Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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11/02/19 06:18 PM
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I just checked your regs yote.you got all kinds of trapping restrictions we don't have here.For example-you cant set traps within 100 feet of a road,your snares and bodygrips have to be half submerged,traps have to have tags,,and a bunch of other restrictions we don't have here. The only trap we cannot use here is traps with teeth,and that is irrelevant as those traps are obsolete and have been for many years here with the development of better footholds. Not sure what regs you're reading but they're not mine. Our traps and snares do not need to be half submerged. We can set 330s on land if we want and no restrictions on snares. They do need tagged though. U better read yr 2019 trapping regs for snares. Boco is correct about having to be half submerged.
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
[Re: mink99]
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11/02/19 07:12 PM
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But they did bail out the ranch sector-and cut the wfsc loose. How did saga bail out mink ranchers? Basically saga took the blackglama name and said to the North American mink rancher we will allow you to sell your better mink with our poorer mink. Most of you don't realize that a lot of mink ranchers are owed money too. Some up into the millions of dollars. Saga has agreed to lend mink ranchers money and than let them sell under them. How is that not a bail out? If not what are they lending them money for? Ranch mink and the ranchers sunk nafa. Seems like herman picked a good time to retire, also seems odd....
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/02/19 07:15 PM
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Kingrat is that your interview with CBC Saskatoon on NAFA ?
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjl787c1MzlAhWvUt8KHQ9iBnAQFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fsaskatoon%2Fnorth-american-fur-auctions-can-t-guarantee-wild-fur-sale-1.5344486&usg=AOvVaw0g9OikWT8f2Yh18CQW4fcM
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
[Re: mink99]
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11/02/19 07:21 PM
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So what you are saying is the Board of Directors controlled by mink ranchers did not approve of these expenditures?
I need names to know who was on the board of directors to know if they were in fact mink ranchers. The final say always came down to Herman and mike. Seems mink ranchers owned the biggest share of nafa, but did they control the daily workings? You can slice it anyway you want but the Canadian mink breeders and the U. S. mink breeders select people to sit on the Board somehow, someway and they should have veto power over the CEO. Unless the board just let the CEO make these big decisions, which again is/was a mistake.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/02/19 07:44 PM
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Not sure what regs you're reading but they're not mine. Our traps and snares do not need to be half submerged. We can set 330s on land if we want and no restrictions on snares. They do need tagged though.
U better read yr 2019 trapping regs for snares. Boco is correct about having to be half submerged. Naw, I'm quite familiar with my laws.... those stipulations are in regards to traps set within 100' of the road, on private land. IF your traps are set on private land, within 100 feet of the road, THEN the snares and bodygrippers must be halfway submerged. Basically, they don't want coyotes dancing around on the shoulder of the road for every soccer mom to freak out over.
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/02/19 07:51 PM
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Kingrat is that your interview with CBC Saskatoon on NAFA ?
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjl787c1MzlAhWvUt8KHQ9iBnAQFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fsaskatoon%2Fnorth-american-fur-auctions-can-t-guarantee-wild-fur-sale-1.5344486&usg=AOvVaw0g9OikWT8f2Yh18CQW4fcM Nope
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/02/19 08:23 PM
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Boco, you can be a wealth of knowledge, then a "what-the-****?". A 30 year old publication is certainly not relevant, today. And wissmiss points out a very prudent point: are you talking value, (as in hammer prices, sans govt. subsidies that the states don't enjoy, total pelts produced for market at auction, total furbearer harvest, or what?
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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The bank is a secured creditor. Their obligation is to ensure that NAFA has the collateral to foreclose on in case things don't work out. I think they are doing this.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/02/19 09:46 PM
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Never met a banker that knew diddley about fur.
