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Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand #7798649
02/14/23 08:20 PM
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I just read that Trudeau dropped two major amendments temporarily. It didn’t say which amendments. Conservative leader Pierre Poillievre said this is just a temporary pause since, as per Pierre, Trudeau made it clear he wants to ban all civilian firearm ownership in Canada.

Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7798655
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Typical strategy, ask for more and people are happy when you take less instead of being angry at what you took.


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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7798662
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Ammendment g46 was repealed.
Dropped the ban on some of the hunting rifles. Thats pretty much it. Bill c21 still stands and the 2020 OIC is still in affect. Not much changed

Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7798688
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If you have a handgun, very restricted to be able to sell it. Basically confiscated when you die

Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7798717
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Despite what Boco says....this is where we are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvMn6bACEM


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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7798719
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As an outside observer your country has the same problem a lot of our states have. An overwhelmingly urban population that see's no need for privately owned firearms. It's scary that people have no fear of government.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7798726
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As Rusty said above, its been a wild few weeks on this side of the border.

Take a seat, i’ll try to give you guys the rundown on whats going on in my interpretation - i am a simple firearms owner and not a lawyer so please forgive me if i get something wrong in my explaination or missed something.

Some quick background about gun control in canada to help you understand whats going on.
In canada we have 3 categories of firearms; non-restricted, restricted and prohibited.
Non-restricted are your basic rimfire, centerfire hunting rifles and airguns with muzzle velocity over 495 fps. To purchase these you need to take a course on safe handling and storage, pass a written and basic practical test. Its a simple procedure and most owners possess this license.
Restricted are currently handguns. To possess these requires another short course and test. Movement of these requires specialized paperwork called an authorization to transport. In canada, its very difficult to get a carry permit for a restricted firearm. Some trappers with remote traplines are an exception and have carry permits. Don’t read this the wrong way, lots of folks own handguns but normally no one in canada carries an uncased handgun in public.
Prohibited is a category for handguns with a very small carry signature like very short barrelled handguns, full auto rifles, etc. the important thing is you cannot acquire a prohibited license. These license holders have been grandfathered in from past generations, they can keep their firearms but they will be confiscated upon death.

The issue that is being fought wirh c-21 is that the government is proposing to classify some currently non-restricted and all restricted firearms as prohibited, all in the interest specifically of public safety. This is total bull feces as almost all gun crime in canada is carried out with smuggled firearms from the US. This bill will do nothing to increase public safety and is all about control.

Additionally, They are also not going to grandfather in the newly prohibited firearms, but instead are proposing to confiscate these previously legal firearms or provide some very small compensation in the form of a buyback to the owner - this hasn’t been confirmed yet. In canada, we don’t have a 2A like clause in our constitution so guns are not protected, however, we do have a legal right to own property and the government isn’t allowed to confiscate it - thats where the whole issue of the government buyback comes in.

Now, how do you describe one of these previously non-restricted firearms that will be confiscated? You call them “assault-style”. The jokers tried to define on paper what an assault-style rifle is, and in doing so came up with a description that included a whole list of current hunting rifles - oops. Everyone from the indigenous to the city police chiefs, ro government house members raised holy (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) as most hunting rifles would now be prohibited and confiscated.

Last week The government was forced to repeal that document identifing by make and model thousands of currently legal firearms that would have been declared prohibited.
However, The main bill, c-21, is still in effect and working its way through the process. The legal challange to this bill based on public safety goes to trial in The supreme court in april.

Ok, thats enough typing - i hope i answered some of your questions. Obviously there is more i won’t get into here.

Now im going to go clean some traps and follow bocos’s tanning procedure on some coons and mink.

Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: yukon254] #7798737
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Despite what Boco says....this is where we are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvMn6bACEM


No matter what anybody says if your firearm is banned, why would you want it hanging over your head every time you step out of your house you can be arrested. How about if the government puts out a bounty system to squeal on your neighbor or even a person on sites like this doing the same. It just doesn’t make sense saying they aren’t coming after my guns since I live in the bush. At least in the United States we have many sheriff departments that believe in the second amendment and wouldn’t enforce it.

Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7798749
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
Originally Posted by yukon254
Despite what Boco says....this is where we are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvMn6bACEM


No matter what anybody says if your firearm is banned, why would you want it hanging over your head every time you step out of your house you can be arrested. How about if the government puts out a bounty system to squeal on your neighbor or even a person on sites like this doing the same. It just doesn’t make sense saying they aren’t coming after my guns since I live in the bush. At least in the United States we have many sheriff departments that believe in the second amendment and wouldn’t enforce it.


