Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 12:14 PM
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Here's an article from the WSJ today.
I have no opinion on this but would like to know the REAL observations and opinions of real people on the ground. What are the possibilities and the probabilities involved in this ?Green Politics and Global InstabilityHow ‘Occupied,’ a Netflix show about Norway, could presage civil strife in Canada. By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr. Jan. 22, 2019 6:51 p.m. ET Every so often the Pentagon comes up with a thumbsucker about how climate change is going to alter the geopolitical landscape. The intriguing Norwegian TV show “Okkupert” (“Occupied”) might be a better guide to understanding how such instability could already be brewing on our own northern border. Americans might be forgiven for not knowing that Norway, with a population of five million, is the world’s 11th largest oil exporter and the third largest exporter of natural gas. They might also need a second or two to realize that this sounds a lot like the Canadian province of Alberta, with four million people and fossil energy reserves second only to Saudi Arabia’s and Venezuela’s. In the show, which is available on Netflix , Norway’s Greens come to power and announce plans to end fossil energy production. Norway’s European Union neighbors, while keen to seem green, are not keen to do without Norway’s energy. They quietly support a Russian campaign of intimidation that amounts to a creeping takeover, while Norway’s politicians, eager to avoid outright fighting, straddle and prevaricate. Anyone who remembers the name Vidkun Quisling will appreciate why this theme might resonate with a Norwegian audience. Now back to Alberta: In the provincial capital of Edmonton, house prices have been falling for three years. Car sales are drying up. One-third of Calgary’s office buildings are empty. Though production is booming, Alberta’s oil was recently selling for barely $10 a barrel—an 80% discount to the world price. Why? Because opposition from neighboring provinces has blocked construction of needed pipelines. In a drastic effort to prop up prices, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley in December imposed mandatory production cuts on her province’s largest oil producers. She also announced plans, using taxpayer money, to buy 7,000 railcars to get oil to market, never mind that shipping by rail is expensive and risky. In the middle is Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, dithering between his green supporters and his desire to placate Alberta and keep its money flowing. He impulsively committed to spend $4.5 billion to rescue a U.S.-backed pipeline whose expansion has been blocked by a Canadian court. At the same time, he has mused that Alberta’s oil-sands production should be phased out in a “generation.” His party is pushing a bill to empower greens to block future pipelines. It supports a U.N. treaty that would increase the veto power of native tribes. It backs a continuing ban on supertankers in Canadian ports. Unlike the U.S., where secession was shown to be illegal in the 1860s, a 2000 Canadian law spells out the steps for provinces to declare independence. Ms. Notley has tried to play down secession talk, but the politics are complicated. Fellow Canadians may not be ready to give up their energy-rich lifestyles, or the foreign oil imports that make them possible. But they disapprove of Alberta’s participation in an acrid industry and their voters are willing to pay a price for it. To the east, Quebec’s premier says Alberta’s “dirty energy” has no “social acceptability.” To the west, British Columbia’s premier was elected on a platform of killing a new pipeline project favored by Alberta. Meanwhile, protest rallies have become a near-daily occurrence in the oil-rich province. Two truck convoys to Ottawa are planned for February, including one explicitly modeled on the French “yellow vests” movement. Ms. Notley herself faces an uphill re-election fight in May. She was already wrong-footed once into backing a carbon tax scheme that was supposed to ease the way for more pipelines. Now her opponent is challenging Canada’s highly symbolic “equalization” scheme, which has shifted hundreds of billions from Alberta to Quebec over two decades. Only a quarter of Albertans say they favor independence, but that may be beside the point. The province’s future promises to be one of barely contained civil war with its fellow Canadians. If $13 billion a year in payola can’t appease Quebec, the cause is probably beyond salvaging. A Donald Trump re-election could invite talk of becoming the 51st U.S. state. If Obama-like pipeline opponents are returned to power in Washington in 2020, the squeeze will be even worse. Then what? A weak state with enormous fossil energy resources caught in the West’s culture wars over climate and energy? The cash cow of Canada up for grabs? We could spin lots of scenarios. China is the natural market for Alberta’s energy riches. Beijing, with its Tibet neurosis, might not support independence, but it could employ its already ample economic ties to pressure Western Canada on Alberta’s behalf. China’s ambitious admirals would have the excuse they might want to expand into the eastern Pacific. The U.S. Pentagon would have a whole new reason for climate-related queasiness, albeit less related to climate change itself than to how green politics are roiling the geopolitics of energy. https://www.wsj.com/articles/green-politics-and-global-instability-11548201074
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 12:31 PM
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 01:17 PM
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Well, right off he bat, if we were to take them on as our 51st State I can think of three deal breakers that need to be on the table. 1. All of those that lean so much as a skosh left, will have to be removed and transitioned into other Providences. 2. They will have to have real bacon, only. 3. Those foreigners will have to assimilate to our culture and learn to speak our language.
