For all you covid naysayers !

Nobody ever said it was a hoax. The hysteria around it is the hoax. From all reports, the vaccine is bit of a hoax as if doesn't stop you from getting infected, just prevents symptoms. Maybe that means you wouldn't be able to transmit it sans symptoms. If that is true then why are quarantining asymptomatic people?

jbyrd63 the burden of this must be great.

yukon254 you should stop spreading miss information about this virus.

jbyrd63 the burden of this must be great.

yukon254 you should stop spreading miss information about this virus.

jbyrd63 the burden of this must be great.

yukon254 you should stop spreading miss information about this virus.

J byrd, I am sorry for your burden.

Let me ask you this. Please be honest.

How many false positives and false covid labeling do you personally know of? Does your wife know of? Do your friends tell you about? How many have you read on here?

I do believe covid exists. I had it. Could it kill people, yes. My concern that is best worded from the Alberta doctor is, how many died from covid and how many died with covid? Serious questions.

Do me a favor byrd.

Go to this link and scroll down to the graph with all the different colored lines.

Now look at the line with the red triangles on it. That is the influenza rate for this current season. Lowest rate historically on this graph. Earliest year is 09-10.

With all of the money involved in covid reimbursement, my radar is up on this. To me, it doesn't pass the smell test.

Thanks cooner.

They definitely label it a covid death if you die in a car wreck and had covid. Everyone will have had this by the time it's over.

I don’t remember them ever having testing stations for the flu .

Sorry to hear about that young man and I will for sure pray for him. I dont think anyone thinks that the virus isnt hitting some hard, because it is. What most are questioning is the real numbers and the way our governments are handling it. The facts are that the recovery rates are extremely high, and younger people like your wife's friend having such severe complications are very rare.

Also something to think about is that there are a lot of other co-morbidities besides being overweight. Asthma and drug use are just two. Lots and lots of data out there now that points to low vitamin D being a huge factor in how our bodies fight covid. People who work indoors will usually have lower levels of vitamin D.

Questions I would be screaming from the rooftops if that was my friend is what treatments did that young man receive ?? Did his doctors try ivermectin or HCQ ? Chances are they didnt, and in my opinion thats criminal. There is just to many doctors out there now saying those drugs are working miracles with covid patients.

Sorry but I don't believe this at all. Think of all the nursing home deaths. Reality is that most of those were nearing the end of their natural life anyway.


So these people don't count ? YOU are one I am describing Jerk so instead of nursing homes just shoot them instead . Or with ammo shortage throw them off a ship save bullets.

I have a friend who is a doctor in Cameroon. She was born in Nigeria. She is 72 years old. She has taken HCQ most of her life, with the exception of the years she spent here in school. She now has the virus and it is doubtful that she will survive.

But, this illustrates the problem with anecdotal evidence. I know her. you know someone else. We both have stories. But there are no control groups, or placebos, or regimented procedures involved.Just our individual stories.

Yes the drug has a long history and lots of folks have taken it. It may very well be safe for most people. But we don't have those real numbers derived in a controlled fashion.

It goes both ways byrd.

Honesty and money sometimes have a hard time seeing eye to eye.

I didn't put this in the vaccine thread just so some that had read that one may not read this.
First mouth all you want about it being a hoax !! YOUR WRONG !!
I had to get permission to post the events to follow. My wife is a teacher at a local college. The young guy in her dept that his office is next door to hers contracted covid in early Oct. He was 39 at the time. At first he had the basic symptoms. Cough fever aches. In 10 days he was in the ICU. In 5 days he was on a ventilator. Haven't gotten any news about him since last Thursday but the out look is grim. Been in a coma for almost 45 days!!!
So his parents haven't seen him since Oct 3. They haven't spoken to him since Oct 8. He turned 40 in November .
Ok little back ground He may have been carrying around 15 extra lbs. But how many on here aren't ? Before you stick out your chest and mouth off "I won't" "IT ain't real" stop and think or look for a face to put with this disease. All I ask.
I bit my lip some but not now that I am allowed to post his story.
This has really upset my wife as pre covid every morning she went to work he would say hello out his door as she walked by. The few times she goes in (restrictions) now there is just a sign on the door that says" Not available"

Think on this tragic events and curb your brashness , or don't people see your true character in the end !!

