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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: tomahawker]
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02/18/20 10:47 AM
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Folks no matter how you slice it, this is an end around to hurt, regulate, ban hunting. YES!! And so is not managing apex predators!
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: walleye101]
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02/18/20 12:04 PM
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Banning lead to save eagles is a solution looking for a problem. More and more eagles are dying from lead poisoning because there are more eagles and eagles have to dye sometime somehow. The fact that the eagle population has continued to grow is an indication that lead poisoning is not a significant problem. A lot more eagles are killed by cars now than we killed back in the 1960's because there are a lot more eagles now. Unless eagle numbers were declining, and they are not, these sources of mortality are simply compensatory, nothing to be concerned about. I guess the same thing could be said for hand guns, they are helping with population control, so why ban them. LOL
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: danny clifton]
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02/18/20 12:22 PM
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When I was a kid shooting hawks owls and eagles was a good thing. It was a pretty common idea of conservation to kill predators. The boy scout handbook had a drawing of a kid shooting a bobcat in it. There was a lot more small game too. A lot more.
Here in KS deer were scarce. They all got ate in the depression years. At least the ones that didn't die drought related deaths.
The fact remains nobody really knows if DDT effects bird eggs. It effects insect populations though. Just like pesticide used today. You know the pricey stuff that replaced DDT. No bugs means a lot of ground nesting birds don't eat much. Used to be real common to see scissortails , whippoorwills , prairie chickens , bob white quail and meadowlarks here in my part of KS. Over the course of the 40 years I have lived here I estimate the populations have dropped 80-90%. Rabbits and muskrats the same thing.
Hawks owls and eagles are everywhere. Time to start killing them again. I have been banding Hawks at Whitefish Point for almost 50 years in the Spring. You can go up on the dunes and find old shot gun shells but only the metal end. People use to go up and shoot the hawk. I have been to Dodge City several time also Liberal, Garden City, Great Bend to hunt with my birds. One thing I notice in the place in KS I have been in, not a lot of trees. We always found rabbits and Jacks. May not have been in the number you remember but a lot more than I have in my area. While in Great Bend I did not see an ungodly number of birds, but again you can see for miles. With the ban of DDT came the decline of the thin eggshells. Any landscape can only support so much game when the load gets to great the numbers will drop. JMO
To Old
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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02/18/20 01:00 PM
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DDT and PCB's are very definitely proven reproductive inhibitor's. Most heavy metals are toxic. Lead Paints took a heavy toll on children that ingested it.Eagles are not the only thing adversely affected; loons are another example.. The lead in pewter cups proved to be fatal..We need to stop pulling the wool over our eyes, I'm not some idiot liberal. The problem is very real and needs to be addressed.
As for birds of prey being federally protected, I'm not so sure about that, they take a heavy toll on small game, birds, mink, muskrats, etc.
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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02/18/20 03:19 PM
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Lead is everywhere in the US environment. I suspect almost none of the lead found in eagles came from lead bullets. Lead in eagles is probably mostly from fish they consume. The fish eagles prefer to eat, like salmon and carp all store lead in their fat. Alaska, Idaho, Montana, and Washington have the most naturally ocurring lead in the US and most of the salmon too. The water in those states has high amounts of dissolved lead in many of the streams salmon are in. Retention ponds, where carp are common, have huge amounts of lead dust that washed there from automobiles.
Missouri is another state with high levels of lead. Eagles eat the ducks that pick up the lead from the water, when they travel through that flyway.
Keith
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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02/18/20 05:31 PM
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i dont really care if a few die. there are plenty of them and the population is growing. its time to start culling a few more anyway
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: DelawareRob]
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02/18/20 06:16 PM
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Is Eagle salami better than Loon? Not as much meat, but I think it makes good jerky Hmm...never would have thought of that 
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Re: Eagles and Lead
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02/18/20 06:28 PM
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Is Eagle salami better than Loon? It's closer to California Condor, with just a hint of Spotted Owl.  Keith Geez!!! I need a pen and a recipe card .... Spotted owl sounds delish!
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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02/18/20 08:11 PM
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Talk about want to cut some number down, lets open a no season no limit on White Tail Deer. Outside of a food source they are worthless. 50,000 car deer accidents in Mi. in 2019. 17 death, crop damage in the Millions, damage to flower, trees and scrubs who knows. Lost two friends that hit a deer with a motorcycle. I think Mi. is #5 on the list. JMO
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Re: Eagles and Lead
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02/18/20 08:12 PM
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Talk about want to cut some number down, lets open a no season no limit on White Tail Deer. Outside of a food source they are worthless. 50,000 car deer accidents in Mi. in 2019. 17 death, crop damage in the Millions, damage to flower, trees and scrubs who knows. Lost two friends that hit a deer with a motorcycle. I think Mi. is #5 on the list. JMO Terrific idea IMO, so is thinning down raptors.
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Re: Eagles and Lead
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02/18/20 08:17 PM
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If all the deer died tonight I wouldn't miss them. They have raised the price of tags so high here its not really much of a money saver anymore to eat them.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Eagles and Lead
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never ever ever ever had bald eagles here until a few years ago...…….thought it was pretty cool to see one when they first showed up...not so much now. they are not our national symbol...wish we could kill them.
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Re: Eagles and Lead
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02/18/20 08:31 PM
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Talk about want to cut some number down, lets open a no season no limit on White Tail Deer. Outside of a food source they are worthless. 50,000 car deer accidents in Mi. in 2019. 17 death, crop damage in the Millions, damage to flower, trees and scrubs who knows. Lost two friends that hit a deer with a motorcycle. I think Mi. is #5 on the list. JMO I agree that the numbers of deer need thinned also, they do a lot of property damage. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if both deer and BOP became a rare sight again.
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