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Property ownership phone apps #7392392
10/30/21 05:28 PM
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Is a property ownership online app like ONYX legal definition of property? Have a deer stand that I know is very near line of adjacent property that hasn’t been hunted for 20 yrs, no issues. Week before season new leaser of adjoining property puts a “no trespass” sign on our stand because he says platt map phone app says we are on his land. It does look close but isn’t there some +/- with that level of GPS? Does’t he have to have a legal survey to do this. Property corners for that boundary are not staked.


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392394
10/30/21 05:36 PM
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Simple answer no.. How do you know the stand isn't on the adjoiner? If you own the property look at your survey or get one done. Make sure they mark the line.


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392397
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Get your land surveyed and file the survey with the county. Better to be positive where the line legally is before causimg any issues.


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392401
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No. Half of our 30 acres of woods is public land per Onx. Its been surveyed several times in the last 40 years so its not us that's wrong. It also shows half of my grandmas house as public ground.


Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392404
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Often it's dead on or close but it is prone to mistakes.A rancher tried to bounce me off his land in Arizona, I apologized for trespassing and showed him my onyx map, he then admitted it was public land as displayed on onyx but he thought we still should of asked first...

Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Michigander] #7392407
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Originally Posted by Michigander
No. Half of our 30 acres of woods is public land per Onx. Its been surveyed several times in the last 40 years so its not us that's wrong. It also shows half of my grandmas house as public ground.


Onyx gets their property ownership information from public GIS sources. You may want to drop by your county mapping department and have it corrected.


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Michigander] #7392416
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Originally Posted by Michigander
No. Half of our 30 acres of woods is public land per Onx. Its been surveyed several times in the last 40 years so its not us that's wrong. It also shows half of my grandmas house as public ground.

Did they do a plat map when they surveyed it? If so get an ariel overlay with google earth and settle it. If not you will have to have boundry marked /flagged.

Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392417
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I really wouldn't have a stand right on the line. What if the animal you shoot, runs onto the other property. I just wouldn't take that chance.


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392455
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Onx shows my property lines the same as the county map, which is wrong. I had it surveyed years ago. Its not off by alot but one side of the property is off by about 25 feet.

Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392467
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I know it was risky to have stand that close but we located at best geography and with aerial overlay. I just don’t know if he has legal right to post my stand from Onyx alone without having property line officially surveyed


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392510
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He did it and relied upon similar information as you. How about challenging him to an Indian leg wrestling contest.


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392511
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Why do people line hunt? I don't like being to close where hi powered rifles go off


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392519
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He don’t Drake. Tell him to take the sign off your property unless he wants to split the costs of a survey with you. If you have had that stand there for several years tell him the ground is yours regardless due to adverse possession. If you let him Buffalo you now, you might lose some ground. Onx property lines are very often wrong.

Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392553
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The county tax info is not always uploaded to the net accurately. We had an oddball situation where we had bought about an acre and a half that was surrounded by our farm property. New deed got recorded and the new land showed up on the county records out in the middle of a pasture over 300 yds from the actual location. It took a while but we finally got the county to correct the error and show the lot at the correct location.

Get your survey platt and find the corners and lines. Every County GIS that I have ever used has an accuracy disclaimer on it. GIS is usually fairly close but the legal description on the survey/deed is what you have to go by.


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392562
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Line hunting is becoming a necessity as recreational hunting parcel ever shrink here. A group that once could afford 160A forced down to 40 because of taxes can’t all sit in the middle. I will get the line surveyed I’m just trying to see if he has any real right with just Onyx to keep me from my stand this season. If I’m off it can’t more than10-20’. The land adjoining is OWNED by a trust, I’m dealing with the leaser.


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: WhiteTrash 88] #7392580
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Originally Posted by WhiteTrash 88
He don’t Drake. Tell him to take the sign off your property unless he wants to split the costs of a survey with you. If you have had that stand there for several years tell him the ground is yours regardless due to adverse possession. If you let him Buffalo you now, you might lose some ground. Onx property lines are very often wrong.


Adverse possession is not near that simple in MN. Almost no one can actually get a legal adverse possession claim here

Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392592
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I would call the person in charge of the trust and complain loudly about his leasee !!! Get sheriff involved and have him warned about defacing private property and trespassing along with harassment. Get game warden involved too. His lease might be over pretty quick. Hide some trail cameras around it to prove your case. Leave an easy to spot one for him to mess with or steal and a pretty well hid one to prove your point.

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I'm curious. When you're sitting in your stand do you face your property or the Trust property?


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Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392671
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The simple answer to your question is no. A third party mapping app, such as Onyx, is not a substitute for a legal definition.

Onyx most likely has a disclaimer somewhere that it is not intended to be used to substitute for a legal property survey.

Re: Property ownership phone apps [Re: Drakej] #7392684
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Get a metal detector and go looking for old survey stakes might be the cheapest route.


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