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Profit reporting lies #7329896
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The economy and stock market are just booming based on companies saying they are making record profits. BUT I wonder if it is really gains or just them surpassing their "goal" profit. NO WAY these car companies have made the record profits they are reporting with production at a stand still. ZERO ,YES ZERO new cars or trucks on the GM , Ford or Toyota car lots here in my area. Haven't been for over 3 months. I had a new Tahoe ordered since March and finally the dealership called me and refunded my deposit. CAN'T get one with the options we want . PLUS don't know when any Tahoe will come in.
With shelves bare and months even up to a year in delays on products how are most companies making money. We added a family room onto my detached garage and the furniture we ordered was supposed to arrive in july. Store called and said November at the earliest.
Something doesn't add up

Oh yea it's electronic money. Key strokes and anything can "look" good. Won't be any negative financials as long as BOBO is still Prez.

No way market should be this high with all the negatives going on. Inflation, LACK OF PRODUTS to sell, illnesses, turmoil in middle east, border mess , High gas prices.

Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7329897
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I figured things will look good on the surface at least tell after mid terms. 6 months after that bets are off

Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7329904
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Yes 30 years ago I worked for a wheel co that made wheels for Honda accords. They would "project" their profit for the quarter and our profit sharing was based on that. They would guess 250,000 in profit but only had a 200,000 profit so they "lost " money = no profit sharing. Got 1 bonus check in 10 years .

Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7329919
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My father has a saying. Figures don’t Lie. But Liars Figure!!!!

Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7329974
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
The economy and stock market are just booming based on companies saying they are making record profits. BUT I wonder if it is really gains or just them surpassing their "goal" profit. NO WAY these car companies have made the record profits they are reporting with production at a stand still. ZERO ,YES ZERO new cars or trucks on the GM , Ford or Toyota car lots here in my area. Haven't been for over 3 months. I had a new Tahoe ordered since March and finally the dealership called me and refunded my deposit. CAN'T get one with the options we want . PLUS don't know when any Tahoe will come in.
With shelves bare and months even up to a year in delays on products how are most companies making money. We added a family room onto my detached garage and the furniture we ordered was supposed to arrive in july. Store called and said November at the earliest.
Something doesn't add up

Oh yea it's electronic money. Key strokes and anything can "look" good. Won't be any negative financials as long as BOBO is still Prez.

No way market should be this high with all the negatives going on. Inflation, LACK OF PRODUTS to sell, illnesses, turmoil in middle east, border mess , High gas prices.

Been shopping to replace momma's 2014 Durango. I looked at two Tahoes on the lot, but she wants another Durango. We had three to pic from. Haven't pulled the trigger yet. I was liking the trade in value on the old Durango, $12,000.00 with 177,000 miles. Supposed bad time to buy new? other than low inventory, the numbers were working.

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Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7329983
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Consider how much less the company is spending on parts they can't buy and labor they can't use. It's not like they didn't have any parts in inventory. They can still build a few cars. And due to inflation they can charge a lot more for the few cars they do produce. Look at the used car market. It's incredible right now. Companies like Car Max and Carvana .........that usually earn 1-2000 per vehicle are now making 4-5000 per vehicle, gross profit.

If companies were lying about their earnings, there would be short sellers all over the stocks as well as SEC probes. Shareholders aren't stupid. Especially the institutional shareholders . They are able to calculate within a penny or two exactly what the numbers should be.


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Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7329998
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I agree with White. Your labor is your most expensive part of your business. With less labor. Less parts. But able to charge more. Makes a good profit margin. If you are doing more with less. That makes your profit margin better. I can only go by our small company for a comparison. We have given up on replacing the labor we once had. But we are gaining profit do to stream lining and do more.

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Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7330001
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If a company held on struggled thru this economy in the past 1 1/2yrs. It is amazing of the growth potential. And the growth that will be coming as the economy continues to open

Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7330005
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That is what I am betting on. I hold good companys and do sell some way out calls, I buy them on puts. The market is doing fine it is just that there are so few shares available to the many new buyers and the extra money that the prices of stock (right now) have to go up. But sooner or later a 15%er will come.....jk


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Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: white17] #7330009
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Originally Posted by white17
Consider how much less the company is spending on parts they can't buy and labor they can't use. It's not like they didn't have any parts in inventory. They can still build a few cars. And due to inflation they can charge a lot more for the few cars they do produce. Look at the used car market. It's incredible right now. Companies like Car Max and Carvana .........that usually earn 1-2000 per vehicle are now making 4-5000 per vehicle, gross profit.

