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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833132
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Plug your load into this calculator and it will show you how to sight in for your MPBR. Only way to go as far as Im concerned.

https://shooterscalculator.com/point-blank-range.php


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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833134
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22lr=50 yard zero
17hmr=100 yard zero, 4 inch low at 150, and 8 inches low at 200, aim accordingly
All my high powers are zeroed at 200. This will kill anything I need to shoot from close up to about 250. I have a dope chart made up for each rifle for the longer shots.

Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: yukon254] #7833152
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Originally Posted by yukon254


Depends on the caliber. You can use a maximum point blank calculator for your load. The idea is to sight your rifle in so that your bullet will never be above or below a 6 inch circle. Think of it like shooting down a pipe. This takes all the guess work out of shots because most calibers point blank range will be in excess of 200 yards.


not far off what I do then , I run my data in the balistics calculator

sight height over bore , velocity , bullet length , BC , weight
let it run the numbers then look for that +- 2.5 playing with the zero range , then if it is a recital with MOA hashes or BDC hashes , play with it a little to try and make it line up at usable distances

this zero is 32/200 I am actually a lot more likely to shoot a deer closer to 32 yards than 200 in most of the places I hunt but zero at 200 because it leaves a lot of options open , that makes the 1.5moa has line up for 256 close enough to 250 to call it that.

this is a 308 180gr load
I have taken the rifle to 420 on steel but in any sort of wind I am not confident enough in my wind call.
250ish is probably my max range shot with that rifle without spending a lot more time with it shooting it in different wind at that range
so far it has taken more cows at inches than deer at hundreds of yards.

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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: yukon254] #7833156
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Plug your load into this calculator and it will show you how to sight in for your MPBR. Only way to go as far as Im concerned.

https://shooterscalculator.com/point-blank-range.php


my calculator and yours arrive in the same place
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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833194
03/29/23 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by yukon254
Plug your load into this calculator and it will show you how to sight in for your MPBR. Only way to go as far as Im concerned.

https://shooterscalculator.com/point-blank-range.php


my calculator and yours arrive in the same place
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Yea you can stretch it a bit by using a larger circle. Since the animals i hunt are larger I could use an 8-inch target and be in the vitals every time.

I have a serious dislike for large scopes with fancy turrets or ballistic reticles. They are fine for the range or maybe hunting from a tree stand but when your stalking or hunting out west or in the mountains they are a recipe for disaster. I've seen it so many times. Guys get flustered or dont have time to twist knobs....much easier to just throw the rifle up and shoot. Im convinced thats one reason hunters 40 years ago were better riflemen.

I've seen hunters that paid tens of thousands to hunt go home with nothing because they relied on turrets or ballistic reticles. Had a guy a couple years ago miss a bull moose at 100 yards. Found out later the scope turrets that stuck up 5 inches had rubbed against something hard enough to move them.


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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833198
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90% of my shots on big game are inside 75 yards, when hunting in SEAK. My rifles get zeroed at 100 yards. I zeroed my 300 Winchester Magnum at 200 for a couple hunts down south and it worked fine, longest shot was 320 yards. If I have to start twisting on the turrets I should be asking myself if I cannot get closer.
I do play around with a 6mm that has a lot of fancy features with the turrets and hash lines on the crosshairs. It’s fun to play with at the range and I would like to use it on maybe groundhogs, or varmint someday. Not real useful in what I consider hunting game.

Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: mad_mike] #7833203
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Originally Posted by mad_mike
90% of my shots on big game are inside 75 yards, when hunting in SEAK. My rifles get zeroed at 100 yards. I zeroed my 300 Winchester Magnum at 200 for a couple hunts down south and it worked fine, longest shot was 320 yards. If I have to start twisting on the turrets I should be asking myself if I cannot get closer.
I do play around with a 6mm that has a lot of fancy features with the turrets and hash lines on the crosshairs. It’s fun to play with at the range and I would like to use it on maybe groundhogs, or varmint someday. Not real useful in what I consider hunting game.



I agree. In almost 40 years guiding hunters in BC and Yukon I would bet the average distance a hunter had to shoot was well inside 200 yards, and that includes sheep.

There is a guy down your way that has a couple of Winchester 94s in 356. You know him by any chance ? He has taken a lot of game with that caliber. I've been looking for one for a long long time and finally found one new in the box last fall. Even found brass and a company in the lower 48 that makes a good bullet for the 356. Going to use it for bear this spring.


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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833233
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2.3 inches high at 100. Seriously? If your shooting 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards how do you measure 2.3 inchs high???? No the answer is decide where YOU want to be zeroed and sight your rifle in at that distance. All the rest of it is a gallon of lure divided out into 20 different bottles with 20 different names on it. If your a marine sniper, need to shoot a general at 1200 yards, yes you need to do some math to get a one shot hit. If your a deer hunter shooting across a canyon you need experience shooting 400 yards without a bench, without a mat to lay on, using a tree or a big rock to steady your rifle, looking at movement of limbs and weeds to determine how much wind there is. You get that from shooting under hunting conditions not from a calculator


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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: yukon254] #7833322
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Originally Posted by mad_mike
90% of my shots on big game are inside 75 yards, when hunting in SEAK. My rifles get zeroed at 100 yards. I zeroed my 300 Winchester Magnum at 200 for a couple hunts down south and it worked fine, longest shot was 320 yards. If I have to start twisting on the turrets I should be asking myself if I cannot get closer.
I do play around with a 6mm that has a lot of fancy features with the turrets and hash lines on the crosshairs. It’s fun to play with at the range and I would like to use it on maybe groundhogs, or varmint someday. Not real useful in what I consider hunting game.



