bass10, it was not mentioned, but it was thought of, thats the only reason it comes up, if you have not read it any where before your blinded by the light, LOL

It's not made up BS as you incline to state, and has come up here many times when people get ready to hunt and find them selves out of their favorite passage of hunting.

Yea he should be bummed out but not unexpectedly, however he should not be bummed out at the owners for locking it up or leasing it and thats always the end rant about losing it. People should always be prepared for this really as most land owners where there is ample game moving around will eventually move to this to make something on the ground while it sits idle in the winter. I'd venture that trapping ground is going to end up the same way eventually, especially when owners start paying attention to good price years, they like most trappers will assume that it's going to hold for the next year or so and will price it accordingly.

Because they have always done it they feel it should always be so.

"Yea there are leases bought up for that, and they are the more expensive ones and larger piece's of ground, however there are quite a lot of hunters who do band together just to hunt without having to have jack wad general hunters run rough shod all over the country just cause they are used to doing so !"

LOL, that's who get the deer moving around here. I wouldn't say they are running rough shod through the area.....may have got there late, may need to leave early, may be soaked, may be cold etc.

One thing I always stress to a landowner when getting permission to trap is I don't want exclusive rights to it. I always figure a young kid may want in there and I would never want to get in the way of that. I actually chastised a few for not letting others on.
I guess if a kid wants to hunt that area that's leased he better be related or come from a wealthy family.

I am lucky that most people around my country still have a brain and realize that someone needs to trap to keep the critters under control. We can party hunt deer in iowa and for a couple weeks in december the deer hunters have run of whatever they want to hunt, after that I can do as I please again. I just cant wrap my head around paying money to hunt anything I suppose

Once you pay it is business. The key is that leases affect the locals. Farmer Joe likes the grocery store, gas station, and schools but wants to lease his ground to the big city man. Need help and are in a pinch? Call the city man you are leasing to and have him help you out. Way to many local kids have stopped hunting because of leasing.

I think if my money is taken from me by force and given to a landowner in the form of a subsidy, then that piece of ground should be public access. Ranches all over the west stay in business because of cheap pasture known as blm. Why should subsidized crop producers be any different?

That's a very good point.

No beaver to speak of on these flowages.

"bass10, it was not mentioned, but it was thought of, thats the only reason it comes up, if you have not read it any where before your blinded by the light, LOL"


You must be psychic, your reading minds. But yes, it sucks- I just feel like a peasant going past the kings woods. don't blame anyone for doing so though.


"Because they have always done it they feel it should always be so."


My line over the last 40 years surely changed, I lost some, gained some, some got better, some got worse, I have dealt with it.

same thing has happened here too. 40 years ago you couldn't hunt all of the land you had permission on in 1 day. now we can start in the morning and be done by noon.