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More beaver news. #7762759
01/04/23 06:43 PM
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Re: More beaver news. [Re: Monster Toms] #7762898
01/04/23 09:13 PM
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I'm not sure the Seward Peninsula is in the Arctic? confused


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Re: More beaver news. [Re: Monster Toms] #7762995
01/04/23 11:21 PM
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That information is all true. There was a scientific study done last summer with a crew doing aerial surveys with a turbine dc-3. I visited with the scientist on a couple refueling stops they made here and they told me what they were seeing. The beaver have moved in and populated everywhere. Lakes popping up where creeks use to flow freely. They found lodges up against the mountains where it should be uninhabitable for beavers to survive. Wish they were more accessible so we could harvest more. Lakes are hard to get to with the conditions we’ve been having the last few years. Plenty of rain.


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Re: More beaver news. [Re: Monster Toms] #7763001
01/04/23 11:32 PM
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No the sky is not falling what's old is new - again - and so it goes lol

https://www.rcinet.ca/eye-on-the-ar...aleontology-diet-research-yukon-ice-age/


If a modern beaver can fell big trees, dam rivers and essentially create its own habitat — imagine what a two-metre-tall giant beaver with 15-centimetre incisors could have done?
Yukon (northwestern Canada) paleontologist Grant Zazula suggests the difference might be like comparing “a chainsaw and an industrial logging operation.”

But new research suggests the giant beaver didn’t actually do much logging — and that may be why it didn’t survive beyond the last ice age.

“We actually found out that the giant beavers were eating a diet of aquatic plants. So we didn’t find any evidence that they were actually cutting down and eating trees,” said Tessa Plint, co-author of the new study from Western University, published in the journal Scientific Reports.


The researchers say giant beavers thrived in wetlands where they mostly ate aquatic plants. (Western University)
“They weren’t ecosystem engineers the same way that modern beavers are.”

The researchers studied giant beaver bones and teeth found near Old Crow, Yukon, in the 1970s.
Analysing the isotopic signatures of the fossils helped them determine what the animals ate.

It turns out that the massive rodent, which could weigh more than 100 kilograms, mostly ate aquatic plants — and so was dependant on wetland habitat.

“And that made them very, very susceptible to climate change, especially as the climate got warmer and drier towards the end of the last ice age,”
Plint said.


Beavers versus Bieber. Giant beavers could be up to 6 feet tall, and weigh more than 100 kilograms. (Western University)
In other words, as wetlands dried up, giant beavers ran out of food. They once ranged over much of North America but were extinct by about 10,000 years ago.

“They disappeared because there was no more pond weeds for them to eat,” said Zazula.

Zazula says the new research helps add detail to what happened in Yukon during the last ice age, when there were periods of climate cooling and warming, and giant beavers, giant sloths and mastodons were eventually replaced by wooly mammoths, horses and bison.

Plint agrees, calling her research “another piece of the puzzle” in making sense of the ice age megafauna extinction.


A giant beaver skeleton at the Canadian Museum of Nature. (Canadian Museum of Nature)
She also suggests that modern beavers may have survived and thrived because they were better able to adapt compared to their larger cousins.

“We all know the modern beaver can dam up the river to build its own nice little pond to live in. And that’s pretty handy when wetlands are starting to dry up and they’re in short supply. So I think it probably did give it a bit of an advantage,” Plint said.


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Re: More beaver news. [Re: Monster Toms] #7763073
01/05/23 02:54 AM
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Beavers change habitat to fit their needs. So when a place that has no beavers all of a sudden has a population take hold, one will notice a dramatic chance in the local small creeks that will become flooded swamps and ponds so they can easily access the available food source and deep enough to survive them being froze out.

Here we had a small population of beaver and a limit of 25 per season 40 years ago and now we have no closed season, no limit and beaver coming out our ears. They changed the country big time, flooded swamps made lakes, dammed up whitefish streams and runs, blackfish creeks, cut allot of the willow and cottonwoods, (we dont have many to spare) I was horrified to see them fell my favorite lynx trapping groves.

But then the moose did the same and from an almost zero population we now have a very healthy population of both. So it just seems like another one of mother nature's cycles and one day both will be wiped out again and the process will start all over again just like the lynx and the hare's cycle. The moose changed the habitat too.


Re: More beaver news. [Re: Monster Toms] #7763141
01/05/23 07:49 AM
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It wasn't too long ago that we were being preached to about how wonderful both fire and beavers were....!

Reminds me that just a few years ago we were told to burn wood (its a renewable resource) instead of fuel oil (fossil fuel.) Now in Fairbanks you are told NOT to burn wood because (who knew?) it makes smoke and creates air pollution!

Make up your minds, you greenie idiots! I guess you just have to have a "crisis" situation for everything!

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Re: More beaver news. [Re: yukonjeff] #7763399
01/05/23 01:27 PM
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Spot on YJ.
Some cycles are long enough compared to a human lifespan to not be readily observable unless documented over time or passed down as traditional knowledge by elders.
People that have been on the land on a regular basis harvesting for 50+ years will recognize some longer term cycles.

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Re: More beaver news. [Re: yukonjeff] #7765962
01/08/23 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
Beavers change habitat to fit their needs. So when a place that has no beavers all of a sudden has a population take hold, one will notice a dramatic chance in the local small creeks that will become flooded swamps and ponds so they can easily access the available food source and deep enough to survive them being froze out.

Here we had a small population of beaver and a limit of 25 per season 40 years ago and now we have no closed season, no limit and beaver coming out our ears. They changed the country big time, flooded swamps made lakes, dammed up whitefish streams and runs, blackfish creeks, cut allot of the willow and cottonwoods, (we dont have many to spare) I was horrified to see them fell my favorite lynx trapping groves.

But then the moose did the same and from an almost zero population we now have a very healthy population of both. So it just seems like another one of mother nature's cycles and one day both will be wiped out again and the process will start all over again just like the lynx and the hare's cycle. The moose changed the habitat too.



When I was in your neck of the woods several years ago I was impressed with what some moose could do to a large stand of willows.


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Re: More beaver news. [Re: Monster Toms] #7766375
01/08/23 06:43 PM
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I thought the increase in beaver where I trap was due to low fur prices.
In the 1950s and 60's they would have blamed this on the Commies. Now we blame everything on global Warming.
I don't think the article even mentioned the low price of beaver skins.

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