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Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624146
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Small plots like you have you can do by hand out of a trailer or truck. Spread by shovel, or dry blow it off with a leaf blower. Your not doing that large of an area. Pel Lime is not the answer unless money does not matter and we have found it does not last. We do about 25 - 30 acres of plots on our land each year and we went bulk lime and it last 4-5 years, depending on rotation etc. 2000 lb per acre is not out of line but your PH level is not that low compared to what ours was. But we opened up large land areas for plots. vary from 1/2 to 8 acres. We looked at many options. We slightly modified but a ground driven small manure spreader does the job well for us. Don't forget lime leaches as well. If money is not the option and you could then rent it out look into the Rhino Limer Black River Falls WI made for your purpose. Good luck.

Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6624172
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Originally Posted by TreedaBlackdog
Can you get a lime truck out to your plots?

ENM (effective neutralizing material) of your lime would need to be figured - generally the quarry will know it. Soil test will tell you how much ENM you will need to reach your pH goal. Lime is cheap, trucking and spreading will cost as much usually. I would not hesitate to put 3 tons per acre down and probably opt for 4 ton as I don't want to address the issue for another few years.

If no truck access - pellet lime is your only option and does have a better ENM calculation - bag should say on it - but again you may be packing 4o-50 or more bags with you on an atv. You generally can not put down too much lime unless it begins to look like a gravel road....


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Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624174
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I may just shovel some on. I would like something that will last a couple of years. It sounds like you really get to much on. The clover has only been planted for a couple of weeks. This is my first real attempt at this so hopefully it goes halfway right and I can learn from the mistakes I make.


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Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: M.Magis] #6624178
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Originally Posted by M.Magis
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Please video the spreader truck . It will blow up you tube . Big truck sitting still slinging lime in dust cloud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not one person has suggested a lime spreader truck.
And it seems you're making stuff up as you go, 200 lbs on over an acre? Top dressing 200 lbs of even pelletized lime isn't going to much of anything. If you don't know what you're talking about, why are you here trying to make fun of those that do?



WRONG !!!! Been doing this for 40 years. That's the problem with lots of people they are basing lime application on dry powder form spread in a cloud of dust and which is mostly washed off with a hard rain.Plus the potency (as stated ) is no where as strong. The pelletized form is about 15- 20 times more efficient than lime in dust form . The rain activates it and it dissolves much slower . Therefore run off is less of an issue. Another question is that NO ONE has mentioned is when and how the PH test was taken. was it one grab from one plot. Or was it 3-6 composite FROM EACH ONE ???? How long has it been since he fertilized? When was the last rain. You will be surprised how much money is wasted just because someone says " oh throw some lime on it "!!!!! That was my first question . IF the clover looks healthy AND it is a pain to get to the fields why bother? BUT on that small of an area 200 lbs of PELLETIZED lime will change the PH quite a bit based on the FACTORS I mentioned... PLUS what type of clover . Some thrive in lower PH than others. The plants themselves will tell you more than the "grab soil test"

Hope you know the difference in a "grab " versus composite"

Now still wonder if I know what I'm talking about .......................

Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: jbyrd63] #6624188
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63


WRONG !!!! Been doing this for 40 years. That's the problem with lots of people they are basing lime application on dry powder form spread in a cloud of dust and which is mostly washed off with a hard rain.Plus the potency (as stated ) is no where as strong. The pelletized form is about 15- 20 times more efficient than lime in dust form . The rain activates it and it dissolves much slower . Therefore run off is less of an issue. Another question is that NO ONE has mentioned is when and how the PH test was taken. was it one grab from one plot. Or was it 3-6 composite FROM EACH ONE ???? How long has it been since he fertilized? When was the last rain. You will be surprised how much money is wasted just because someone says " oh throw some lime on it "!!!!! That was my first question . IF the clover looks healthy AND it is a pain to get to the fields why bother? BUT on that small of an area 200 lbs of PELLETIZED lime will change the PH quite a bit based on the FACTORS I mentioned... PLUS what type of clover . Some thrive in lower PH than others. The plants themselves will tell you more than the "grab soil test"

Hope you know the difference in a "grab " versus composite"

Now still wonder if I know what I'm talking about .......................



No, I still know you're FOS. I think most people here know that, you make it more clear with everything you say. Not sure what would posses a grown man to troll a trapping website, but that seems to be your thing.

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Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624193
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I had 2 plots tested 3 of them are close together the other 2 are about 1/4 mile away I tested one plot from each area getting soil from four different areas in the plot one checked 5.3 the other 5.4.


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Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624218
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https://www.braenstone.com/agricultural-limestone-vs-pelletized-lime/


Well I was wrong on one thing .Pelletized lime is only ten times more effective than agr lime . Based on this info and you say he needs 2000 lbs of agr lime than you just proved me right since pelletized is 10 times more effective. But since there is no blow away with the pellet form it may be even more EFFECTIVE .....
So guess you are right if you say 2000 lbs of dusty nasty lime is what he needs. With the ease it takes to scatter 200 lbs of pellet versus 2000lb of powder be in and out before even get powder loaded.
(pelletized) (powder /agri)
So you want to say 200 lbs of pelletized won't help him now ???????? 200 times 10 = 2000

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Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624219
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Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: M.Magis] #6624222
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Originally Posted by M.Magis
Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Please video the spreader truck . It will blow up you tube . Big truck sitting still slinging lime in dust cloud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not one person has suggested a lime spreader truck.
And it seems you're making stuff up as you go, 200 lbs on over an acre? Top dressing 200 lbs of even pelletized lime isn't going to much of anything. If you don't know what you're talking about, why are you here trying to make fun of those that do?




https://www.braenstone.com/agricultural-limestone-vs-pelletized-lime/

based on this 200 lbs may be plenty heck I said 4or 5 that's 250 if he goes with 5.
Not making fun of anyone but heck braenstone just been doing this since 1904 so bet they are FOS too................

Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624229
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http://www.google.com/shopping/product/673330331819057283?lsf=seller:7636470,store:16197576235712384822&prds=oid:12249334535278233228&q=pelletized+lime+tractor+supply&hl=en&ei=3oSKXYDDAe-l_Qam7Z2wAQ&lsft=gclid:EAIaIQobChMIi8WZj67q5AIVF-DICh1P2A6OEAQYASABEgLe0PD_BwE#spf=1569359077742

This is todays prices here at local coop 3.97 for 40 lbs. Tractor supply is a little cheaper. Tens bags which I think is more than you need is only 39 bucks plus tax and with a pull behind lawn spreader take you maybe a half hour to spread . It would take me 2 weeks to spread 4000 lb of dust lime which is the amount that would equal the benefits of the 10 bags.....

Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624328
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Wish I knew how to put a pic on here. My soil test report has below all the test results a area that's Fetilizer& Limestone Recommendations lbs / 1000sg ft )
Below that it has NPK and off on the far right side LIME, on mine it is 75 which means 75 lbs per 1000 sq ft. Yours doesn't have something like this?

Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624336
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Soil test was done by kansas state university. The guy that done it accompanied it with a letter stating his recommendation for potassium and phosphorus. He just said the ph was a little low and I should consider adding some lime he didn't say how much or what kind . The guy in coop said 10 or 12 bags of pellets for my 1.3 acres. I believe he said 1000 lbs per acre of regular lime.


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Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624357
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Sent ya a pm. On my garden it tested at 5.5 and the recommendation was 75lbs of lime for every 1000 sq ft, so in my case that was 225lbs, I pit down 6 bags of pel lime. I have clay soil, I'd think if you would figure out the sq ft of each plot you would be close. Your not farming and trying to earn a living off of it just feedin bambi. Just my .02

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Originally Posted by larrywaugh
Soil test was done by kansas state university. The guy that done it accompanied it with a letter stating his recommendation for potassium and phosphorus. He just said the ph was a little low and I should consider adding some lime he didn't say how much or what kind . The guy in coop said 10 or 12 bags of pellets for my 1.3 acres. I believe he said 1000 lbs per acre of regular lime.


That will do it . I would then hit it with 0-20-20 fertilizer as soon as rain is forecast. 3-4 sunny days after and you can stand and watch it grow..

Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: M.Magis] #6624404
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Originally Posted by M.Magis
Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Please video the spreader truck . It will blow up you tube . Big truck sitting still slinging lime in dust cloud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not one person has suggested a lime spreader truck.
And it seems you're making stuff up as you go, 200 lbs on over an acre? Top dressing 200 lbs of even pelletized lime isn't going to much of anything. If you don't know what you're talking about, why are you here trying to make fun of those that do?

Hey now, easy....
He kilt 2 big bucks one year. He obviously knows what he's doing wink


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Yes and Bucks n bears claimed on here he has killed over 400 deer. Then an older gentleman figured that he had to average around 16 per year. He left that thread so fast his shadow didn't know where he went

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Lot easier to grow a lawn than sweet food plots in the woods, compared to bitter undesirable plots. Fertilizer and lime done correctly makes more desirable feed. Do what you wish. Good Luck.

Re: Adding lime to a food plot [Re: larrywaugh] #6624494
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Old manure spreaders work well. I have spread 100’s of tons with them over the past couple decades. Ag lime is by far the cheapest way to go but not always the best for every situation. You will need about 2000# of lime total on your plots to start to raise the ph. Don’t fall for all the claims one is better than the next just get some lime on it sooner the better. I spread 2 ton per acre on my plots every few years to raise the ph up to 6.8 for alfalfa with ag lime with a spreader rented from the local co-op. 50# bags are the best for small plots just put on what your wallet can justify. Good luck


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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Yes and Bucks n bears claimed on here he has killed over 400 deer. Then an older gentleman figured that he had to average around 16 per year. He left that thread so fast his shadow didn't know where he went


Sometimes people tell the truth and other won't believe them. Some people might think they all had to be in a regulated season. Killing over 400 deer is not that hard when culling a cwd deer pen, removing nuisance urban deer etc....

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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Ok guys remember he has FIVE 5 plots that total 1.3 acres. Geez that's two yards in a subdivision. You want him to roll up in an agr spreading truck. Forget the formulas, scientific notations, dept of agriculture proposes , just get you 4-5 bags of pelletized lime spread it until you run out . Pray for rain before it frost or freezes . Then set in your stand a shoot a deer.
Lot of things more difficult than making your clover green and grow faster .................


I would request you go back and read my question - I asked if he could access the area with a lime truck. Why would you need it to rain? With your expertise, you should know it takes months for lime to initiate any change in soil pH. Most deer seasons will be over before you see any change in the soil acidity.

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