Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: Steven 49er]
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09/03/21 10:30 PM
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A couple things, SSI is already drawing from the so-called trust fund. The 2034 figure is when that trust fund will be depleted.
Why should any fix require future generations to pay for promises made by past generations to themselves?
Last edited by Steven 49er; 09/03/21 11:02 PM.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: Steven 49er]
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09/03/21 10:51 PM
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There are way too many people in this country who hardly worked and draw a check of some sort and I know a few.Sad how broken this system is.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: Garryowen]
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09/04/21 12:12 AM
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I'm surprised no-one brought up about paying Social Security to illegal immigrants that have not paid a dime into it. When SS was first started a person had to work ten years to receive it.
Garryowen You have that backwards. The illegals pay into SS but get no benefits. Fake SSNs.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: Steven 49er]
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Nice test steven. Ponzi schemes always fail.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
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I'm surprised no-one brought up about paying Social Security to illegal immigrants that have not paid a dime into it. When SS was first started a person had to work ten years to receive it.
Garryowen You have that backwards. The illegals pay into SS but get no benefits. Fake SSNs. Yup
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: Rick Otts]
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There are way too many people in this country who hardly worked and draw a check of some sort and I know a few.Sad how broken this system is. That would be SSDI social security disability insurance) and I strongly agree that its a very abused system that needs to tighten up. If you can play video games all day or be a keyboard warrior... You can work
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: danny clifton]
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ss comes out of the general fund. just like welfare. when do they project welfare to run out of money???????????????????? I'm glad I'm not the only one understanding this. Thanks Dan.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
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How come Social Security is always running out of money, and welfare never runs out of money. NO!!!!! I don't go along with raising retirement age!! Move all disability cases on Social Security over to welfare. Pay back what is owed to SS trust fund. I have been paying into SS for well over 40 years! So when I got disabled at 50 years old after paying taxes my whole life, I worked on the books since I was 14. 36 years you think I should go on welfare? And not collect what I paid into? To quote Buzzy, you sir are a "suckhole"
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: Steven 49er]
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09/04/21 05:31 AM
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How come Social Security is always running out of money, and welfare never runs out of money. NO!!!!! I don't go along with raising retirement age!! Move all disability cases on Social Security over to welfare. Pay back what is owed to SS trust fund. I have been paying into SS for well over 40 years! So when I got disabled at 50 years old after paying taxes my whole life, I worked on the books since I was 14. 36 years you think I should go on welfare? And not collect what I paid into? To quote Buzzy, you sir are a "suckhole" Why should you care what government tit your check comes from? Many on disability can do some form of work. I refused disability 10 years ago....Why? This suckhole has PRIDE and knows how to make money with my experience and knowledge, just don't use my back anymore than I have to. Now back to you, you claim disability at 50 years old. Yet you run a trap line, trap beaver at that. Then lets refer to your posting as recent as 8-21-21 #7328224, Mark Junes "Obesity a real health threat". In that thread you claim to be, 6 foot tall, 300 # and very active!! You then thank the good lord for your good health everyday!! So before calling someone a Suckhole, You maybe should thank them for still working hard paying into a government system, that you sir seem to be sucking the tit of. Your posting history is not the picture of a disabled person, unable to earn a income in some form. 40 years of work must make you feel entitled. I passed 40 years of work 5 years ago and am still working and plan to work for another 10 or more.
you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: Steven 49er]
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09/04/21 06:24 AM
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My question is what happened to the money saved by having over 500,000 people over 65 that died of COVID. If they averaged $1000 a month that would be $500,000,000.00 a month in savings. Hmmmm!!! Just asking?
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: Steven 49er]
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09/04/21 06:31 AM
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FDR was correct. Secure votes forever more with cash.
Did we think they were sitting at a vineyard sipping wine and smoking cigars worried about Fred and Susie and how Fred and Susie were gonna make ends meet and wanted to help 'em out of that pickle?
From a dumb young age, based on all I could see happening around me with sex, drugs, and rock and roll being the pleasures of the day.... I figured my virtues better be >>>> keep my head down, zipper up, work hard, stash cash, eat right, drive safe, be home early, get up early, do things right..., and not depend on the masses who live their lives partying like it was 1999.
My grandpa owned an orchard and was pretty perceptive (see the above list of virtues). Thanks gramps!
95% of Americans are financially enslaved meaning they do not have the means to make the choices they'd make if they had the bucks. In the richest nation ever in human history.... almost all are enslaved.
FDR and JB and the ones to come next ALL KNOW THIS. And spend the people's $$$$ (and much more) accordingly. "Vote for me and I'll set you free!" Ah yes, that old song by the Temptations. How true.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: danny clifton]
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09/04/21 06:31 AM
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ss comes out of the general fund. just like welfare. when do they project welfare to run out of money???????????????????? Well done.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
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Contrary to popular belief, Social security does not have its own pot of gold. When the time to do budgeting comes its all about allocating money to what obligations. This will mean tighter budgets for certain departments. When I was in middle school they were telling us that social security would "run out" by 2020. Instead of tighter budgets for some departments, they should be eliminated all together. I'd start with the biggest waste of money, the Department of Education.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
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Is it even possible to eliminate the Federal Debt within 4 Years ? No. The total net worth of all combined millionaires and billionaires in the US is about 1.5 trillion. The Gubmint goes in debt more than 1.5 trillion annually. It's unfathomable how much money a trillion dollars is.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: Steven 49er]
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09/04/21 06:42 AM
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We're handing off a different Federal balance sheet to our grandkids than grandma and grandpa handed us.
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Re: Social Security and Medicare
[Re: bowhunter27295]
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09/04/21 08:07 AM
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How about we make SS voluntary.
I want OUT. Just write me a check for the money I have put in with a 3% compounded interest per year and then write me out of the books. Give me a release paper to sign or whatever else. Just let me OUT.
I am on a sinking ship with a life vest in sight and I am being told it won't work. Just stay over here with all the other people without a life vest. We will be fine if we stick together.
Nope. We will all drown. Give me my life vest and kick me off of the boat. I would take that also....I have saved and planned like Soc. Sec. never existed. Many ways to earn a living if one wants to use their head.
you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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