If companies were lying about their earnings, there would be short sellers all over the stocks as well as SEC probes. Shareholders aren't stupid. Especially the institutional shareholders . They are able to calculate within a penny or two exactly what the numbers should be.


BUT the issue is they are still making cars full bore ! JUST parking them incomplete somewhere waiting on the conductors. SO selling ZERO but still paying labor and utilities. FOAM for seats and electronics is the stopping point.
Ford has nearly 40,000 pickups parked at the KY speedy. So calculate the EXPENSE to build them with ZERO income from those sales. That is one big expense coming off the bottom line IF you calculate it properly. BUT if the President is PRO union no union company going to make him look bad. I saw for myself the trucks sitting at the speedway !!!
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That is just one lot !! I got 5 more pics of across the road from the speedway and behind.

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Guy I fish tournaments with works at Toyota. He's plant manager . They are running at 120% (figure that one) But holding them waiting on key fobs and components for seat controls. So labor and other parts are still costing.

Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7330018
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I wouldn't be quick to assume profit reporting lies from major public corporations who are heavily audited, and run by a reputable board of directors. Many large mutual fund companies track these companies as well. Is is possible, and it has happened, but it is uncommon. Nothing kills corporate stock like being caught cooking the books. Institutional investors with major holdings will dump their stock and run for the doors when this happens. Then the news media discovers it and we learn a day later.

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Originally Posted by charles
I wouldn't be quick to assume profit reporting lies from major public corporations who are heavily audited, and run by a reputable board of directors. Many large mutual fund companies track these companies as well. Is is possible, and it has happened, but it is uncommon. Nothing kills corporate stock like being caught cooking the books. Institutional investors with major holdings will dump their stock and run for the doors when this happens. Then the news media discovers it and we learn a day later.






Yea reporting like with border, hunters laptop, BOBO grabbing interns, Dems cavorting with Chinese agents (while serving on the national security committee.) That the news reporting you reffering to?

Re: Profit reporting lies [Re: jbyrd63] #7330030
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by white17
Consider how much less the company is spending on parts they can't buy and labor they can't use. It's not like they didn't have any parts in inventory. They can still build a few cars. And due to inflation they can charge a lot more for the few cars they do produce. Look at the used car market. It's incredible right now. Companies like Car Max and Carvana .........that usually earn 1-2000 per vehicle are now making 4-5000 per vehicle, gross profit.

If companies were lying about their earnings, there would be short sellers all over the stocks as well as SEC probes. Shareholders aren't stupid. Especially the institutional shareholders . They are able to calculate within a penny or two exactly what the numbers should be.


BUT the issue is they are still making cars full bore ! JUST parking them incomplete somewhere waiting on the conductors. SO selling ZERO but still paying labor and utilities. FOAM for seats and electronics is the stopping point.
Ford has nearly 40,000 pickups parked at the KY speedy. So calculate the EXPENSE to build them with ZERO income from those sales. That is one big expense coming off the bottom line IF you calculate it properly. BUT if the President is PRO union no union company going to make him look bad. I saw for myself the trucks sitting at the speedway !!!
[Linked Image]

That is just one lot !! I got 5 more pics of across the road from the speedway and behind.


Fords been laying off for a year and a half, far from going full bore.

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They laid off before the covid. Got rid of high paying jobs. They closed the plant here in ky for a week. BUT the closures just happened . the profits they are reporting is for april thru june. What did they sell? and to whom' That pic of all those trucks was taken june 30.

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Ford is more, much more than your plant.
Just Google it, they've been laying off and still are.

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Ford has also been putting trucks between the train rails and hwy 62 between Charlestown and Jeffersonville Indian.

Nothing on that gravel lot then bam temp fence, lightning, security, and hundreds of trucks. They sit there for a while and then it's all gone as fast as it came. Then repeated.

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jbyrd63. I don’t want to start anything. Aren’t you the one that posted crypto crash? Why so much negativity on the markets? Yes everything is a little backwards. There is more uncertainty then gloom and doom. I have always found positive thinking, educating yourself, and finding the truth in why for yourself Goes a long way in investing and life in general. This country has seen and been through quite a lot since 1776. I think we will fair thru this one just fine. As long as we work hard. Compromise. And teach are young to do the same. And hold our law makers accountable. And remind them you can be voted out of office or removed. Just like they where voted in or appointed.

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Stinky your right. IF those things can be done. A lot of people no longer believe the system is honest and worked like it was designed any longer.

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So, are all those 2021 models sitting and waiting on electronics going to be sold as 2021s or relabled to 2022s?

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