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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Crowfoot] #7806383
02/24/23 05:27 PM
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If there's heavy cover hogs are hard to eradicate. With a lot of the west being fairly open they would be fairly easily kept out. Here in KS they went from no season to shooting only with a permit. Too many idiots were trying to release them to establish a huntable population when it was open season on them

Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7806387
02/24/23 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Snowmobiles and dogs. I can't see how they would end up being a major problem in much of the North, seems way to easy to hunt them with deep snow in the winter on snowmachines.

I can't really see MN-DNR saying yup just hunt from snow machine with loaded guns.

they will ham string you until the population is so high it will be near impossible to control


100% correct

Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Crowfoot] #7806392
02/24/23 05:37 PM
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In MN it is illegal to kill a wild hog. They have done this in their infinite wisdom to prevent the illegal release of hogs in our state. This information about wild pigs was printed in the MN outdoor News a couple weeks ago. We can believe what we want but this is eventually going to be a problem.

Last edited by Born; 02/24/23 05:38 PM.

Help yourself.



Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Mark K] #7806396
02/24/23 05:44 PM
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if you like u tube video'es , go to yowt yowt , he traps hogs , think in missippi. probably makes a living at it. he arranges to give the hogs to people , wanting to fill their freezer. amazing how many he gets. old243

Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Crowfoot] #7806415
02/24/23 06:12 PM
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These hogs are more adaptable than what most give them credit for. They live in the Palo Duro Canyon, they are everywhere in the Big Bend part of Texas. A lot of you folks up north have terrain just like this. They will burrow under the leaf duff to stay warm and hide, they will do the same with snow. Disease is the only thing that will knock them out. Kidney worms and that bitter 2 degree cold we had two years ago is what whacked their numbers down here. However, if you have a Russian boar hog crossed with other ferrals. that is gonna be a huge problem. Especially in the wide expanse open areas where the human population is very sparse. dont think they cant survive your winters. They have in Russia for years and in other cold climate countries.

Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: TC1] #7806429
02/24/23 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TC1
Unfortunately there is no way a alphabet agency (dnr, gf&p) will pass up an opportunity to place some kind of overpriced fee on folks to eliminate a problem that our tax and license money will also be used to try and kill them off. Wait and see, they will spend millions of dollars and years of biological studies to come to the conclusion that they should be killed. But only by licensed folks or a permit. Instead of just saying from day one to shoot and kill all that are seen, no matter the season.

ND made it 100% illegal to hunt, shoot, transport, pen or catch feral hogs. They feel if no one can have a high fence hunt, it will cut down on the getting loose and if no one can hunt them why would someone turn them loose. So maybe your statement is 100% for SD, but not all the US.


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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Born] #7806433
02/24/23 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Born
In MN it is illegal to kill a wild hog. They have done this in their infinite wisdom to prevent the illegal release of hogs in our state. This information about wild pigs was printed in the MN outdoor News a couple weeks ago. We can believe what we want but this is eventually going to be a problem.

they WI-DNR asked us to have a hunting license or be land owner.

I think even that is a mistake but they want to have some way to say hey you with the gun out here hunting in any month of the year what are you doing , who are you , so if they make coyote and hog hunting a license activity it makes them feel better about their enforcement model.
there isn't a year I don't have a small game license so no skin off my back.

so far only a few local populations got out of farms or game farms and they were killed

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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Crowfoot] #7806439
02/24/23 06:44 PM
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ND spent a great amount of money surveying the Peace Garden area and paid for flights in Canada 15-20 years ago trying to track down the established population then. It was a gong show when they started shooting.

Round hay bales lined up in rows was their favourite nursing sites for winter. Grapefruit size little ones were everywhere when the bales were moved

Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Crowfoot] #7806456
02/24/23 07:04 PM
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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Crowfoot] #7806460
02/24/23 07:15 PM
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I know the guy that was going into Canada doing the hog study. I don't know of any litters that have made it through the winter in ND. WS shoot a few pigs once in a while, but it is small numbers once or twice a year. From what I remember Canada had a program to help farmers and ranchers set up high fence hunts for pigs. It is hard to keep pigs in a pen much less 100 plus acres. I think that was where the gaggle started.


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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Crowfoot] #7806461
02/24/23 07:15 PM
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In my area if a domestic pig gets loose, it is quickly rounded up and penned up. If the owner wants it back, he has a very short time to speak up before it will be in the catcher's freezer. Some of these guys are really good at it.

Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Sheepdog1] #7806478
02/24/23 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheepdog1
a bunch of folks on this forum have cried and whined about not having those vermin. Well, coming to a farm near you. And when they get there. You wont be able to keep up with as fast as they reproduce. Ask, and you shall receive. You have received. yall can now hunt until your barrels melt and not have to gripe about not having them up there to hunt. The farmers raising crops. Have no idea what is about to happen

You keep them there.If I want to shoot some,,Ill come visit. laugh


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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: old243] #7806483
02/24/23 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by old243
if you like u tube video'es , go to yowt yowt , he traps hogs , think in missippi. probably makes a living at it. he arranges to give the hogs to people , wanting to fill their freezer. amazing how many he gets. old243



I've watched a bunch of his stuff.
Its Yawt Yawt, tho.

