Re: PA Pheasant issues
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wasn't the muslims was it? Probably....let's ask Hudsonfur
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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MacFarlane pheasants: https://www.pheasant.comHas dozens of videos and FAQs on pheasants from all aspects of rearing, to improving habitat and predator control. They have several seminars, you can attend, on pheasants a year. I have bought many thousands of pheasant chicks from MacFarlane since 1998 and have never had any problems with them. If you subscribe to their email list, they will offer you high hen mixes, great for restocking for as little as 5 cents each, plus shipping. They sell overhatch, straight run pheasant chicks for as low as 50 cents each. They always have high hen mixes for 20 cents each for 500 to 1000 and 15 cents each over 1000. Keith
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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MacFarlane pheasants: https://www.pheasant.comHas dozens of videos and FAQs on pheasants from all aspects of rearing, to improving habitat and predator control. They have several seminars, you can attend, on pheasants a year. I have bought many thousands of pheasant chicks from MacFarlane since 1998 and have never had any problems with them. If you subscribe to their email list, they will offer you high hen mixes, great for restocking for as little as 5 cents each, plus shipping. They sell overhatch, straight run pheasant chicks for as low as 50 cents each. They always have high hen mixes for 20 cents each for 500 to 1000 and 15 cents each over 1000. Keith That'll fix it.....
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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02/08/19 12:24 AM
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MacFarlane pheasants: https://www.pheasant.comHas dozens of videos and FAQs on pheasants from all aspects of rearing, to improving habitat and predator control. They have several seminars, you can attend, on pheasants a year. I have bought many thousands of pheasant chicks from MacFarlane since 1998 and have never had any problems with them. If you subscribe to their email list, they will offer you high hen mixes, great for restocking for as little as 5 cents each, plus shipping. They sell overhatch, straight run pheasant chicks for as low as 50 cents each. They always have high hen mixes for 20 cents each for 500 to 1000 and 15 cents each over 1000. Keith Sounds like a pretty good deal, pretty cheap. I would suspect that the PGC would never bite. They would probably pas on that to spend $20 on a bird that had half a tail and won't fly let alone breed. ….. Just say'in.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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Ohio releases cocks only in many of our hunting areas, which if anything, hurts breeding pheasants in the area, by giving wild hens competition for food and cover. Most studies I have read say that released birds have about a 95% mortality rate within 1 year of release. 5% is still some pheasants to start recruitment. People I have sold pheasants and quail too, who have released them, almost always tell me they see some birds the next year, so the 95% loss on released pheasants is probably not accurate on well managed properties.
100 pounds of feed will grow 50 pheasants to 6 weeks of age. It takes 16 pounds of feed to grow a pheasant to full maturity at 20 weeks of age.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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Herbicides were in use before the decline. Farmers don't generally spray for bugs. Pgc was stocking birds during that time making populations seem artificially high. Late seventies were harsh winter's with lots of snow here.
The recent SD transfer program needed higher numbers of birds, lower expectations of density, and heavy predator control land and air. Farmers don't spray for bugs? Hmmm, maybe amish farmers.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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02/11/19 09:06 AM
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i cut all the red brush,ironwood,timber and firewood off about 12 acres of riverbottom only leaving a lot of thornapple trees and marshy areas.amazed at the fruit that comes on them now,along with all the critters especially grouse.the big factor that made me know what i did was right was 3 groups of baby grouse last spring.i love the pheasant hunting especially if i'd be smart enough to go with Lugnut and his dogs.is a turn off i must admit though to pull in and see 20 guys standing around waiting for the stock truck.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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You are more than welcome to hunt with me anytime pcr.
I love pheasant hunting too. A yes, I understand all the arguments about them being a non-native and how many wish the PGC put the money we spend on stocking them and trying to build a breeding population into native species and/or habitat. I love hunting grouse and woodcock too, used to enjoy hunting quail but haven't seen one of those in the wild for ages. But pheasants will always hold a special place.
I started tagging along with my dad and his neighbor around 1963-64 and started hunting them in 1969. Back then you couldn't start hunting until 9:00 on opening day of small game. Anybody remember that? We lived a few miles from a County Prison and they would sound the escape alarm every year on that day at 9:00. Other places the local church would ring it's bells or the local fire station would sound it's sirens.