Jbyrd63

If you see fit please pray for this young man and his family ..
Or just dismiss this as a hoax God knows the truth ...............................................................

There was a good article on CBC TV last night. What is coming to light now is the after effects of having this disease. Covid Brain Fog
mull that over
and get back to me in an hour
Victims of C-19 if; you can remember that long

I have had a on-off headache for months since Covid. I have my physical in early January and I'll ask my internist. He will either know something because of advances discovered, or resort to his expert training in the past, or try something based on his expertise in the art of medicine. Or ask someone else = consult.
Like I offered, we are an educated society, and the ones who lack medical training can cut and paste from online, so all involved have beliefs and opinions. It's time educated individuals are shown what they know and what medical "experts" have discovered and what they do not know at this time. That's called honesty and integrity for the people.

Until then, we get restaurants closed while liquor stores are open. Church disallowed but street rallies allowed.
This isn't health doctrine. It's called tyranny.

I have had a on-off headache for months since Covid. I have my physical in early January and I'll ask my internist. He will either know something because of advances discovered, or resort to his expert training in the past, or try something based on his expertise in the art of medicine. Or ask someone else = consult.
Like I offered, we are an educated society, and the ones who lack medical training can cut and paste from online, so all involved have beliefs and opinions. It's time educated individuals are shown what they know and what medical "experts" have discovered and what they do not know at this time. That's called honesty and integrity for the people.

Until then, we get restaurants closed while liquor stores are open. Church disallowed but street rallies allowed.
This isn't health doctrine. It's called tyranny.

The “Science” that allows wrestlers to wrestle, but not Shake Hands just makes me shake my head.

Turkey wrangler One thing about the nursing homes. Those people have been in them for years . Some even decades. Survived the flu, colds , any other illnesses that man and nature had thrown at them. BUT when covid (or what ever folks believe) came thru the country they died by the thousands. Where most in there final days? Probably. But with covid they died alone and lonely. In the past when someone's life light was flickering for the last time the family and friends were able to say their goodbyes. The illness is bad enough, dying and not seeing your kids, grandkids for months is dreadful.

Isn't that the truth. The restaurant I always eat at doesn't serve any alcohol. They require a mask except while you're eating. Booths and tables are socially distanced apart. Limit of 4 per table. Hand sanitizers located throughout. After every table has been used, it's wiped down. Yet, they are forced closed.

Churches disallowed or limited to 25 people at a service. Casinos have unlimited access. Seriously???????

Oh for Pete's sakes!

BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful material. Wikipedia

And wiki is what?? What about the thousands of doctors who have signed the barrington declaration?? Are they crazy too?? What about the doctors in Alberta who sent letters to Kenny and did the recent interviews?? Are they crazy too??

Yukon, the amount of Alberta doctors that pleaded for a lockdown with Kenney was huge. The only interviews I saw from Albert doctors said their strategy was failing and that “Hope was not a solution”. Only the extreme far right is even happy in Alberta currently with Leadership popularity plummeting.

I’m sure there’s some number fudging for profit in the USA, but profit isn’t the name of the game when it comes to hospitals in a lot of the world.

I saw today the CDC is counting pneumonia and influenza deaths right along with Covid deaths all together. They must of got tired of being called out on it. The Rona is real, it's just the numbers are fake.

Did you really just compare covid to deaths in vietnam?

You know when someone dies in war they come home in a casket and the family knows that person died in war. There was no money to be made declaring someone died at war in Vietnam.

You know hospitals get between 13k and 39k for a covid case. Right?

