Re: Anti Trapping legislation in Kentucky
[Re: rex123]
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12/09/19 05:52 AM
12/09/19 05:52 AM
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varmintshooter
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Coyotes and beaver are your best friends. Farmers, ranchers, sheep, goats, pigs, cattle. Get these folks calling. Even pet owners who lost pets to coyotes. USDA Wildlife Services can't politic but can give out research information, USDA Ag,
Beaver, timber companies, Soil and water, private timber growers, DOT flooded roads, fields, houses.
You won't have but a handful of trappers, but with these folks you will have hundreds. Most big timber co have their own lobbyist as does many farm and ranching groups.
We went through the same thing several years ago and won. The houndsmen lobbyist even brought in the head of the Humane Society to speak against trapping.
When it directly effects a persons wallet they get interested
Disease, rabies, distemper, rodent population explosions, human attacks.
Protecting other wildlife populations, songbirds, Low ground and ground nesting birds, saving protected habitat, mitigation sites, ground water, runoff, flood control, Fish migrations affected by beaver dams.
Farmers, certified crops, can't have but so much animal waste in a field, crop damage from coons, coyotes, fox, groundhogs, etc.
Let other groups do your work
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Re: Anti Trapping legislation in Kentucky
[Re: varmintshooter]
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12/09/19 07:32 AM
12/09/19 07:32 AM
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It's been several years ago now, but my son was a youngster attending the Hunter Safety Course here in Kentucky. I went along, of course. I hadn't been myself in almost three decades, so I was curious as to how it was handled. To my surprise, they even had a trapping segment. I thought it was strange how a particular gentleman that was not one of the volunteer instructors, had a discussion with the one preparing to talk about trapping. This fellow then had a seat at the front of the room. The volunteer began to talk about trapping, and painted a horrible picture of the sport, talking in vivid detail how a Conibear works, what raccoons sometimes do in a foothold, how every animal including coyotes, foxes, and even bobcats will chew (which is an outright lie), and that if you're going to engage in such an endeavor, then you should check your traps 6 or 7 times per day. There was more, but that was the gist of it. I'll never forgive myself for not speaking up at that moment, but I was furious, and was afraid if I lost my temper in front of everyone the discussion would get uncivilized quick, and I would do more harm than good. I kept looking at the horrified looks of the children and the parents in the room, and it was like a bad dream. After he was finished speaking, the man that was seated at the front of the room, got up, shook the instructors' hands, and left. I found out later he was a representative from the KY Houndsmen. I called United Trappers of Kentucky immediately following that class, and they went to work, and I was fielding calls from the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources that next week, who wanted names and details, and who supposedly conducted their own investigation. I was even called at a later date by the head of the Hunting Education training department, an avid trapper, to make sure I was satisfied. I was told the instructors were reprimanded and re-educated, but I'll never know if anything at all ever happened. I've also thought a lot over the years about how many kids' minds were poisoned against our way of life before and after that time. With this proposed legislation I can see now that this plan has been in the works for many years.
Does anyone know how long we have before this goes up for a vote? If this passes, I believe also it is definitely worded where it can be applied to footholds as well. We will become the great cage trapping state of Kentucky.
It blows my mind how ignorant an outdoors group can be to not realize they are in bed with the enemy, and that they are being used as a means to an end. The Anti's will not stop until they have every form of hunting stopped.
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Re: Anti Trapping legislation in Kentucky
[Re: Donnie Shafer]
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12/09/19 01:56 PM
12/09/19 01:56 PM
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Pawbracelets7
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Here's a little gem for you to ruminate on. Taken straight from the Kentucky Houndsmen Associations Facebook page, October 29, 2019:" Good news!! The proposal to extend the trapping season for furbearers into the month of March has been pulled. This means that although it was PASSED by the KDFW Commissioners, it will not be sent on to the State Rep. Outdoors Committee. I can only assume that they didn't think it would have enough support to be passed out of the Outdoors Committee with their approval. Thank you to the men that attended the Commission meetings in opposition to this proposal, your help and support is much appreciated. UNITED WE STAND, Doug Johnson, President, KY Houndsmen Association." The extended season was approved for this past March in leu of an extremely rainy winter here. Many landowners, some unable to access parts of their land especially in Western KY, were and are dependent on trappers to remove problem beaver that have flooded farm lanes and fields. Many problem beaver were removed by various trappers, including the United Trappers of KY Beaver Brigade. There were a lot of happy landowners this past spring due to ability of KY trappers solving wildlife problems with equipment that has scientific research support. On the other hand from the KY houndsmen Association website:" WORKING ON YOUR BEHALF" "Houndsmen are the backbone of the hunting industry which is the mainstay of KY economics." Funny considering this group constantly opposes any regulation change that would benefit not only landowners, the general public, but also their selves. From the president: "My philosophy: Work hard to improve the rich heritage we have now, work harder to preserve it for the generations to come and always be a positive influence." Hard to justify being a positive influence when you're working against the farmers that feed everyone. This organization only proves it is self serving and is not for sportsmen, outdoorsmen, or anyone that isn't houndsmen. Your talk talks but your walk talks louder.
Darkness flees in the presence of light. Jesus Christ, lighting the way for over 2000 years.
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Re: Anti Trapping legislation in Kentucky
[Re: Donnie Shafer]
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12/11/19 06:42 PM
12/11/19 06:42 PM
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To all of you that have helped on this Thank You. If several of you all across the country have few words to say about how important and necessary for wildlife management traps “ with springs” are it’d be good for her to hear it. She did not come up with this on her own. She is being coached. I believe if she were inundated with emails she may do a little thinking about it. So far she has not replied to our request to discuss it. Here’s her contact info. https://legislature.ky.gov/Legislators/Pages/Legislator-Profile.aspx?DistrictNumber=136
Last edited by kytrapper; 12/11/19 07:03 PM. Reason: Added link
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Re: Anti Trapping legislation in Kentucky
[Re: Donnie Shafer]
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12/12/19 08:19 AM
12/12/19 08:19 AM
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Pawbracelets7
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Thanks to you Steve. KY trappers owe a lot to guys like Chet and you. Most good things are accomplished by folks behind the scenes, working their tails off, that others never hear or know about. Every end of the season barn picture and every fur check, you guys play an important part. Without the sacrifice of personal time and energy a lot of KY men, women, boys , and girls wouldn't get to enjoy some of the great trapping experiences we have here in KY. We still have some antiquated regulations here, but through your efforts we have left many behind us. Most of the ones left, to my understanding are the result of political compensation and posturing, not actual wildlife management related. Lets hope this current situation can be an inspiration for other trappers in KY to pick up their own cause and get these regulations changed for the betterment of trappers in our state. Again thank you for all you've done for trappers in KY. We're the better for people like you.
Darkness flees in the presence of light. Jesus Christ, lighting the way for over 2000 years.
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Re: Anti Trapping legislation in Kentucky
[Re: kytrapper]
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01/08/20 02:48 AM
01/08/20 02:48 AM
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Great news! She pulled the bill today. Thanks to all that helped That's awesome!!! So, that's it for this round? Do you feel like they were just testing the waters and a new amended one will be forthcoming? I know personally I'm not okay giving up anymore ground but they always chip away slowly, starting with the usage of conibears on public land.
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