Back then it was nothing for my dad and the neighbor to limit out on birds and bunnies (two cocks and four cottontails) by lunchtime. Me also when I graduated from brush-kicker and game retriever to full-fledged hunter.
There is nothing to compare to the anticipation and excitement of slowly approaching a pair of pointers locked up and twitching as we slowly move into the area. Having a giant, brilliant, cackling rooster with a three-foot tail explode into the air, sometimes literally from under your feet, is something I'll never forget and always look forward to.
Today I chase them with flushers. And they are stocked birds not wild ones. But I still love it.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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i cut all the red brush,ironwood,timber and firewood off about 12 acres of riverbottom only leaving a lot of thornapple trees and marshy areas.amazed at the fruit that comes on them now,along with all the critters especially grouse.the big factor that made me know what i did was right was 3 groups of baby grouse last spring.i love the pheasant hunting especially if i'd be smart enough to go with Lugnut and his dogs.is a turn off i must admit though to pull in and see 20 guys standing around waiting for the stock truck. I agree with you about waiting on the stocking truck. Having grown up on a farm in the 60's I could walk out the door and being hunting wild birds in less than 5 minutes At that time we still had wild quail also However if you like pheasant hunting waiting on the stocking truck is about the only option left . The pheasant has not adapted to the conditions that are there in the current landscape. In my part of PA we did not have very many deer to hunt. At that time they where a big woods animal .The only time we would see geese was during the migration in spring and fall .A few months ago you posted a picture of some geese you had taken . I do not remember if that was on your property or somewhere nearby . As hunters to do what we enjoy we sometimes need to adapt . I went with a few friends to Iowa to hunt wild pheasants in 1997 .It was great .Just like the 1960's here in PA. As for your efforts to produce some better conditions for native birds in your area keep up the good work. We don't fail as long as we keep trying
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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Glad to hear of the grouse. Sectional rotate clear cut is the habitat they USED to thrive in here. Maybe it's those pesky protected pit vipers eating all the ringneck eggs.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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No doubt there are guys that wait on the stocking truck. Some of them slob/idiots are the reason for the new rules about not shooting released pheasants within 150 yards of the trucks. They were actually creating dangerous situations for the drivers/stockers. I don't see the sense, or the fun, in that at all.
I admit, I am fully dependent on the stocking truck. If not for the efforts of the PGC, tthere would have been no pheasants for me and my dogs to hunt for the last thirty-plus years. And that would suck as far as I'm concerned.
Thankfully, most pheasant hunters, me included, like actually hunting them and giving the dogs dome good fun and experience. I never hunt them opening day anymore, I leave that day for truck-chasers an occasional hunters/weekend warriors. I hunt them later in the week and throughout the season when they've had some time to acclimate and learn to fear men and dogs. It's a lot more like hunting and less like shooting.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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Tons of those flying manure spreaders here. My last dog was trained to siss em away, good pup lol. At least one farm feeds whole corn to cows then turns them out a day before him and his buds hunt. Quite effective.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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its funny that the gamelands we usually see eachother at has very few truck chasers compared to the spot by the hatchery.i think the big game co. building at the start of the road makes them nervous.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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its funny that the gamelands we usually see eachother at has very few truck chasers compared to the spot by the hatchery.i think the big game co. building at the start of the road makes them nervous. Yeah and there is usually at least one vehicle at the Food and Cover building with the PGC logo on it. Keeps them honest!
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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and don't forget a fella did get shot around Smethport last fall during the release or just after.
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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MacFarlane pheasants: https://www.pheasant.comHas dozens of videos and FAQs on pheasants from all aspects of rearing, to improving habitat and predator control. They have several seminars, you can attend, on pheasants a year. I have bought many thousands of pheasant chicks from MacFarlane since 1998 and have never had any problems with them. If you subscribe to their email list, they will offer you high hen mixes, great for restocking for as little as 5 cents each, plus shipping. They sell overhatch, straight run pheasant chicks for as low as 50 cents each. They always have high hen mixes for 20 cents each for 500 to 1000 and 15 cents each over 1000. Keith Keith, I have never seen pheasants that cheap on their website??
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Re: PA Pheasant issues
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and don't forget a fella did get shot around Smethport last fall during the release or just after. I remember you telling me about that.
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