Re: WHATS your opinion of Valerian now ?
[Re: cat4fish]
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02/01/19 06:43 PM
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Any attractor or tool is only as good as the trapper and where he puts it, period!
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: WHATS your opinion of Valerian now ?
[Re: cat4fish]
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02/01/19 07:29 PM
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Re: WHATS your opinion of Valerian now ?
[Re: cat4fish]
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02/01/19 08:55 PM
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Well at least with this thread I'll know who's bottles I'll be sniffin at the conventions.
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: WHATS your opinion of Valerian now ?
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02/01/19 11:11 PM
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danny clifton
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when it comes to valerian, authentic is sure enough easy to get. while house cats don't always respond like a bobcat I still test any new valerian on our housecats. if they eat and rub on it and act kinda drunk, it has always worked on my trapline.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: WHATS your opinion of Valerian now ?
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02/02/19 12:26 AM
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Paul Dobbins
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Mr. Dobbins, misunderstanding I guess, no animosity here. Okay, it's just the way I took it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Re: WHATS your opinion of Valerian now ?
[Re: cat4fish]
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02/02/19 10:07 AM
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This post has taken on many faces LOL Many thoughts have popped up. Every experienced trapper Knows that the bait or lure is the last part of the equation. Newer trappers are looking for the magic, we all did!!!!! But at some point we find out that all the other components must come first. Do some market a little over board Yep. Do some have a problem with any one marketing anything yep.
The question about valerian real or fake can only be answered by the person formulating the product and the intent that the person has in mind. And that can only be found out by many hours and years of testing. Something most do not want to do. It takes time and the most unwanted, costs money. I use the powder mostly and it works in some formulations and may not work in another formulation.
What does 30 years in formulating have that the newer formulator does not? Does it mean that a new formulators product can not match up to a old goat formulator? Absolutely not!!!! I think mostly the experienced, they have intent, rather than the lets see what happens. I am by no means a Paul Dobbins or Bob Jameson or the many other proven lure makers reading this post, in the formulating and understanding, but after many years I find myself working on new products with intent or looking to get x response from the animal, because I have goofed up enough to see some of the things that happen bad and learned to see some of the things that are good when adding this to that, 30 years ago, I could not see anything compared to what I see today. Does it make me a better maker? IDK But I do not have the blow ups now that I use to LOL
When it comes to magic in a bottle, well we all know there is no such thing, and to a ldc we all know there is no 500 yards LOL and depending on the wind speed and open vs obstacles in that wind current, we are lucky to consistently get 50 yards let alone 100 lol although there will be times that 100 plus can be gotten in the right open wind landscape. I along with every formulator on here has put out 10 test sites and in 5 days had every one hit hard by the animal only to have 3 hit out of 10 in the next test period LOL we need testing long tern to see which ones produce the best the most.
Did I say I like valerian powder or fake stuff Yes LOL
Last edited by Jonesie; 02/02/19 10:13 AM.
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Re: WHATS your opinion of Valerian now ?
[Re: Jonesie]
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02/02/19 12:19 PM
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This post has taken on many faces LOL Many thoughts have popped up. Every experienced trapper Knows that the bait or lure is the last part of the equation. Newer trappers are looking for the magic, we all did!!!!! But at some point we find out that all the other components must come first. Do some market a little over board Yep. Do some have a problem with any one marketing anything yep.
The question about valerian real or fake can only be answered by the person formulating the product and the intent that the person has in mind. And that can only be found out by many hours and years of testing. Something most do not want to do. It takes time and the most unwanted, costs money. I use the powder mostly and it works in some formulations and may not work in another formulation.
What does 30 years in formulating have that the newer formulator does not? Does it mean that a new formulators product can not match up to a old goat formulator? Absolutely not!!!! I think mostly the experienced, they have intent, rather than the lets see what happens. I am by no means a Paul Dobbins or Bob Jameson or the many other proven lure makers reading this post, in the formulating and understanding, but after many years I find myself working on new products with intent or looking to get x response from the animal, because I have goofed up enough to see some of the things that happen bad and learned to see some of the things that are good when adding this to that, 30 years ago, I could not see anything compared to what I see today. Does it make me a better maker? IDK But I do not have the blow ups now that I use to LOL
When it comes to magic in a bottle, well we all know there is no such thing, and to a ldc we all know there is no 500 yards LOL and depending on the wind speed and open vs obstacles in that wind current, we are lucky to consistently get 50 yards let alone 100 lol although there will be times that 100 plus can be gotten in the right open wind landscape. I along with every formulator on here has put out 10 test sites and in 5 days had every one hit hard by the animal only to have 3 hit out of 10 in the next test period LOL we need testing long tern to see which ones produce the best the most.
Did I say I like valerian powder or fake stuff Yes LOL Good post. Thank you for taking the time to share it.
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Re: WHATS your opinion of Valerian now ?
[Re: cat4fish]
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02/02/19 01:45 PM
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danny clifton
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So is valeric acid better if artificial or if distilled from the root?
Last edited by danny clifton; 02/02/19 01:46 PM.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: WHATS your opinion of Valerian now ?
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02/02/19 04:33 PM
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danny clifton
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Isn’t valeric acid used to preserve urine collected at fur farms?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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