You know influenza cases as measured by the CDC are at historical lows. Right? Wonder why?

I like you Bryce but that is the dumbest comparison I have ever seen and possibly one of the most offensive. As a war veteran, I will.........keep my mouth shut. I would get thrown off this site if I said what I want to say right now.

Thats why some bible thumpers play with poisinous snakes.

Naaaaaaa I just run them over with my truck

Alright Bryce, let's look at reality of monetary operating costs.

Most all of the hospitals changed gears and ramped up in anticipation of all the covid infections and began putting even minor outpatient surgeries on the back burner. They were also afraid of infecting their hospitals with covid so they limited the accepted patients to only the most necessary and covid patients.

Now how did that work out in the short term? Not real well. The covid infections did not bombard their doors and while it was a novel and exciting (in a weird way) for there to be a pandemic for hospital workers to handle, it just didn't happen.

So the money dried up on two fronts.

One was all the simple medical procedures that were outpatient stopped happening. A gigantic loss of revenue. I know for a fact that my own doctors office went to GREAT extremes to tell me how clean their office was when I expressed my reluctance to go to the doctor for my son's strep throat. So if someone was going to have a wart removed or even a simple physical, many of those patients cancelled and chose not to go into the hospital or doctor's office for fear of getting the covid.

Two was the covid patient numbers did not match the predictions. All the companies who switched gears during this great pandemic to manufacture ventilators to satiate the drastic need that was coming did so in vain. The hospitals were not overrun with covid and therefore didn't have the mass numbers of covid patients and also cut their own throats involuntarily by rejecting simple procedures that netted them lots of money. And then it was compounded by the large purchases made of the unneeded ventilators.

So how did it work out in the long tern?

So to help compensate for this massive loss, more doctors and hospitals labeled sicknesses as covid. Direct or related. And a medical diagnosis was NOT required for compensation from Medicare. Wonder why that happened to have such a loose requirement to receive so much money? ($13k-$39k) Yet, influenza requires a TESTING diagnosis for only $5k?

A death from covid should be exactly that. If someone has a morbid or chronic condition, as written extensively on their medical records, and they get covid and GOD forbid die with covid, then that is exactly what happened. They died with covid, NOT from covid. There are too many episodes out there to not see this is at least a 250 lb gorilla in the room.

Now my question to you mask people. If it is so important to people's health and so inconsiderate to not wear one, do you also tell fat people bellied up to a large pizza to stop eating because they are obese? Obesity is the number one cause of most health issues in this country and costs the tax payer massive amounts of money (much more than covid) and directly contributes to massive numbers of deaths. You won't die from their obesity, but you dang sure are gonna pay for it and all the health issues associated with it. And what if it is a fat mother with a fat child eating that large pizza. Do you scold that mother for her horrible parenting and how she is contributing to a lifetime of chronic medical issues for that child because she is so inconsiderate of her own child's life due to her selfish parenting skills?

Do you tell smokers to quit smoking because it will kill them and it is rude to make you breath their smoke? Imagine all the smokers who have died with a covid infection. Was it the cigarette that killed them or covid?

Now, there's some truth for you.

I get so tired of people thinking covid is the beast that devours all in it's path and if I don't wear a mask or get a vaccine, it is akin to me pushing them into the mouth of the beast. If you are older, stay home or go out in the early morning hours to get your stuff done then go home. If you have diabetes, are obese, have HBP, have cancer, or any other thing that limits your overall health, do the same.

Take care of YOURSELVES!! If you are fat, lose weight. If you smoke, stop smoking. If you drink too much, stop drinking. If you text while driving stop texting and driving. If you get out of breath walking to the refrigerator, go for a walk instead and start taking care of YOURSELF. If you are healthy you have an exponentially higher likelihood of surviving covid and dang near anything else.

Personal responsibility is ALSO a personal choice. Have you made that choice? Or do you keep blaming that other person?

