Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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12/30/20 09:01 PM
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When you have 30+ pages for deer and 30+ for small game, another 30 plus fishing regulations, etc, the wardens job becomes education. Sure we are heading in the other direction, but that just gives us that much more that can change and there has been lots of it over the last few years. Look at social media today and any group. There are thousands asking to understand the rules. Most just don't do enough to care to know the rule book inside and out. Take a couple years off and the person returning would be lost.
Even when they do highlight a new rule proposal, most miss it because they don't think it through. Take the wording change on submersion sets. Even Muskrat missed it and he teaches trappers ed.
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Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: Bob_Iowa]
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12/30/20 09:48 PM
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One thing is if they get rid of the 22 caliber part then the hornet would be legal, and the buckshot part is really dumb, I hope you guys can get it fixed. the hornet is a .22 caliber bullet the 204 ruger is not it is intended to be an example of reasonable equipment not the definition of reasonable equipment but it isn't how it is being read by dnr staff. they could not fine the poacher additionally for unreasonable equipment because clearly it worked.
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Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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12/30/20 10:43 PM
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it is a number of cartridges all very capable of taking small game
the center fire 17 hornet 17 ackey hornet 17 ackey bee 17 Remington 17 Mach IV 17-222 17-223 17 Remington fireball 20 tactical 204 ruger
rimfire 17HMR 17 HM2 17 Win super mag 17 pmc
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Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: WIMarshRAT]
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12/31/20 01:00 AM
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When you have 30+ pages for deer and 30+ for small game, another 30 plus fishing regulations, etc, the wardens job becomes education. Sure we are heading in the other direction, but that just gives us that much more that can change and there has been lots of it over the last few years. Look at social media today and any group. There are thousands asking to understand the rules. Most just don't do enough to care to know the rule book inside and out. Take a couple years off and the person returning would be lost.
Even when they do highlight a new rule proposal, most miss it because they don't think it through. Take the wording change on submersion sets. Even Muskrat missed it and he teaches trappers ed.
That’s the problem...there is absolutely no reason for 30 plus pages for the regs let alone 30 for trapping, 30 for small game and 30 for big game! And that’s only the stuff in the handbook...
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Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: BvrRetriever]
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12/31/20 09:43 AM
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When you have 30+ pages for deer and 30+ for small game, another 30 plus fishing regulations, etc, the wardens job becomes education. Sure we are heading in the other direction, but that just gives us that much more that can change and there has been lots of it over the last few years. Look at social media today and any group. There are thousands asking to understand the rules. Most just don't do enough to care to know the rule book inside and out. Take a couple years off and the person returning would be lost.
Even when they do highlight a new rule proposal, most miss it because they don't think it through. Take the wording change on submersion sets. Even Muskrat missed it and he teaches trappers ed.
That’s the problem...there is absolutely no reason for 30 plus pages for the regs let alone 30 for trapping, 30 for small game and 30 for big game! And that’s only the stuff in the handbook... We need to simplify it like South Dakota. Short, sweet and simple...even I can understand the regulations when I'm out there.
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Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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12/31/20 10:12 AM
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I am beginning to think our wild life department are getting to be like car manufactures, they have to keep making new rules etc. to show the boss they are doing something to keep there jobs. JMO
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Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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12/31/20 10:38 AM
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I don't think a total re-write is necessary and departmental education of even a thousand people state wide who can be given an email a memo . trained by their supervisor , ect.. while at work will be much easier than the better part of a million who really just want to get to their hunt.
I have written a few local ordinances I work really hard to make things enforceable yet extremely clear without a deep dive into nuance detail. Starting by stating the intent is a good place it put the officer , judge and citizen in the right framing.
one of my pet peeves is poorly written instruction and procedure. demands and details with no explanation of the goal.
the goal here is, to reduce a target wild animal to possession. to kill a game animal in an effective and humane way so that it can be taken into possession and made a part of the bag limit. no one wants a bunch of wounded game running around it's wasteful. the issue is examples were given and personnel in the department took them as the only reasonable options
here is the text
Reasonable equipment It is illegal to hunt with any weapon or ammunition that is of inherent design, or used in such a manner, as to not be reasonably capable of reducing a target wild animal to possession. The following are presumed reasonable equipment: • A firearm with a caliber of at least .22. • A bow with a minimum draw weight of 30 pounds. • A crossbow with a minimum draw weight of 100 pounds. • A raptor, as defined in s. NR 18.01 (10). • Commercially manufactured or similar hand-loaded or re-loaded ammunition. • An arrow or bolt with a sharpened broad-head blade. MuzzleloadersMuzzleloaders may be used statewide during any firearm deer season. During the muzzleloader-only deer season,all muzzleloaders must have a solid threaded breech plug making them capable of being loaded only from the muzzle. Black powder revolvers are not legal during the muzzleloader-only season because they are capable of being loaded by the cylinder instead of the muzzle. 2020 Wisconsin Hunting Regulations4
the addendum I think needs to be added for this section this is not an extensive list. these are simply examples of equipment that can be considered reasonable - a bow of lesser poundage 20 or 25 pounds for small game at reasonable distances would also be considered reasonable - a .17 caliber rim-fire for small game would also be considered reasonable. any equipment that is reasonably capable of reducing a wild target animal to possession is reasonable equipment.
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Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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12/31/20 11:26 AM
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it is a number of cartridges all very capable of taking small game
the center fire 17 hornet 17 ackey hornet 17 ackey bee 17 Remington 17 Mach IV 17-222 17-223 17 Remington fireball 20 tactical 204 ruger
rimfire 17HMR 17 HM2 17 Win super mag 17 pmc
Don’t forget the 5mm Remington Magnum, smaller caliber than 22 but more powerful than the 22 Magnum. This is a rimfire cartridge and an excellent small to medium size game cartridge. I’ve harvested many coyotes and bobcats with it while living out West. It’s sort of obsolete but from time to time there is ammo available.
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Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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12/31/20 12:35 PM
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I am not sure large bore rimfires for deer/bear/elk are worth messing with since technically they have not been legal for deer for a few decades maybe longer.
buck shot for coyote being a separate issue I just don't understand what they are trying to do there.
I think what they were trying to get at is they want you to declare what your hunting before you step foot in the field and not have both types of shells in your possession.
i can understand that but saying no buck at all ever doesn't seem right.
if your night hunting , running dogs or calling buckshot is a good tool.
possessing buck shot and a game bird , small or large game other than coyote or other animal that is not legal to shoot with buck shot should be the violation.
coyote should really become an unprotected species like skunk and possum they already place uprotected species , coyote , racoon and fox in the same category repeatedly. Night hunting Unprotected species (as well as coyote, fox and raccoon) may be hunted without shooting hour restrictions except if hunting with a bow or crossbow
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Re: WARNING WISCONSIN REGS CHANGED
[Re: Kelly]
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12/31/20 12:40 PM
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it is a number of cartridges all very capable of taking small game
the center fire 17 hornet 17 ackey hornet 17 ackey bee 17 Remington 17 Mach IV 17-222 17-223 17 Remington fireball 20 tactical 204 ruger
rimfire 17HMR 17 HM2 17 Win super mag 17 pmc
Don’t forget the 5mm Remington Magnum, smaller caliber than 22 but more powerful than the 22 Magnum. This is a rimfire cartridge and an excellent small to medium size game cartridge. I’ve harvested many coyotes and bobcats with it while living out West. It’s sort of obsolete but from time to time there is ammo available. with all the sub 22cal rounds that do or could exist naming them for the rules is pointless. however yes there are definitely ones even I missed and I though I had them all.
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