Re: What is a step down dirthole good for?
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12/02/22 09:05 AM
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Eagleye, I started doing this after catching a bobcat and then remade the set as it was. A coyote came through and circled, but wouldn’t commit. I went back and added a set on either side like what’s in the pics and got her 4 days later when it came back through. Again according to the camera, she didn’t fully commit, but stepped exactly where I wanted her to when circling. Since then I’ve just started putting 2 like in the pics and it’s worked for me. With the “mounds” on either side of the trench you can really guide where you want them to step a lot easier because they’re more focused on the hole itself. I'm a slow learner- I first saw the mound track and thought... he'll be back- he returned and stepped in the same spot, making a figure 8 track- put a trap on that spot and hooked up 2 days later.
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Re: What is a step down dirthole good for?
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12/02/22 09:40 AM
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Gentlemen, this is just for the sake of discussion, not meant to say anybody is doing this or that the wrong way
If it takes you three traps at one set to get him to step where he needs to, is that set really the set you should be making?
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Re: What is a step down dirthole good for?
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12/02/22 09:41 AM
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Gentlemen, this is just for the sake of discussion, not meant to say anybody is doing this or that the wrong way
If it takes you three traps at one set to get him to step where he needs to, is that set really the set you should be making? I only set one- left mound side
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Re: What is a step down dirthole good for?
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12/02/22 09:42 AM
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I only set one- left mound side Then why make it a step down style trench in the first place? Is the digging of the trench/step down necessary just to not put a trap there?
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Re: What is a step down dirthole good for?
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12/02/22 10:32 AM
12/02/22 10:32 AM
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I usually set two at a step down set. Both on drags to preserve the set as much as possible. Big rains, and they happen here often in the winter are the devil on this set. But of the ones I use, I've caught more on this than a regular dirt hole. The key is to not make it too tight.
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Re: What is a step down dirthole good for?
[Re: coondagger2]
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12/02/22 11:49 AM
12/02/22 11:49 AM
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Yes sir
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My 2 cents based of my situation. Really the big advantage and only reason I use a step down (and to me there's a difference in a step down vs a trench set) is foot placement. For me if I have to set out of the step down or use multiple traps I just as well be using a flat set as it no longer has an advantage. I'm not big on using visual to help catch coyotes as it seems to discourage just as many as it attracts. I want to work their nose and trust in being on location. My step down is about 6 inches deep at the hole end with hole going back as horizontal as I can get it in a vertical face and back of step down just far enough back to be were the coyote will put his foot when he puts his nose up to hole. Trap about 3" deep when covered and just wide enough to bed trap. Vertical sides as I can get all around. No other guiding or backing other than the step down it's self. Set is probably 12 to 14 inches long 6 to 7 inches wide, 6 inches deep at hole end and 3 inches at trap. It's critical to use a bait and or lure the coyotes want to get to in this set.Some coyotes won't step in this and for them I'll use another set if I want or need to catch them. I like them to only have to make the last step into the step down. To me a trench set has a longer lead in and they have to take multiple steps into it to get to trap which seems to discourage more here than what my step down does. This is what seems to work best for me here. If I'm fighting precipitation there's other sets that work better for me.
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Re: What is a step down dirthole good for?
[Re: coondagger2]
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12/02/22 12:01 PM
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Good post yes sir. I agree with you that I would rather use another set if the set requires multiple traps. I think my odds are greater with 3 singular sets than one set with 3 traps, but that is a whole different can of worms
I have the same feelings as you about the "visual" aspect. Digging the big heaping piles of fresh dirt is asking to catch every coon and possum around in my neck of the woods and send the coyotes packing. 90% of the places I trap are heavily called and night hunted. I do much better with more natural blended sets. The set in the picture ended up that way because we had rain come through and it was so muddy I dug it out when doing the remake
Your version sounds like something that would work much better for me here, the only reason I don't do it more often is soil conditions. Most of the time I could use a chisel to chip my trap beds out of the rock and be more effective. When trapping around tilled fields or softer ground I will definitely keep it in mind
I think that paired with a subtle flat set nearby will catch dang near anything passing by
Do you mound the excavated dirt at the opposing end of your step down from your dirt hole or do you toss it? Blend or no blend? For my coyotes I think I will do better tossing the dirt and lightly blending the set with nearby grass, soybean duff, etc
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Re: What is a step down dirthole good for?
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12/02/22 12:26 PM
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Yes sir
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No blending on this set as this set represents some kind of digging and the coyote is expecting bare dirt and I usually make them on remakes so everything is disturbed around it anyway. I'll generally leave a handful of dirt at opposite end from baited hole that looks like a little pile of dirt left from an animal digging. Trap is bedded level with a slope going down from trap bed to bait hole. Sometimes the set will end up being deeper than 3 and 6. I've got a double dirt hole set that's a modification of a set I saw in one of Dobbins books that I like too. It's similar to some other people's double dirt holes but a little different. It's a little more weather resistant and really does a good job of controlling foot placement and taking advantage of a coyote working the hole from a 45 and approaching from either side. When I get to trapping I'll take to pics and try to explain the set and how/why it works. Maybe a video.
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Re: What is a step down dirthole good for?
[Re: coondagger2]
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12/02/22 12:32 PM
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Good deal. Won't be a set I will make much but I can see where it has its place. Rain forecasted here in 5 out of the next 8 days. Better hold off for now This is the standard dirthole I make most of the time. Caught two coyotes and a fox in this one
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