With this legislation they are turning regular law abiding citizens into criminals. I have no intention of complying and I hope most others won't either. It don't male sense to pay out of pocket to buy a AR then turn around and comply with the buyback, ultimately paying for the same gun twice and not having it. Our problem and the supposedly gun problems you guys have is not the guns but mental health and drugs. Deal with the mental health issues and the drug dealing gangs the problem will be solved imo

Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7798758
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Exactly what happened to the failed fed gun registry-no one complied and the next govt scrapped it altogether because it was a total waste of money and accomplished nothing.
The odd person may go cap in hand to turn in some guns but the vast majority will ignore it,and when the Conservatives get in it will be tossed,revoked rescinded,legislated out-whatever vernacular you want to use.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7798783
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Wrong thread.

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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Boco] #7798794
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Originally Posted by Boco
Exactly what happened to the failed fed gun registry-no one complied and the next govt scrapped it altogether because it was a total waste of money and accomplished nothing.
The odd person may go cap in hand to turn in some guns but the vast majority will ignore it,and when the Conservatives get in it will be tossed,revoked rescinded,legislated out-whatever vernacular you want to use.


Hopefully it happens, that is the Conservatives regain control. I can’t see it happening in the United States in a long time if ever since the Democrats have cheating down to a science plus the woke attitude this country now has as demonstrated in our past November election.

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Most political analysts agree that the conservative party will never win another majority government in Canada; at least not anytime soon. Maxine B. is a big part of that reason since he splits the conservative votes, but regardless the conservatives even if elected wont scrap anything. Maxine B certainly would but he will never get in unfortunately.

Bill 21 is going to pass. The communists did pull back on the amendment that made it worse but are drafting another one right now that most think will be worse. Canada is fast going the same way Australia did and if you think otherwise you are not paying attention.

Just two weeks ago JT met with all the premiers and is trying to force them to adopt a digital ID program. Only two said no ( for now) Alberta and Saskatchewan. IMO the digital ID was the covid endgame from day one. Force everyone to have one and they got you. No way out. They will instantly know and have the ability to control everything you buy, and that includes firearms and ammo.

Doubt that then talk to people who had their bank accounts frozen because they wanted to help some poor trucker stand up for our rights. Then when you wonder how we could ever get to where we are now, go back a few months and read what some of the Canadian trappers here and on FB said about that. They were all in favor of it and didnt support the truckers or anyone else who tried to stand up for our rights. There was never any reason for the lockdowns or vax mandates, and anyone with an ounce of critical thinking skills knew it at the time. It was about control and this gun bill is just the next step.


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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: yukon254] #7799313
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I suspect you to be right Yukon. The cpc has leaned to far left for this guy to keep voting for them. These coalition Gov'ts are a farce. I hope the ndp looses alot of support over this last go around. The numbers in canuckistan show that 60+% vote leftard in one flavour or another. The cpc are quick to blame the ppc for splitting the vote but in all reality there is only 2 ridings in bc that the ppc made a difference for that to happen. As a albertan I am wishing for another turd Gov't. Not because I like the sad sack but we are in a decline that won't be righted anytime soon. Imo the sooner we spud it into the ground the sooner we can rebuild with perhaps separation as the building blocks. Canada is so diverse from east to west that our system is broke. A eastern elected govt has not and will not do squat for the west. In a perfect world I'd like to see the cpc in with a minority that is proped up by the Maverick party and ppc. Yaya I know it's a pipedream and finding sasquatch mounted on a unicorn is more reasonable to beleive in but with out dreams and aspirations the world would be pretty bland.

Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7799388
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I am in total agreement with Boco on this. This gun thing from a true Canadian stand point is gonna be just like he said, a complete non compliance, "it just ain't gonna happen"

These wanna be Canadians that listen to the US news, and U tube specialists that follow U tube for their facts will never know the real facts.

You have a true Canadian to know the truth,


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You have to be a true Canadian to know the truth, Isn't that what the truckers who had they bank accounts shut down said?

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Re: Canadians, where does gun control bill C-21 stand [Re: woodtick] #7799412
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Originally Posted by woodtick
I am in total agreement with Boco on this. This gun thing from a true Canadian stand point is gonna be just like he said, a complete non compliance, "it just ain't gonna happen"

These wanna be Canadians that listen to the US news, and U tube specialists that follow U tube for their facts will never know the real facts.

You have a true Canadian to know the truth,


Lol. CBC supporter by chance?
And I think you are wrong. You go to any hunting/gun website and many are asking how much they'll get for their norinco AR. If they weren't going to comply, why would they care?

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They wanna get rid of their Norinco ARs hahaha

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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
They wanna get rid of their Norinco ARs hahaha


The dummies will sell their $250 Chinese junk back to feds and more than likely quadruple their money but the dummies don't understand the principle of it nor do they understand that it is tax dollars (their money and mine) paying for it. They scary thing is that there is a record of who has these guns which potentially could and would give the rcmp the power to kick in your door for no other reason then having a gun that is on the banned list.

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Only criminals have been able too buy/sell/transfer a handgun since October

Seems too me it’s happening,,,,,

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