I'm not sure jbyrd but there lays some of the trouble. I just lost my mother last year due to malpractice and every time I went to see her bout made me sick. My skinning she's was as clean as the hospital can't imagine what 6hey look like now. I'm praying for this country.

Several, But unfortunately several more that have died from covid . BUT one more thing to think about . If people are sick and they die after contracting covid didn't covid push them over the edge.

Play this scenario Guy finds out he has cancer . He goes home and kills himself . Is he labeled as a cancer death or suicide ????

LOL think about that one !!!

There certainly is a lot of money involved in this. There would be even more money at risk if we did nothing.

Regardless, even at the increased rates of reimbursement, the hospitals are still losing money. Can you imagine how much LESS treatment there would be if hospitals went out of business ?

Oh for Pete's sakes!

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And wiki is what?? What about the thousands of doctors who have signed the barrington declaration?? Are they crazy too?? What about the doctors in Alberta who sent letters to Kenny and did the recent interviews?? Are they crazy too??

Oh I know it goes both ways. But if a diabetic or someone that has high blood pressure but is contributing to society everyday until they get sick and die people must stop blaming the victim Their life style or eating habits wouldn't have killed them when they died if covid hadn't come along.. That's all i'm saying. Heck friend of ours sister's husband was in stage 4 lung cancer. Got covid died and hospital put on death certificate covid. They had a cancer policy, ins company at first denied payout.

They didn't happen until now LOL. Lock down curtailed that. But officials handled this thing in reverse. From start should have slowed some things. Let patients battle this in summer and warm temps. Now it's winter and certain businesses can't remain open due to weather.
But I knew it wouldn't take long for the "but I know this" "I hear this" "what about this" to be posted . Just wanted to pass along an ACTUAL event that I lived and saw. NOT something copied and pasted from a dr in bum dum Egypt and his or her opinion or should haves !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They definitely label it a covid death if you die in a car wreck and had covid. Everyone will have had this by the time it's over.

" BUT even with co morbidities most folks would still be alive that are dead (not all) if china hadn't sent us this bug..."



Sorry but I don't believe this at all. Think of all the nursing home deaths. Reality is that most of those were nearing the end of their natural life anyway.



As far as seeming healthy people dying I have a theory that a lot of those had an undiagnosed condition. How many people have you heard of that had diabetes and never knew it until they had kidney or eye problems? I guess someone could just not have a good immune system against this virus but those cases are very rare.


Just the record I knew personally two people that died from covid complications. One elderly and one in early fifties. Also my brother was hospitalized from it but recovered.

My input . My 2 daughters had it both in 20 my 2 brothers in lower 48 states are sitting on couch with it right now doing good . 6 of my daughters friends got it all at same time all In 20s my other daughter has friend sitting at home with it right now . And it just went through my friends house 7 of them ages 18 to 80 all good and over it . I Friend in Lower 48 lost his father and His aunt had stroke from it but the all had heart problems big time . Plus I have a few friends in town that had it and got over it with little problem. All Above tested positive . I am 49 with high blood pressure Probably going to die if I get it so make your peace with god and move on . I have my life insurance and will done my biggest fear is the Covid testing truck will slide through a intersection and kill me and they will list me as COVID death

If every body would stop getting tested for it and just stay home if your sick the numbers will drop and the big scary numbers will disappear and everyone will loose Interest . I don’t remember them ever having testing stations for the flu .

I think I already had it in March was sick with cough and fatigue and lost my Taste and smell for a week and had a cough for a month and blood pressure went crazy for awhile But never got tested.

YOU KNOW THIS FOR SURE ? YOU witnessed it? Not hear say ?

Sorry but I don't believe this at all. Think of all the nursing home deaths. Reality is that most of those were nearing the end of their natural life anyway.


So these people don't count ? YOU are one I am describing so instead of nursing homes just shoot them instead . Or with ammo shortage throw them off a ship save bullets.

Yes, they did, but they had a little more time to plan for them. They're called Doctor's offices, clinics and hospitals.

I will pray for that young man as well.
Vitamin D and Zinc seems to reduce the severity of the virus is what I've read too. HCQ is being used by many countries with great results while our country's doctors, like Fauci, are saying it's worthless. That's probably because of the difference in cost between HCQ and Remdesivir. It's all about the money and yes, that is criminal.

I believe what he was trying to say is that even the common cold would pose a great threat to them. Then our governors had the sick elderly put in the nursing homes instead of the hospital.

Our state labels deaths where the deceased had COVID but died from other causes as "COVID related deaths".

My wife's uncle died in June. He had a stroke. On his death certificate his death is listed as a stroke, with the secondary cause, or underlying cause as COVID.

This might be true for HCQ but it isnt for ivermectin. The doctor that testified before the senate used the term "mounds" of evidence. The one example he gave was over 800 health care workers who were given ivermectin. Not one of them got covid. People can choose to ignore that, or they can say he is lying, but to say there is no data is simply not true.

Perfect example: Remdesivir vs HCQ. No money in HCQ.
Make HCQ available to patients with Covid instead of the other option. Instead, they ban it in the US. It's all about the money and the media is behind it too.

Wikipedia as a source. Like that's reliable and unbiased. What's next? Snopes?

Jbyrd63, If I might offer, you're upset with the wrong people. All seek scientific answers, but for some medicine seems to be marching differently during this pandemic than before, as doctors and personnel seek science, science, science to suggest avenues and tactics. Perhaps the virus is too cagey or perhaps it's not been long enough but double-blind placebo controlled studies, the backbone of medicine are lacking at ground 0. Everywhere. Maybe no one wants to be the placebo group? Who knows. But this isn't worth calling out citizenry when citizenry isn't doing anything different than you or me. They're living and breathing. And until studies suggest something..... ALL the rest is just opinion. Yours. Mine, Everyone's is no better or worse. I don't care if a doc gives it, a Fauci-ite gives it, or a Martian gives it. If and until there is data then it's opinion. And the reason we try to use data and science as best man can is absolutely because opinion is a belief system, not a scientific system.

Case in point, OH announced today further state wide guidelines. Wrestling may continue but without hand shakes before and after a match. I don't care who/what/why/which/when tells me anything about that ruling right there.... (docs? I'm sure some are. Attorneys? Has to be) is stupid. Not saying if they should wrestle or not. I'm suggesting that if this is how this is playing out - common sense folks say "What?"

We don't say there's no Covid. We don't say it doesn't kill? We just wonder all these whizzes we pay to be in office and in the medical towers of our country, where are you all at?
In the mean time 1,000 opinions from a 1,000 versions surface and battle.
Covid doesn't really care.

Make sense sir?

Blessings,
Mark

I'm a high school basketball ref in Ohio and been doing basketball games since before Thanksgiving. in some ways it's worse than wrestling as far as close contact.

The one good thing is no more captains meetings. Biggest waste of time ever.