I agree. In almost 40 years guiding hunters in BC and Yukon I would bet the average distance a hunter had to shoot was well inside 200 yards, and that includes sheep.

There is a guy down your way that has a couple of Winchester 94s in 356. You know him by any chance ? He has taken a lot of game with that caliber. I've been looking for one for a long long time and finally found one new in the box last fall. Even found brass and a company in the lower 48 that makes a good bullet for the 356. Going to use it for bear this spring.


The rifles in .356 doesn’t ring any bells. My late father had a .358 that he used as a brush gun hunting deer around here.
I have a Model 71 in .348 that is a treat to shoot. It was my grandfathers “do everything” rifle. Buffalo Bore has some some pretty stout rounds in the .348 chambering available for it. I am able to hit pretty well with the iron sights out to 200 yards but my eyes are starting to make using irons a bit challenging.

Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: yukon254] #7833363
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Originally Posted by yukon254

Yea you can stretch it a bit by using a larger circle. Since the animals i hunt are larger I could use an 8-inch target and be in the vitals every time.

I have a serious dislike for large scopes with fancy turrets or ballistic reticles. They are fine for the range or maybe hunting from a tree stand but when your stalking or hunting out west or in the mountains they are a recipe for disaster. I've seen it so many times. Guys get flustered or dont have time to twist knobs....much easier to just throw the rifle up and shoot. Im convinced thats one reason hunters 40 years ago were better riflemen.

I've seen hunters that paid tens of thousands to hunt go home with nothing because they relied on turrets or ballistic reticles. Had a guy a couple years ago miss a bull moose at 100 yards. Found out later the scope turrets that stuck up 5 inches had rubbed against something hard enough to move them.


I could stretch it further but I see no point at this time my longest shot on game was around 125 yards lots of places I can't see much further

the scope on that 308 is a 2-7x32 with the Vortec BDC hash recital I could have easily zeroed at 218 and had more range built in , but 200 left me with things lining up on the recital at about the 250 , 350 marks. not that I have used them on anything but targets.
that said I can only think of one time in 17 years of running a 2-7 optic I zoomed in from 2x while hunting , that was a 90 yard threading the needle shot I could see the buck through the brush and trees but only had about a 2x3 foot opening without brush to shoot it through took a knee zoomed in to about 4x and watched my opening for it to walk into the sight that was with my 12ga in a slug zone

I zero the smooth bore slug gun with scope for 75 yards that makes it about 3 inches low at 100 and very close to point of aim at 25 and 50



one of the issues with modern society is people think they can buy performance and you can to a degree. if you buy a 1moa gun and you shoot 15moa standing it is still a 15moa gun standing.
maybe you use a tree for a rest and get that to 6moa , it is still no better than you are.

you can't buy your time behind the rifle , the experience of shooting it at different targets at different ranges in all sorts of weather , well you can pay for it in time and rounds , you can buy tools like ballistic calculators and range finders to shorten the learning curve some. but you can't plunk down the credit card and buy it right now no work involved.

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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833378
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3" high at 100 yards. 7 Mag.


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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833382
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1” high @ 100 - 200 yard zero . Why ? Because it’s effective

Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833395
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Varies by gun/caliber for me. Some are dead on at 100, some are dead on at 250.

Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833404
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The 348 is a great caliber in one of the best lever actions ever built. No I dont have one. Yes i would like to someday. A friend has two so you never know.

You are right about buying accuracy. Cant be done. Bullets and powder are so expensive and hard to find up here now I cant shoot like I used to. Back 8 or so years ago I would shoot close to 5000 rounds a year. Cant do that now.


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Re: what is your rifle zero distance and why? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7833418
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I know what you are saying to an extent Yukon, I guide hunters every year that have every bell and whistle they can buy, but don't know how to use half of them, and can't shoot from a standing position. But I personally like turrets on my long range rifles and think they are the easiest and most reliable method to shoot accurately at longer ranges. No you don't need them at 300 yards, and I'll just throw up and shoot at that range, but if it is far enough to dial in, I figure I've got time or I shouldn't be shooting at that range anyways.

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It does depend on the caliber. If it's my 30-06, I started at 50 yards with a 150 grain bullet. From there I started ranging out, 100 yards to 250 yards. I found if I was dead center at 50 yards, I was about 2 1/2 inches high at 100 yards and pretty much dead on again at 225 yards. That's where I am set currently for deer.


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Originally Posted by bearcat2
I know what you are saying to an extent Yukon, I guide hunters every year that have every bell and whistle they can buy, but don't know how to use half of them, and can't shoot from a standing position. But I personally like turrets on my long range rifles and think they are the easiest and most reliable method to shoot accurately at longer ranges. No you don't need them at 300 yards, and I'll just throw up and shoot at that range, but if it is far enough to dial in, I figure I've got time or I shouldn't be shooting at that range anyways.


The reality is that very few have the ability to shoot past 300 yards. In my entire career I've had maybe half a dozen hunters that I would trust to shoot at game past that distance, and most of those guys were Europeans. Even for guys that have the ability they will seldom need to shoot that far anyway so its hard to justify lugging those big rifles and scopes around in the woods.

I love it when a hunter gets off the plane with a beat up old 30/06 or 270. Chances are he can shoot standing on his feet.


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