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Police shoot man on scooter? #7421342
12/03/21 08:57 PM
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Tucson Officer Ryan Remington was confronting Richard Lee Richards over suspected shoplifting and shot him from behind as he entered a Lowe's store. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...officer-fired-man-wheelchair/8819769002/

Hope it hasn't been posted and removed already? If so please delete.. Just curious what you folks think about it? I've seen responses on other places saying justified....everything from could be faking the disability, to he was within 20' of the store worker attacking with a knife, to what if he was going toward your child. Come on man. No way was deadly force called for IMO. Are police allowed to Crack heads with that baton anymore. Try to disarm? Tazer? Am I missing something everyone else is seeing? Curious to hear some of yalls take.


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421353
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It sounds like he was on scene as security not as an official police officer. Unless in that area on duty police are subbed out as security for private businesses. He’s in serious trouble and frothe videos shown, he should be no matter what capacity he was acting in.



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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421355
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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421356
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I don't think you are missing anything. Looks like murder to me. What else could you call it? No ones life was in danger, it wasn't self defense.


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: chas3457] #7421364
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I don’t think anything remotely close to this is the case in this situation. A guy in a mobility scooter, shot 9 times in the back from less than 10 feet. I’m all for due process in every aspect, but I think this person has a pretty big mountain to climb trying to prove innocence. We only have a very small amount of information right now and only what they want us to know at this time.



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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421366
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Most incidents can be prevented by LISTENING to what you are told. Back in the day when I was a younger man. It was always a given when a police officer said to STOP when you were told to do so.
It all started several years ago when it was a crime for a parent to punish your child with a slap on the as+ when they are being defiant. it then escalated into the schools by disrespecting teachers and rules of the schools and now it is moving to the streets.
Everything that we see in the fudged news now days tries to paint a story to its viewers where the defiant person is being targeted by the police. It all can be prevented by doing what you are told. STOP


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421381
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yep. comply or die


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421389
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I don't see how anyone could consider that a justified use of deadly force.

The idiot in the mobility scooter was a long-time criminal and scumbag. He was brandishing a knife and had threatened both a Walmart employee and a law officer. But at the time of the shooting there was no imminent danger to anyone. Maybe a slight risk to the person just inside the entrance.

Seems like a perfect scenario for less-than-lethal force to me.

Were the officers equipped with tasers?


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: Lugnut] #7421395
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I don't see how anyone could consider that a justified use of deadly force.

The idiot in the mobility scooter was a long-time criminal and scumbag. He was brandishing a knife and had threatened both a Walmart employee and a law officer. But at the time of the shooting there was no imminent danger to anyone. Maybe a slight risk to the person just inside the entrance.

Seems like a perfect scenario for less-than-lethal force to me.

Were the officers equipped with tasers?

Does anyone have faith in tasers? I dont think I would trust tasers if they were the kind that you "shoot" into a person.

Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: Lugnut] #7421404
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I don't see how anyone could consider that a justified use of deadly force.

The idiot in the mobility scooter was a long-time criminal and scumbag. He was brandishing a knife and had threatened both a Walmart employee and a law officer. But at the time of the shooting there was no imminent danger to anyone. Maybe a slight risk to the person just inside the entrance.

Seems like a perfect scenario for less-than-lethal force to me.

Were the officers equipped with tasers?



I think the person in the store was in more danger from the officer shooting toward her than that knife! One view sure looked like she was in the line of fire.


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421405
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Defund all the police. Every man for himself, just like the wild wild west. Nobody should listen to the stinkin police.


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421422
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There are few situations that I think a back shooting could be justified


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421425
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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421455
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We cannot allow law enforcement officers to become judge, jury, and executioner!
Unless there is a lot more to the story that wee can't see, there is no way that cop's action is going to be deemed justifiable.
I'd wager anyone on that.


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421461
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A night stick in the spokes of a wheel would of stopped him .
Or something on that order , pull the power feed maybe ?
From what I see and what the chief said , he's going to be charged with murder .


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: danny clifton] #7421510
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
yep. comply or die

I have been to countries that was the way it is. There was no crime. Even in big cities. When someone didn't comply, and got shot, every one cheered, so it wasn't all bad. No one cared why they were shot, you did not question the cops. It is easy to comply, unless you know you are guilty. I have also been to places I did not want to walk down the street in the day light. But it was never for fear of Cops.


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421567
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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421613
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We've seen how quickly things escalated when people were told by Obama and Hillary that they should resist police. There has to be some authority somewhere.


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Re: Police shoot man on scooter? [Re: shanemoss] #7421628
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Why bother to have trials anymore when we can just post select pieces of Wallmart video and media reports of what happened and everyone can vote on guilty or not. Police chief and mayor have already decided, so who needs due process?

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Originally Posted by walleye101
Why bother to have trials anymore when we can just post select pieces of Wallmart video and media reports of what happened and everyone can vote on guilty or not. Police chief and mayor have already decided, so who needs due process?

This^^^


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