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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674723
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They do not care one little bit about saving the environment because
1. They don't care any way. They would be dead long before the "crash" would occur.
2. They know that the save the environment thing is total BS any way.
3. They want to make as much money off of as many gullible people as possible as fast as possible.

Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674725
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^^^^^
Of course if you pay just a little attention, and connect the dots, it's pretty obvious that their goal is control of the masses; movement, speech, thought, etc..


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674726
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It would take more energy to turn the alternator then the alternator can create. You would also lose some in friction, heat lose, and in charging the battery.


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: waggler] #7674730
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Originally Posted by waggler
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Of course if you pay just a little attention, and connect the dots, it's pretty obvious that their goal is control of the masses; movement, speech, thought, etc..

Right. It's all about government control.


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674733
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If i recall correctly all modern trains are electric powered by diesel generators. In most of the world there electric via overhead power cables. Electric transportations is great with fathoms of torque. The problem lies in how to store and deliver that energy. In the western world we went with the easier faster option of making the user to find and pay the costs instead of a governing body.

Ketchup or catsup, were still using energy to move stuff.

Would you like to upgrade your ev truck with a extended range option? It shows up with a 45kw generator in the bed.


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Trapper7] #7674748
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by white17
I think the disconnect is that a lot of people don't understand that batteries STORE energy. They produce nothing.
The alternator can produce energy but requires more energy INPUT than it can OUTPUT

Perfect explanation.

I will never understand why we don't just move on to using propane as all our city buses do here? In the long run they would be less harmful to the environment than the electric cars when you consider the harmful effects to the environment to produce EVs. There are numerous reports showing how little negativity the propane-powered vehicles cause the environment compared to gasoline-powered vehicles. They're certainly more practical that EVs. That is if the real goal is to save the environment.

Propane or LNG are still "fossil fuels". They want all fossil fuel use eliminated.

Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674756
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I read today that China started experimenting with making roads that will charge cars wireless. Probably similar to the phone chargers. It will probably cost billions in diesel fuel to make the roads.

Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Trapper7] #7674761
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by white17
I think the disconnect is that a lot of people don't understand that batteries STORE energy. They produce nothing.
The alternator can produce energy but requires more energy INPUT than it can OUTPUT

Perfect explanation.

I will never understand why we don't just move on to using propane as all our city buses do here? In the long run they would be less harmful to the environment than the electric cars when you consider the harmful effects to the environment to produce EVs. There are numerous reports showing how little negativity the propane-powered vehicles cause the environment compared to gasoline-powered vehicles. They're certainly more practical that EVs. That is if the real goal is to save the environment.

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In the theoretical process known as stoichiometric combustion, none of the original fuel remains, so stoichiometric combustion of propane with air creates not only water, or H2O, but also carbon dioxide, C2O2, as well as pure nitrogen, N2, and oxygen, O2."

Carbon Dioxide is the enemy of " they". You know," them".

Most of the electric run passenger trains in Europe are owned by their governments and are money losers.

"EU rail subsidies amounted to €73 billion in 2005.[35] Subsidies vary widely from country to country in both size and how they are distributed, with some countries giving direct grants to the infrastructure provider and some giving subsidies to train operating companies, often through public service obligations. In general long-distance trains are not subsidized."

Sounds about like EV's

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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674791
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[/quote]Propane or LNG are still "fossil fuels". They want all fossil fuel use eliminated. [/quote]
They don't care about fossil fuels being eliminated until they make the vehicles that use the most fuel ev. Meaning I'll believe it when airplanes, helos, and military vechiles are elec!


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674807
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So is a lithium battery recyclable or just disposable?
I have enough trouble getting rid of old tires let alone a hazardous battery.


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Gary Benson] #7674814
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
So is a lithium battery recyclable or just disposable?
I have enough trouble getting rid of old tires let alone a hazardous battery.

I think eventually they'll just explode!


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674838
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Rogers Ark. airport doesn't want Chevy Volts in their parking garage. Apparently there was a pwobwem. laugh

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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: 1lessdog] #7674934
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Originally Posted by EdP
Entropy. It's not what it used to be.



shocked lol laugh

Originally Posted by 1lessdog
I have said the same thing, If they would have a small tire type object riding against the car tires turning the alternator and you had one on each tire charging the batteries. You may still have to charge the batteries but it would help.

People need to think outside the box. I would think a couple of smart engineers and a couple of machinist they could come up with some thing.


Only works if your driving down hill or decelerating. Question is, how did you get to the top of the hill to gain all that potential energy?


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674946
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By burning energy perhaps?


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674958
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Looking at some numbers...the most efficient EV currently uses just over .25 kW/h to go one mile. It takes around 90 kW hours to charge a tesla 3 to full.

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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7674976
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Originally Posted by Flicker Shad
Why can't they have an alternator like our gas cars to keep the batteries charged. No need for charging stations. I think it's all bs to tax us more.

I think it is a great idea. Why don't you push it through to development?


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675064
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It's called regenerative braking. The energy from the vehicle's momentum is used to turn the electric motor, which acts like an alternator. The three phase A/C generated is then converted to DC by the invertor module,and returned to the battery. It works well, and is pretty simple. Most of the time in an electric or hybrid when you step on the brake pedal, the hydraulic brakes aren't even activated, it's just regenerative braking slowing you down. The hydraulic brakes don't come into play until you're almost at a stop or during panic braking.

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Technology is pretty amazing. I do see a place for EVs in areas where people aren't driving long distances like in the cities. Now everyone will have to put in a generator to charge them.


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The EV chargers in the Walmart parking lot in North Platte NE have a nice diesel generator right behind them inside a chain link fence. laugh


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