Trapping is more effective than hunting.
If done right you can get 10-20 or more at a time and there are no survivors.

Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: old243] #7806553
02/24/23 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by old243
if you like u tube video'es , go to yowt yowt , he traps hogs , think in missippi. probably makes a living at it. he arranges to give the hogs to people , wanting to fill their freezer. amazing how many he gets. old243



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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7806558
02/24/23 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Snowmobiles and dogs. I can't see how they would end up being a major problem in much of the North, seems way to easy to hunt them with deep snow in the winter on snowmachines.

Hunting generally doesn’t put a dent in the population. Some of the stuff they live in is pretty thick which rules out sleds, here anyway. And if I were a wolf, a deer would probably be much easier to deal with. I think Saskatchewan was getting the whole sounder into a pen with some bait and offed em.
It’s when wild boar breed with a domestic pig like a “large white” that -can get crazy. When I worked at hog barn we shipped off an old 940lb boar for wieners……haha

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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Crowfoot] #7806574
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Ontario MNR also does not allow hunting. Supposedly, this is science based because just shooting Willy nilly is ineffective for eradication and splits up the Sounders and makes trapping inefficient.
Our conversation group OFAH are on board with this approach also.
We're supposed to just report the sighting so either our understaffed and underfunded MNR can show up a month late to the party or the government can hire some overpriced "consultants" to come in and shoot them.
Personally, I think providing licenced trappers with some training and BMPs to get a certificate could generate a nice income stream AND be more effective than the local drunks shooting at them with Cooey .22s LOL...


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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Northof50] #7806591
02/24/23 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Northof50
ND spent a great amount of money surveying the Peace Garden area and paid for flights in Canada 15-20 years ago trying to track down the established population then. It was a gong show when they started shooting.

Round hay bales lined up in rows was their favourite nursing sites for winter. Grapefruit size little ones were everywhere when the bales were moved


I live across a few lakes from the peace gardens. I don't think there's much for hogs in the area. The locals have a no-questions asked on a few species, including pigs. I'm more likely to hit an alpaca or farm pig at a particular bend in the road, than ever see a wild hog. And I have 7000 acres of wildlife area around me.

I'll have to ask the pilots and the state trapper if they are finding any pigs this year.

Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: MJM] #7806607
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by TC1
Unfortunately there is no way a alphabet agency (dnr, gf&p) will pass up an opportunity to place some kind of overpriced fee on folks to eliminate a problem that our tax and license money will also be used to try and kill them off. Wait and see, they will spend millions of dollars and years of biological studies to come to the conclusion that they should be killed. But only by licensed folks or a permit. Instead of just saying from day one to shoot and kill all that are seen, no matter the season.

ND made it 100% illegal to hunt, shoot, transport, pen or catch feral hogs. They feel if no one can have a high fence hunt, it will cut down on the getting loose and if no one can hunt them why would someone turn them loose. So maybe your statement is 100% for SD, but not all the US


I can see your point, but you are also kinda making mine also. As originally stated, these invasives are going to show up whether they can be hunted or not. Kinda like the ND prairie moose, but without the ability to eradicate them without a fine for poaching I would assume… Don’t ya think the state trappers already have enough to work on, much less eat up that much more tax $. Hope they eventually make it here I guess, I’d love an endless supply of bacon, and with the decline of prairie dogs, maybe a new pest to practice on..


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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: slydogx] #7806609
02/24/23 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by slydogx
Ontario MNR also does not allow hunting. Supposedly, this is science based because just shooting Willy nilly is ineffective for eradication and splits up the Sounders and makes trapping inefficient.
Our conversation group OFAH are on board with this approach also.
We're supposed to just report the sighting so either our understaffed and underfunded MNR can show up a month late to the party or the government can hire some overpriced "consultants" to come in and shoot them.
Personally, I think providing licenced trappers with some training and BMPs to get a certificate could generate a nice income stream AND be more effective than the local drunks shooting at them with Cooey .22s LOL...


BMPs? The Russian armoured personnel carriers? Hahaha.
We can shoot ‘em but I think guys just get the odd one by chance around here. Seems they’re more west for now. Manitoba Pork Council set up a site…..
https://squealonpigsmb.org/

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Re: Super Piggies from Canada [Re: Sharon] #7806610
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Originally Posted by Sharon
Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
Hogs do fine on cattle and horse ranchers lands. Most people here dont even eat them - shoot them and let them lay. USDS offers free trapping on your property. You can get rid of them - but you have to stay on them. I have either killed them off my property - or run them off. I purchased a thermal scope three years ago. I went from killing and trapping 153 in six months to not getting a picture of one in the past two months. I built my house in 2003 - and there have never been fewer hogs in my area than right now.



What I meant was that ranchers would shoot them immediately , not wanting the holes that hogs dig , or the rooting up of everything.

I should have clarified , sorry.


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