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/02/19 09:52 PM
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Its all there AV,and that encyclopedia of the fur trade is the best info available today.It covers the entire trade form the 1600's up to and including the 20th century And yes the numbers are fur pelts.30 years is a short time in the big picture and would not change the numbers in any way. If you don't want to look it up,give me a species and I will look it up.It gives the numbers of fur pelts in percentage between Canada and the USA.Some species obviously are produced more in the usa but taken overall Canadas trappers produced as much or more with 1\10th of the trappers. Here are a few.This is for the 20th century when fur was booming compared to now. Racoons are harvested in numbers 26 times greater than the Canadian raccoon harvest. The Canadian fisher harvest fluctuated from 68 to 100 percent of the entire NA harvest. The Canadian marten harvest is 68 percent of the entire NA harvest in any decade. The American harvest of muskrats is 62% of the totals. The Canadian beaver harvest fluctuated from 55% to 72 % of the totals The Canadian harvest of otters was Dominated by Canada before 1970 with 51 to 66%,after 1970 USA has produced 54%. The Canadian harvest of cats is between 86 and 90% of the total NA harvest.
That is just a few.
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/02/19 09:57 PM
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when you say cats your only talking about lynx then? what about coyote harvest?
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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Coyote was dominated by Canada earlier in the 20th century at 66% later declining to less than 20%
Bobcats nearly the same percentage but for the US.
weasels-70% Canadian
Skunks 89% American
red squirrels near 100% Canadian.
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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Hurt - Trappers are going to be reluctant to ship fur any place where they loose control over it.
Country buyers and trappers sales are going to see more business because Trappers want to have cash in hand before they let go of their pelts.
No they won't wissmiss, several of us on here been telling horror storys of NAFA and how crooked they are/were for 20 years, trapper's just kept shipping to them year after year. They might sell local this year but by next all will be forgotten and they'll be back shipping here and there.
I see enough awards handed out at trapping events every year that lets me know trapper's have very very short memory's.
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/02/19 10:22 PM
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Hurt - Trappers are going to be reluctant to ship fur any place where they loose control over it.
Country buyers and trappers sales are going to see more business because Trappers want to have cash in hand before they let go of their pelts.
No they won't wissmiss, several of us on here been telling horror storys of NAFA and how crooked they are/were for 20 years, trapper's just kept shipping to them year after year. They might sell local this year but by next all will be forgotten and they'll be back shipping here and there.
I see enough awards handed out at trapping events every year that lets me know trapper's have very very short memory's. Been saying the same thing, and agree with everything you said except people forgetting in a year. In a years time there will only be Fha and they will only handle so much fur, not likely to give advances so less incentive for trappers to ship. I think there will be a monopoly on a few items, coon and western cats specifically
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/02/19 10:48 PM
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I have a credit for October auction proceeds. Anyone know what that’s from?
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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Its all there AV,and that encyclopedia of the fur trade is the best info available today.It covers the entire trade form the 1600's up to and including the 20th century And yes the numbers are fur pelts.30 years is a short time in the big picture and would not change the numbers in any way. If you don't want to look it up,give me a species and I will look it up.It gives the numbers of fur pelts in percentage between Canada and the USA.Some species obviously are produced more in the usa but taken overall Canadas trappers produced as much or more with 1\10th of the trappers. Here are a few.This is for the 20th century when fur was booming compared to now. Racoons are harvested in numbers 26 times greater than the Canadian raccoon harvest. The Canadian fisher harvest fluctuated from 68 to 100 percent of the entire NA harvest. The Canadian marten harvest is 68 percent of the entire NA harvest in any decade. The American harvest of muskrats is 62% of the totals. The Canadian beaver harvest fluctuated from 55% to 72 % of the totals The Canadian harvest of otters was Dominated by Canada before 1970 with 51 to 66%,after 1970 USA has produced 54%. The Canadian harvest of cats is between 86 and 90% of the total NA harvest.
That is just a few. ...and who gathered all this data?
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/03/19 08:34 AM
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I have a credit for October auction proceeds. Anyone know what that’s from? So do I. Looks like some private treaty sales have occurred. Interesting that they are still updating financial statements in Novermber.
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