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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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Tell him to look down the barrel next time to check. And tell him that pulling the little lever makes a light come on in the barrel. lol Jim
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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The rules of firearms safety do not apply on a movie set. The actors do not need to be doing anything pther than what they are told to do with a firrarm. There is an armorer that is supposed to be in charge of the loading and condition of each weapon on the set.
This is not the only time someone has died on a movie set. The rules of firearms safety apply wherever there are real firearms. Let them use fake guns or computer imagery, if they want to point them at people. Jim My daughter's hunter safety guns were used to practice various holding and shooting positions except the guns had the bolts removed. Even with the bolts removed gun safety was priority and instilled.
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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I'd hate to think the filming would be delayed 30 seconds while the actor double checks the firearm that he/she is going to point at someone and pull the trigger. Experts aren't infallible. We don't need smart guns we need competent trained people handling them.
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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I have a hard time believing Hollywood uses real unmodified guns capable of firing live rounds, but if so, that changes everything. At very least, producer that allowed it would be on the hook for criminal and civil penalties. Actor not far behind. To quote that famous Hollywood philosopher Forrest Gump, "stupid is as stupid does".
Point being it should never be possible. My dad's old VFW honor guard was issued real WWII era M1 Garands, but prior to release, all had been modified to accept only special made blanks. Real bullets would not chamber or fire. A common coast guard safety flare gun will chamber and fire a 12 gauge shotgun shell, but will blow up in your hand if you try it.
Any "gun" used in a movie set......should be nothing more than a replica incapable of firing a live round. A replica of anything can be made to go flash/bang and be harmless when it does.
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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There should be no guns on a move set, only a faxcemily of one. They can dubb in noise and animate flash and smoke from the barrel. Three people should be charged. Safety director, man who made the cold gun claim and Alec. Real guns are not movie props. If you don't know how to handle a gun then it shouldn't be in your hands. Once you pick it up it is your responsibility.
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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The rules of firearms safety do not apply on a movie set. The actors do not need to be doing anything pther than what they are told to do with a firrarm. There is an armorer that is supposed to be in charge of the loading and condition of each weapon on the set.
This is not the only time someone has died on a movie set. The rules of firearms safety apply wherever there are real firearms. Let them use fake guns or computer imagery, if they want to point them at people. Jim Jim, are those rules statute law? does failure to follow safe practices carry a legal penalty?
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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The gun safety rules aren't enacted into law, so far as I know, but you can bet a jury will be educated on them when this goes to trial, as it undoubtedly will in some fashion.
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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The gun safety rules aren't enacted into law, so far as I know, but you can bet a jury will be educated on them when this goes to trial, as it undoubtedly will in some fashion.
Jim No doubt that it will come to Court, wrongful death at the least. Obviously negligence played a large role, aside from the armorer, the A.D. and the shooter, every crew member on the set should have protested the careless handling of the firearm. That they didn't indicates that they were used to this procedure. That puts blame on company owners and executives. My question is prompted by everyone's assertions that Baldwin should be charged because he failed to safe the firearm. If those safety rules are not codified, they lend nothing to reason for charges, do they? It would amount to a charge of premeditated stupidity, and as far as I can tell stupidity is legal in all fifty states? Gun owners advocating charges based on safety violations looks like gun.owners begging for gun control laws to be enacted saying that if you fail to follow any safety rule that you become a felon. This would almost have to be a Federal law so that it could apply in all states and would almost require certification of all gun users to have completed a Federal safety training course. A registration of people qualified to touch a firearm.
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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As much as I don't care for Baldwin, there is no doubt that this was absolutely an accident. He has to be rightfully upset. I feel this will haunt him the rest of his life.
A bigger question is, what were they doing with live ammunition on a movie set?
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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The gun safety rules aren't enacted into law, so far as I know, but you can bet a jury will be educated on them when this goes to trial, as it undoubtedly will in some fashion.
Jim No doubt that it will come to Court, wrongful death at the least. Obviously negligence played a large role, aside from the armorer, the A.D. and the shooter, every crew member on the set should have protested the careless handling of the firearm. That they didn't indicates that they were used to this procedure. That puts blame on company owners and executives. My question is prompted by everyone's assertions that Baldwin should be charged because he failed to safe the firearm. If those safety rules are not codified, they lend nothing to reason for charges, do they? It would amount to a charge of premeditated stupidity, and as far as I can tell stupidity is legal in all fifty states? Gun owners advocating charges based on safety violations looks like gun.owners begging for gun control laws to be enacted saying that if you fail to follow any safety rule that you become a felon. This would almost have to be a Federal law so that it could apply in all states and would almost require certification of all gun users to have completed a Federal safety training course. A registration of people qualified to touch a firearm. I believe if your stupidity directly leads to another's death that you can expect some sort of charges to be brought against you.
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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It will undoubtedly end up in court. As producer of the movie, Baldwin will end up in court in some role of accountability.
If an electrician does faulty wiring on a new home being built causing the house to burn down as a result, not only is the electrician held responsible, but the general contractor is as well.
Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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It will undoubtedly end up in court. As producer of the movie, Baldwin will end up in court in some role of accountability.
If an electrician does faulty wiring on a new home being built causing the house to burn down as a result, not only is the electrician held responsible, but the general contractor is as well. Exactly.
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Re: Will Alec Baldwin be charged ?
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Sure it will end up in civil court but baldwin will not face criminal charges and there is a big difference between civil and criminal court........he is to well tied in with the liberals. Now if you pulled the trigger of a gun and someone died you would face some type of criminal charge no matter what the circumstances were. The elites have a special set of rules that pertain to them and their pets....
As far as pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger military and some le do that all the time with simunitions and blanks....as well as paint ball.
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