Re: Profit reporting lies
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The economy and stock market are just booming based on companies saying they are making record profits. BUT I wonder if it is really gains or just them surpassing their "goal" profit. NO WAY these car companies have made the record profits they are reporting with production at a stand still. ZERO ,YES ZERO new cars or trucks on the GM , Ford or Toyota car lots here in my area. Haven't been for over 3 months. I had a new Tahoe ordered since March and finally the dealership called me and refunded my deposit. CAN'T get one with the options we want . PLUS don't know when any Tahoe will come in. With shelves bare and months even up to a year in delays on products how are most companies making money. We added a family room onto my detached garage and the furniture we ordered was supposed to arrive in july. Store called and said November at the earliest. Something doesn't add up
Oh yea it's electronic money. Key strokes and anything can "look" good. Won't be any negative financials as long as BOBO is still Prez.
No way market should be this high with all the negatives going on. Inflation, LACK OF PRODUTS to sell, illnesses, turmoil in middle east, border mess , High gas prices. Been shopping to replace momma's 2014 Durango. I looked at two Tahoes on the lot, but she wants another Durango. We had three to pic from. Haven't pulled the trigger yet. I was liking the trade in value on the old Durango, $12,000.00 with 177,000 miles. Supposed bad time to buy new? other than low inventory, the numbers were working.
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Re: Profit reporting lies
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08/14/21 02:41 PM
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I agree with White. Your labor is your most expensive part of your business. With less labor. Less parts. But able to charge more. Makes a good profit margin. If you are doing more with less. That makes your profit margin better. I can only go by our small company for a comparison. We have given up on replacing the labor we once had. But we are gaining profit do to stream lining and do more.
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Re: Profit reporting lies
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That is what I am betting on. I hold good companys and do sell some way out calls, I buy them on puts. The market is doing fine it is just that there are so few shares available to the many new buyers and the extra money that the prices of stock (right now) have to go up. But sooner or later a 15%er will come.....jk
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Re: Profit reporting lies
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Consider how much less the company is spending on parts they can't buy and labor they can't use. It's not like they didn't have any parts in inventory. They can still build a few cars. And due to inflation they can charge a lot more for the few cars they do produce. Look at the used car market. It's incredible right now. Companies like Car Max and Carvana .........that usually earn 1-2000 per vehicle are now making 4-5000 per vehicle, gross profit.
If companies were lying about their earnings, there would be short sellers all over the stocks as well as SEC probes. Shareholders aren't stupid. Especially the institutional shareholders . They are able to calculate within a penny or two exactly what the numbers should be. BUT the issue is they are still making cars full bore ! JUST parking them incomplete somewhere waiting on the conductors. SO selling ZERO but still paying labor and utilities. FOAM for seats and electronics is the stopping point. Ford has nearly 40,000 pickups parked at the KY speedy. So calculate the EXPENSE to build them with ZERO income from those sales. That is one big expense coming off the bottom line IF you calculate it properly. BUT if the President is PRO union no union company going to make him look bad. I saw for myself the trucks sitting at the speedway !!! That is just one lot !! I got 5 more pics of across the road from the speedway and behind.
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Re: Profit reporting lies
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I wouldn't be quick to assume profit reporting lies from major public corporations who are heavily audited, and run by a reputable board of directors. Many large mutual fund companies track these companies as well. Is is possible, and it has happened, but it is uncommon. Nothing kills corporate stock like being caught cooking the books. Institutional investors with major holdings will dump their stock and run for the doors when this happens. Then the news media discovers it and we learn a day later.
Yea reporting like with border, hunters laptop, BOBO grabbing interns, Dems cavorting with Chinese agents (while serving on the national security committee.) That the news reporting you reffering to?
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Re: Profit reporting lies
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Consider how much less the company is spending on parts they can't buy and labor they can't use. It's not like they didn't have any parts in inventory. They can still build a few cars. And due to inflation they can charge a lot more for the few cars they do produce. Look at the used car market. It's incredible right now. Companies like Car Max and Carvana .........that usually earn 1-2000 per vehicle are now making 4-5000 per vehicle, gross profit.
If companies were lying about their earnings, there would be short sellers all over the stocks as well as SEC probes. Shareholders aren't stupid. Especially the institutional shareholders . They are able to calculate within a penny or two exactly what the numbers should be. BUT the issue is they are still making cars full bore ! JUST parking them incomplete somewhere waiting on the conductors. SO selling ZERO but still paying labor and utilities. FOAM for seats and electronics is the stopping point. Ford has nearly 40,000 pickups parked at the KY speedy. So calculate the EXPENSE to build them with ZERO income from those sales. That is one big expense coming off the bottom line IF you calculate it properly. BUT if the President is PRO union no union company going to make him look bad. I saw for myself the trucks sitting at the speedway !!! That is just one lot !! I got 5 more pics of across the road from the speedway and behind. Fords been laying off for a year and a half, far from going full bore.
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