Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
[Re: Keystonekiller]
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For both of them you need multiple trees for pollenizers. Just something to keep in mind.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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Meader persimmon supposedly is. Its an Illinois selection of our native. I'd still plant several to ensure. I got at least one male.
Paws Paws are pollinated by flies. Hanging roadkill around them helps draw in flies. Or if you have the time, or just make the time, hand pollinate them. I would go with a grafted variety of pawpaw(grafted starts fruiting a few years earlier than non).
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
[Re: Keystonekiller]
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01/25/23 10:28 PM
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Warrior, I wonder if hanging roadkill would do double duty by keeping porch pirates and the like away?
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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Pawpaws sometimes self-pollinate a little. They all have perfect flowers (male and female parts in each flower), but the female parts do not mature at the same time as the male parts do, preventing self-pollination. Don't count an a sprout coming up from under your tree to be of any help, as it is a root sucker which means that it will be the same tree. You need a tree which comes from seed to get pollination. It can be a seed from your current tree as it will have been pollinated from another tree making it genetically different and might carry the genes for a differing flower maturation rate than your current tree. When you find a natural grove of hundreds pawpaw trees, you can bet money that patch is just one tree, connected by roots. The next grove over will be from a different seed and they will likely be the source of pollination. Didn't know that about paw paws. Avocados are similar.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
[Re: Keystonekiller]
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Same thing true for hazelnuts.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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I have single wild stock Paw Paws that are LOADED every year.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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I'm in PA as well. Zone 6a - 5b.
I've bought persimmons.......... I've grown them from seed. I have the lousiest time getting them to establish. It seems I may have a couple that are gonna go ahead and grow now. But I'm not positive. Paw Paws are even worse.
I've read what I can about optimal soil and sunlight conditions and tried to adhere to those guidelines. But, I'm still banging my head against the wall, it seems.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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I have single wild stock Paw Paws that are LOADED every year. Would it be that you've got other paw paws within a fly's range?
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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I have single wild stock Paw Paws that are LOADED every year. Would it be that you've got other paw paws within a fly's range? That's my bet.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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This year I planted persimmon & all 5 are doing well. Next year my plan is to plant 3 or 4 pawpaws, probably a couple taytwo pawpaw & 1 or 2 sunflower pawpaw. It's really hard to find pawpaw rated for zone 4. I may have found my source for next year: www.elmoreroots.com out of Vermont.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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For both of them you need multiple trees for pollenizers. Just something to keep in mind. My Paw Paw is a self pollinating wild Ozark stock I transplanted. Got a nice crop this year. Want some seeds? Didn't do so well on the Persimmons.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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Nate, somewhere in your area there's another paw paw tree.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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Paw paw are annoying in a yard. They spread by roots. Persimmon is a better yard tree
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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Pawpaw bread, yummy!!
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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Paw paw are annoying in a yard. They spread by roots. .. I supppse they could take over
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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If you are wanting either tree in your orchard for human consumption - We have tons of paw paws and wild persimmons and I dont prefer to eat either........I'd pass and just have another apple. I bet they'd be good blended in a fruit smoothie
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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For both of them you need multiple trees for pollenizers. Just something to keep in mind. My Paw Paw is a self pollinating wild Ozark stock I transplanted. Got a nice crop this year. Want some seeds? Didn't do so well on the Persimmons. I would love some seeds from the self pollinating paw paw tree. Shoot me a PM with price, I would appreciate it.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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For both of them you need multiple trees for pollenizers. Just something to keep in mind. My Paw Paw is a self pollinating wild Ozark stock I transplanted. Got a nice crop this year. Want some seeds? Didn't do so well on the Persimmons. I bet there is another 1 in the area that you aren't aware of.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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The topic is persimmon or pawpaw..i say plant both I've done a ton of research to find ones that will work in my zone (4, near zone 5).
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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If you are wanting either tree in your orchard for human consumption - We have tons of paw paws and wild persimmons and I dont prefer to eat either........I'd pass and just have another apple. I bet they'd be good blended in a fruit smoothie You can use ripe persimmon pulp in recipes that use pumpkin. Love persimmon bread. They grow wild all over here.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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Don't screw around, get both! As to multiple Paw Paws for pollination, Mine is a "Lone Ranger and Is loaded most every year.
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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This year I planted persimmon & all 5 are doing well. Next year my plan is to plant 3 or 4 pawpaws, probably a couple taytwo pawpaw & 1 or 2 sunflower pawpaw. It's really hard to find pawpaw rated for zone 4. I may have found my source for next year: www.elmoreroots.com out of Vermont. Which persimmons are cold 4 rated???
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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This year I planted persimmon & all 5 are doing well. Next year my plan is to plant 3 or 4 pawpaws, probably a couple taytwo pawpaw & 1 or 2 sunflower pawpaw. It's really hard to find pawpaw rated for zone 4. I may have found my source for next year: www.elmoreroots.com out of Vermont. Which persimmons are cold 4 rated??? The ones from Frank's Fox River Valley Nursery of eastern Wi.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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I have single wild stock Paw Paws that are LOADED every year. Would it be that you've got other paw paws within a fly's range? No.
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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Does a good crop of pawpaw risk breaking the branches from the weight of the fruit? They seem like large fruit.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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The wood IS very brittle, but I've never had a branch break from the weight of the fruit, It's also growing under 2 very large Walnut trees. Have over a doz little ones popping up, root sprouts I think.
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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The wood IS very brittle, but I've never had a branch break from the weight of the fruit, That's good to know. The fruit was real heavy is what I had guessed.
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Re: Persimmon or paw paw tree
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both are delicious if you like stuff that is sweet
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