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Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors #7303727
07/11/21 12:26 PM
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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Finster] #7303939
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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Finster] #7304160
07/12/21 12:17 AM
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Could I purchase one if I went to TX.


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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Snowpa] #7304167
07/12/21 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowpa
Could I purchase one if I went to TX.


No gun shop will sell you one with out going through the NFA process and sending to a dealer in your state.. They are still answering to the feds to keep their licenses. Besides you don't want to be the test case and you would be illegal once you crossed state lines to go back home.

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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Providence Farm] #7304218
07/12/21 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Snowpa
Could I purchase one if I went to TX.


No gun shop will sell you one with out going through the NFA process and sending to a dealer in your state.. They are still answering to the feds to keep their licenses. Besides you don't want to be the test case and you would be illegal once you crossed state lines to go back home.
Agreed. Once you cross state lines, Feds DO have authority (interstate commerce).

This is how some states have (theoretically) legally rejected anti-2A federal law: Buy a firearm or accessory within that state, that was made in that state and doesn't leave that state and the federal gov has trouble showing that they actually have authority to regulate something that is completely the state's internal business.


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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Finster] #7304260
07/12/21 08:58 AM
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IIRC, Montana did pretty much the same thing with firearms in general. Made in, purchased in and stays in being the key factors. There's still the federal manufacturers license that might be at issue if they are made for retail sale. Federally no license is required for manufacture for personal use, ala 80%lowers, but to sale in state or out requires a license.
JMO, but an over reach and abuse of the commerce clause as in so many things the feds do.


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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Finster] #7304268
07/12/21 09:03 AM
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Also I think the personal use only applies to non NFA items. Suppressors are NFA so just having the parts of one are a federal crime, constructive intent to build an NFA item.


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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Finster] #7304274
07/12/21 09:14 AM
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My guess is that this is either feel good thumb in the eye legislation that effectively does nothing or the set up for a test case. If the former all it will accomplish is getting a Texas citizen jammed up federally or if the latter I hope Texas throws their full support behind the poor schmuck who volunteers to be a guinea pig.


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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Finster] #7304279
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JMO, but we need our states to start stepping up to the plate to defend their citizens when the feds step out of line.


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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: warrior] #7304297
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Originally Posted by warrior
IIRC, Montana did pretty much the same thing with firearms in general. Made in, purchased in and stays in being the key factors...
Exactly.
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There's still the federal manufacturers license that might be at issue if they are made for retail sale.
Yes, FFLs, (C-01 & C-07 in this case) are still required to comply with federal law.
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Federally no license is required for manufacture for personal use, ala 80%lowers, but to sale in state or out requires a license.
Almost. Yes, you can still make your own home made firearm ('ghost gun' (sic)) for your own use, for the moment. To sell a homemade firearm *for profit*, or to make a firearm *with the intent to sell* requires a manufacturer's license, but some sales ARE allowed.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.c...-give-my-homemade-gun-another-person.htm

If I ever decided to sell or give away one of my homemade firearms (https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=4197), I would have to engrave it with a serial number, and my name/town & state as manufacturer. I could not sell it at a profit, although as long as it takes to make one on a manual mill, you'd have to sell it at about 6x the going retail price to make the first penny.
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JMO, but an over reach and abuse of the commerce clause as in so many things the feds do.
Yup.
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Also I think the personal use only applies to non NFA items. Suppressors are NFA so just having the parts of one are a federal crime, constructive intent to build an NFA item.
True.

To make an NFA item like an SBR or suppressor, it has to be legal in your state (some states don't allow suppressors, for example, and my state has a 29" minimum length on SBRs) AND one must file (and get approved) a federal Form 1 prior to gathering parts and/or beginning manufacture. While suppressors, SBRs, SBSs and AOWs are covered under a Form 1, one is not allowed to make anything full-auto since 1986.

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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Finster] #7304298
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The feds will enforce federal gun law. Under ks law you can build suppressers and firearms then stamp made in kansas on them and sell them to a kansas resident. Some guys in junction city are now felons for doing that. Also in ks its at felony to enforce federal gun law but the ATF thugs who arrested them never got charged. Just more feel good do nothing legislation. Maybe TX will step up and go to the supremes but KS did not.


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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Finster] #7304313
07/12/21 10:34 AM
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Re: Texas Deregulates Firearm Suppressors [Re: Finster] #7304315
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Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.

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