinking water out of a trout stream either And it is about what species trumps another It’s trout and angling dollars and let’s face it lot more trout fishermen than people who care about trapping beaver. There is no argument than beaver dams are great for wildlife.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/04/23 07:40 PM
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Beaver need to be managed, no question. My question is why is that management effort not being offered to Wisconsin trappers first rather than the Fed WS?
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/05/23 03:41 AM
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Unbelievable that any fur trapper would accept or support the elimination and waste of a target specie. I have not seen any fur trapper supporting elimination of any species in this thread. I don't understand your statement.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/06/23 01:52 PM
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When I pull this up, it looks like it runs until 2026. Did something change or was it always planning on going until the 2026? https://widnr.widen.net/s/bkhcxffq5n/beaver_trout_influencesI think I will see if I can get an update at the WCC Furbearer Advisory Meeting.
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
[Re: tlguy]
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07/06/23 01:57 PM
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You trappers down there need to take ownership of the management of your fur resource.
Looks like a good opportunity to move forward.
How good is your State trapping association's working relationship with the beurocrats,and do you have good friends in gov't you can use as a hammer to help move the beurocrats along when necessary?
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/06/23 07:12 PM
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I reached out to the person listed on that link I provided. He sent me to this link for some info on what they were seeing so far (page 113). https://wildtroutsymposium.com/Proceedings_13.pdf
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/12/23 09:58 AM
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Anybody look at the link I posted with some of the updates. Any thoughts?
I found it interesting that when they removed beaver control, not all of them had beaver quickly take up residency. "As of 2022, beavers are present and have built dams on 12 of the 24 study streams designated for recolonization by removing beaver control."
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Re: WI DNR being sued for beaver management
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07/12/23 01:55 PM
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Aside the beaver improving trout streams would someone /anyone tell me how beaver reduce green house gases as stated in the article? Guess I musta missed that beaver did that before graduating HS in 66.
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