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New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds #7570031
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So the Army is going to scrap the M4/M16 in favor of a Sig Sauer made rifle.

So what are the odds that the now obsolete rifles will be made available for purchase by the people who have already paid for them (tax payers)?


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570034
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Hmmm. We'll see soon enough


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570037
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0% chance, those are the scary “assault rifles”. If the govt handed those out, they would not be able to try and just bankrupt private manufacturers. Of course they have shown that they are more than willing to bankrupt themselves, I guess who knows…..


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570038
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if you pay attention they basically built a New DMR rifle Designated marksman rifle then said it is the new rifle then only ordered enough to supply DMRs

it is a .277 short action 80Kpsi cartride
basically it is almost a 270 win but in a short action with a 16 inch barrel and suppressor
it is paired with a smart optic and the total package without ammo is around 12 pounds

I see this being for active combat troops and everyone in a support position is going to be running a M4 variant probably 14.5 inch barrels

this is better answering the how do we keep ahead on long contact distances while most of our possible opponents are running 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 how do we outrange them


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570039
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Not a chance. Best case is as parts kits minus key fire control parts and the low shelf third hole lower.

However, my reading of 2A says that would be BS and we have not only the right but obligation to be armed with arms suitable for military operations.


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570040
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Go to the "Civilian marksmanship program" website, then go to the sales program.

Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: wy.wolfer] #7570127
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Go to the "Civilian marksmanship program" website, then go to the sales program.

not much AR related there which is almost a little surprising because you know more than half of service rifle competitors are running AR platform rifles
some 223 77gr match ammo possibly a rear sight elevation wheel

no barrels or furniture

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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570133
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They will probably use the old hardware to arm our allies such as the Taliban or Isis.

Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570288
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The early ARs, M16 and A1 are now old enough to qualify as curio and relic.


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570294
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Don't forget those are all full auto, likely they'll be sent to some "Ally", like maybe the Ukraine.


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570298
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Yup, that's why I said if they ever do hit the civilian market it'll be as stripped parts kits minus the fun switch parts.


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570321
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Originally Posted by zallen
So the Army is going to scrap the M4/M16 in favor of a Sig Sauer made rifle.

So what are the odds that the now obsolete rifles will be made available for purchase by the people who have already paid for them (tax payers)?

U think u are going be able buy fully auto assault rifle ? An what use it for ? U have have lot $$$$, all it good for is kinda stuff u hear news, cartels or drug gangs big city like Chicago be interested

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Not true!


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: BigBob] #7570344
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Originally Posted by BigBob
Don't forget those are all full auto, likely they'll be sent to some "Ally", like maybe the Ukraine.

they have not been full auto for a while, just 3 round burst

Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: zallen] #7570367
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Will never happen. The Demonrats will throw such a fit they will all be melted down before it can happen.


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Re: New Army Rifle - So What Are The Odds [Re: Ridge Runner1960] #7570369
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
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Don't forget those are all full auto, likely they'll be sent to some "Ally", like maybe the Ukraine.

they have not been full auto for a while, just 3 round burst


That's still full auto, under the law, more than one round per trigger pull is full auto.


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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
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Don't forget those are all full auto, likely they'll be sent to some "Ally", like maybe the Ukraine.

they have not been full auto for a while, just 3 round burst


they realized how stupid 3 round burst was and took the extra parts out and went back to a plane auto sear


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sell the uppers and BCG only the lower is a MG machine gun

they sell parts kits all the time of de-milled MG

sell them to a company who bids the highest , let them destroy the lowers and sell with new semi auto lowers.

once an MG always an MG only applies to the receiver.


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Originally Posted by coonman220
Originally Posted by zallen
So the Army is going to scrap the M4/M16 in favor of a Sig Sauer made rifle.

So what are the odds that the now obsolete rifles will be made available for purchase by the people who have already paid for them (tax payers)?

U think u are going be able buy fully auto assault rifle ? An what use it for ? U have have lot $$$$, all it good for is kinda stuff u hear news, cartels or drug gangs big city like Chicago be interested


you can buy a full auto , as long as it was made and registered before 1986 and yes they are big money last I looked a M16 lower not a complete rifle was 10K you need to fill out a form 4 , pay your 200 dollar tax and wait your turn.

if you are saying who needs an AR , frankly just about everyone. every time any one insinuates one is not needed double down and buy 2


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IMO M16's will still be used in non combat situations.

While the M16 was being issued in Viet Nam, WWII M14's were still used for Basic Combat Training. Reserves and NG were even using WWI M1's.


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