What’s killing all the red oak?
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Last couple years and seems worse this year noticing a lot of rock oak and some red oak dying, gypsy moth doesn’t seem that bad and I didn’t think the lantern fly bothered with oak?
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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I might add I’m in central Pa.
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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Lot's of trees stressed this year from the drought and heat. USFS say's if a tree you want seems to have died, give it 7 years of dorrmancy,.it might come back, unless the bark is sloughing off, then forget it.
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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Between wilt and Gypsy moths, I've lost well over 100 big oaks over last 2 to 4 years. I leave them stand dead now, they dry and the bark falls off. When the wind takes one down I cut it up for some great firewood. White oaks are doing ok so far. My upland forest understory has thickened up without the shade of the big oaks. I have seen more wild game with the lower browse.
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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I would guess we have lost well over 100 as well, not saying we don’t have any gypsy moth but it is nothing like the late 80’s, i believe the wilt fungus probably is to blame, tried keeping up cutting but looks like a losing battle this year.
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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Lot's of trees stressed this year from the drought and heat. USFS say's if a tree you want seems to have died, give it 7 years of dorrmancy,.it might come back, unless the bark is sloughing off, then forget it. Interesting.
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Lot's of trees stressed this year from the drought and heat. USFS say's if a tree you want seems to have died, give it 7 years of dorrmancy,.it might come back, unless the bark is sloughing off, then forget it. Interesting. Don't do this if the tree is in striking distance of anything of value, telling customers we now need a 150 ton crane to remove their trees and the telling them the cost that goes with it is pretty shocking to most.
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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This was the second summer with gypsy moths, and I mean bad. trees leafed twice both years but no rain really hurt this past summer. Now I notice around the yard, the maples have bore hole at the bases, about a foot off the ground.
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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Around here the govt treats for gypsy moths
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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Between all the tree diseases, invasives, & unsustainable land devolopment, I would think lumber/paper mills must be nervous about their future
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Between all the tree diseases, invasives, & unsustainable land devolopment, I would think lumber/paper mills must be nervous about their future I would be more worried about weird government regulations than the problems you came up with. Still plenty of hardwoods where I live. Another reason I am not worried about your reasons is that the local sawmills don't pay very well. We can make more money hauling scrap metal than logs. LOL.
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X2 on all above. What blows my mind is how red oak has become the least desirable wood around here. Yes. Finding a logger for red oak is tough.
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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Those issues are part of why I'm planting white oak acorns to diversify my property.
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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Those issues are part of why I'm planting white oak acorns to diversify my property. Certainly a good idea to have a mixture.
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X2 on all above. What blows my mind is how red oak has become the least desirable wood around here. Market trends change, right now seems all red colored hardwoods are out of style, red oak, Black Cherry and white wood is in style like hard and soft maple.. But it’s nothing new, back in the late 60’s it was the same with red oak and cherry. Then in the early 70’s you couldn’t give Hard Maple logs away, and today they are one of the hottest species out there .
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X2 on all above. What blows my mind is how red oak has become the least desirable wood around here. Market trends change, right now seems all red colored hardwoods are out of style, red oak, Black Cherry and white wood is in style like hard and soft maple.. But it’s nothing new, back in the late 60’s it was the same with red oak and cherry. Then in the early 70’s you couldn’t give Hard Maple logs away, and today they are one of the hottest species out there . Thank you for the update.
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Lot's of trees stressed this year from the drought and heat. USFS say's if a tree you want seems to have died, give it 7 years of dorrmancy,.it might come back, unless the bark is sloughing off, then forget it. Next March, scratch the bark on a branch. If it’s green underneath, it’s alive. If it’s brown, it’s dead. Live trees have buds for spring.
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It’s important to plant different trees species! I see a lot of dead ash trees in Minnesota.
Locust trees are doing well in Montana as are linden trees. There are several varieties of American Elm that are resistant to Dutch Elm disease and grow 4ft a year. Prairie Expedition is one variety.
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About 10 years ago, something was taking out a bunch of white oaks very similar to what is happening now to red oaks. Bur Oak blight works them fairly hard here, not as bad as wilt in the Reds though.
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The heart wood of Red Oak tends to rot out leaving a hollow tree, that's why loggers shy away.
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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Several years ago the state started advertising that oak wilt season ends 7/15, but that is too early in my opinion. I was at a forestry seminar last month and the Federal forester happened to mention in his presentation that the guideline should be later than July 15th
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Several years ago the state started advertising that oak wilt season ends 7/15, but that is too early in my opinion. I was at a forestry seminar last month and the Federal forester happened to mention in his presentation that the guideline should be later than July 15th Our company has 4 seperate logging crews, we move to private sales April 15 to July 15 the private lands cut during the restricted time seem to be way ahead in regeneration the following couple years. Quite over the oak wilt, to far advanced. The young dense growth seems to be doing well. The oak were losing for the most part are old declining trees left from cuts 40 years ago.
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Never heard of gypsy moth killing oak . Now ash trees! They are dead and falling by the thousands around here . They weaken old declining trees. The oaks were falling and dying in a few years anyway. Still not good. I have Ash regeneration in my bottom land. Most new Ash are 2 to 6 inch diameter. But I suspect the Emarald Ash borers will return....
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The heart wood of Red Oak tends to rot out leaving a hollow tree, that's why loggers shy away. Our true Red Oak are good quality. The Black Oak is often confused with Red Oak, it is often hollow, Black Oak is a scrubby brushy tree here, Red Oak are mostly clean with a few good logs before branches. Blacks make great firewood though.
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X2 on all above. What blows my mind is how red oak has become the least desirable wood around here. Market trends change, right now seems all red colored hardwoods are out of style, red oak, Black Cherry and white wood is in style like hard and soft maple.. But it’s nothing new, back in the late 60’s it was the same with red oak and cherry. Then in the early 70’s you couldn’t give Hard Maple logs away, and today they are one of the hottest species out there . I will second the market trend. Were letting paid for sales stand till market improves or we get close to cut deadline. Still paying north of $150 cord for red pine post wood.
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We're seeing a lot of Oak Wilt in Wisconsin With all the warm weather this winter, it could be an early start to the oak wilt season
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak?
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Around here the mature locusts are taking a beating.
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Guessing this is what is killing the red oak around here. I doubt that Those big grubs are future June bugs They get under rolls of hay down here, under rotten logs, just out in the yard in the dirt, etc Our red oaks (and all trees) took a beating from the big freeze in 2022 and then dry conditions. Whatever it is does not seem to affect sweetgum, elm, hackberry etc, basically anything I wouldn't care if it was wiped out thrives
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Speaking of oak I planted a bunch of bur oak tonight. I have too many Red Oak and not enough members of the White Oak family on my property.
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