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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Bear Tracker] #7679807
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
X2 on all above. What blows my mind is how red oak has become the least desirable wood around here.

Yes. Finding a logger for red oak is tough.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7685635
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Those issues are part of why I'm planting white oak acorns to diversify my property.

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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: AJE] #7685643
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Originally Posted by AJE
Those issues are part of why I'm planting white oak acorns to diversify my property.


Certainly a good idea to have a mixture.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Bear Tracker] #7685744
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
X2 on all above. What blows my mind is how red oak has become the least desirable wood around here.


Market trends change, right now seems all red colored hardwoods are out of style, red oak, Black Cherry and white wood is in style like hard and soft maple.. But it’s nothing new, back in the late 60’s it was the same with red oak and cherry. Then in the early 70’s you couldn’t give Hard Maple logs away, and today they are one of the hottest species out there .

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Squash] #7685770
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Originally Posted by Squash
Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
X2 on all above. What blows my mind is how red oak has become the least desirable wood around here.


Market trends change, right now seems all red colored hardwoods are out of style, red oak, Black Cherry and white wood is in style like hard and soft maple.. But it’s nothing new, back in the late 60’s it was the same with red oak and cherry. Then in the early 70’s you couldn’t give Hard Maple logs away, and today they are one of the hottest species out there .




Thank you for the update.


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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: BigBob] #7685879
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Originally Posted by BigBob
Lot's of trees stressed this year from the drought and heat. USFS say's if a tree you want seems to have died, give it 7 years of dorrmancy,.it might come back, unless the bark is sloughing off, then forget it.


Next March, scratch the bark on a branch. If it’s green underneath, it’s alive. If it’s brown, it’s dead. Live trees have buds for spring.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7685886
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It’s important to plant different trees species! I see a lot of dead ash trees in Minnesota.

Locust trees are doing well in Montana as are linden trees. There are several varieties of American Elm that are resistant to Dutch Elm disease and grow 4ft a year. Prairie Expedition is one variety.

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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7685918
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a forester told me that Red variety of oaks thin themselves about every 100 years. there is also a canker that is affecting some of them, you'll see the bark come off in a small place and the sapwood is black, turns white when the tree dies. one thing for certain, you see the canker on the tree it will die! now the chestnut oaks are dying in numbers here. no canker, they are just dying.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7686217
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About 10 years ago, something was taking out a bunch of white oaks very similar to what is happening now to red oaks.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: 52Carl] #7686289
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
About 10 years ago, something was taking out a bunch of white oaks very similar to what is happening now to red oaks.

Bur Oak blight works them fairly hard here, not as bad as wilt in the Reds though.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7691017
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I hadn't heard of bur oak blight.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7696828
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Interesting oak article. Very much science based. I'm not sure how accurate this Ohio article is to other states though

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...round-ohio-fall-autumn-2022/69574443007/

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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7882924
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Occasionally I see people cutting oak trees during oak wilt season and I shake my head wondering what they are thinking

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7882940
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The heart wood of Red Oak tends to rot out leaving a hollow tree, that's why loggers shy away.


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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7882968
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Never heard of gypsy moth killing oak . Now ash trees! They are dead and falling by the thousands around here .
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7900861
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Several years ago the state started advertising that oak wilt season ends 7/15, but that is too early in my opinion. I was at a forestry seminar last month and the Federal forester happened to mention in his presentation that the guideline should be later than July 15th

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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7900928
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Wasps are killing them down here or at least that’s what my logger cousin said

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: AJE] #7900934
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Originally Posted by AJE
Several years ago the state started advertising that oak wilt season ends 7/15, but that is too early in my opinion. I was at a forestry seminar last month and the Federal forester happened to mention in his presentation that the guideline should be later than July 15th

Our company has 4 seperate logging crews, we move to private sales April 15 to July 15 the private lands cut during the restricted time seem to be way ahead in regeneration the following couple years. Quite over the oak wilt, to far advanced. The young dense growth seems to be doing well. The oak were losing for the most part are old declining trees left from cuts 40 years ago.


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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: jbyrd63] #7900935
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Never heard of gypsy moth killing oak . Now ash trees! They are dead and falling by the thousands around here .
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They weaken old declining trees. The oaks were falling and dying in a few years anyway. Still not good. I have Ash regeneration in my bottom land. Most new Ash are 2 to 6 inch diameter. But I suspect the Emarald Ash borers will return....


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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: BigBob] #7900936
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Originally Posted by BigBob
The heart wood of Red Oak tends to rot out leaving a hollow tree, that's why loggers shy away.

Our true Red Oak are good quality. The Black Oak is often confused with Red Oak, it is often hollow, Black Oak is a scrubby brushy tree here, Red Oak are mostly clean with a few good logs before branches. Blacks make great firewood though.


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