It is fact that the 7th day Adventists live a longer life span than other faiths and culture as a whole. I know this because our MI family has long 7th day Adventists roots from way back. The devout affirm that the body is God's temple and as such, we need to keep it as good as we can.

And stats prove their case.

I never did drugs. I have never even tried a cigarette. I drink hardly ever unless it's really hot and there's a brewski with my name on it.
I never cared if they or them called me a geek, or uncool, or a nurd, or whatever all my life so the social pressure crowd didn't effect me. In fact, you tell me I must do this thing... I have so much pride in me.... I'll go the exact opposite way for sure.

Plus, all that "crappy lifestyle choices" looked to be harming the bodies of others as far as I could see. Scared me. I don't want to look 100 when I'm 40.

Others, maybe they didn't and still don't care.
You can't cover a lifetime of I didn't really take care of my body with a mask.

Greater than 94% of deaths attributed to covid have had comorbidities. I wonder if they would have survived if they would have taken their own personal health more serious?

I know some things can't be helped, I understand that. However, most of the conditions could have been prevented or at least been more subdued.

How many of you walk a mile a day? How many of you drink enough water during the day? How many of you eat healthy? How many of you take a multivitamin? How many of you get enough sleep?

These are VERY SMALL things to do that can make a dramatic change in your life. VERY SMALL!! VERY DRAMATIC!!

You need to be healthy, covid or not. If you are not, then what are you? Find something active to do.

Wasn't there a guy on here who got in shape by walking his trap line and not riding it? He had a BIG TIME change in his life by just walking and exerting himself while trapping.

I stay in shape for my wife and my children. It keeps me better motivated that way. If I don't stay in shape, I let them down. If I do it for me I will let myself down every time.

Get in better physical shape. Beat the covid. If you are in better shape, you won't worry so much about getting covid.

Yeah working out will save you. Why do the sports people get it. My wife had a cousin 52 succumb to the covid. He was a hard worker on highway construction and avid hunter. It killed him. I don't understand what it is you keep trying to prove. We have a 40 yr old farmer that was a picture of health been on vent for 4 weeks and the outcome is looking bleak. So now that you have almost exhausted your negativity you think if one gets it and dies then it must be their life style.

President Trump was the first I heard to compare it to war.

Take care of YOURSELVES!! If you are fat, lose weight. If you smoke, stop smoking. If you drink too much, stop drinking. If you text while driving stop texting and driving. If you get out of breath walking to the refrigerator, go for a walk instead and start taking care of YOURSELF. If you are healthy you have an exponentially higher likelihood of surviving covid and dang near anything else.

Personal responsibility is ALSO a personal choice. Have you made that choice? Or do you keep blaming that other person?

Yeah working out will save you. Why do the sports people get it. My wife had a cousin 52 succumb to the covid. He was a hard worker on highway construction and avid hunter. It killed him. I don't understand what it is you keep trying to prove. We have a 40 yr old farmer that was a picture of health been on vent for 4 weeks and the outcome is looking bleak. So now that you have almost exhausted your negativity you think if one gets it and dies then it must be their life style.

President Trump was the first I heard to compare it to war.

Well said. This has been an opportunity missed by our public health folks to talk about HEALTH not just Illness.

Its about reducing (not eliminating) risk. Physical fitness and improved health reduces your risk

Two ways to look at exercise. Yes in moderation it is good for you. BUT some medical people now realize your back has only so many bends in it. Your heart has only so many beats in it. Over use it and it will wear out. LOL then you die also ! So eat some kale , eat some powder donuts , MMM still going to croak.
BUT joking aside not ALL medical problems can be avoided with diet and exercise. During the summer of her 17th birthday I don't think my wife did anything to bring on type 1 diabetes !! Her granny and her momma both had it ..

You have some AWESOME parents!! I hope I have their attitude when I am their age.

I wish more people on here had their attitude.