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 01:28 PM
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Well, right off he bat, if we were to take them on as our 51st State I can think of three deal breakers that need to be on the table. 1. All of those that lean so much as a skosh left, will have to be removed and transitioned into other Providences. 2. They will have to have real bacon, only. 3. Those foreigners will have to assimilate to our culture and learn to speak our language. With regards to #3, how can we force them to assimilate to our culture? They're not doing it now. In fact, with many, they left their country because of hardship. Yet, they want to change our country to be like the country they just came from. Trudeau is going to drag Canada down. Very sad situation for a great country.
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 01:36 PM
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I cant imagine they would petition to become the 51st state after declaring independence . I dont see them declaring independence either
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 01:43 PM
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Well, right off he bat, if we were to take them on as our 51st State I can think of three deal breakers that need to be on the table. 1. All of those that lean so much as a skosh left, will have to be removed and transitioned into other Providences. 2. They will have to have real bacon, only. 3. Those foreigners will have to assimilate to our culture and learn to speak our language. 4- give us US residents some trapping rights!
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 04:46 PM
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Quebec tried to separate once.Unfortunately they forgot that most of Quebec is Indian land,and they said they were staying in Canada.And that was the end of that.It is the same across the entire country.Native rights(including native title) in this country are entrenched in the constitution.Any Albertans that want to join the states will have to pack up and move there.There isn't a snowballs chance in hades that Natives would negotiate new treatys to allow any of their land to be bartered away to foreigners.
Last edited by Boco; 01/23/19 04:53 PM.
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 05:20 PM
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God forbid don’t join the US. Frying pan to fire.
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 05:34 PM
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Here is an accurate description of the political situation in Canada that I wrote up for Face Book; Canada was a prosperous progressive Nation That fell victim to Liberal misrepresentation, Subject to irresponsible exploitation By elite and wealthy politicians, Supported by naive millennial solicitation By promise of marijuana legalization, Through both collusion and deception Carbon tax was introduced in legislation To bring about instant gratification To Mother earth's climate fluctuation Without any referendum consultation, Pipeline veto caused energy sector frustration unequal equalization fed Western alienation And fostered notions of separation Protests and yellow vest demonstration, In Government there is much confusion Regarding their gender neutral illusion They promoted a "People kind" definition And politically correct language perfection, They disrespected our values and traditions Gained by sacrifice in Wartime conditions Pledged our sovereignty to U.N. institution Against all the rules of our constitution, Rewarded radical terrorist participation Much to the public's indignation Proposed costly ISIS rehabilitation While ignoring our veteran contribution, Censored Christian religious devotion Causing resentful distressed emotion Allowed costly illegal immigration Of doubtful allegiance or assimilation, Then restricted freedom of expression And furthered citizen rights oppression, Concentrated on civilian firearm confiscation Without reason or compensation Blind to foreign criminal infiltration And dangerous gang activity proliferation, The country cringes with humiliation As the PM prances in degradation With embarrassing verbal abomination While the world watches in condemnation, Racking up huge deficits in the billions To burden the lives of future millions Changing election rules to suit his calculation Recruiting migrant voters in devious desperation
Will a 2019 election result in chaos and division And potential violent Provincial annexation Or will the outcome be "Scheer" exultation?
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 05:47 PM
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Every province at one time or another has newspaper articles come out and say its time to leave. Boco is right about Quebec when they voted 49% to stay in Canada, the natives had drawn a map and said okay you want to break all your agreements with the crown then this is what we are claiming as ours.........think they left Quebec an island in the St. Lawrence river. Alberta would be the same. As for Alberta and Saskatchewan having lived in both provinces (thanks Airforce) there is no group of people that are prouder to be Canadian, are they upset? Absolutely but they also knew this was coming from the days of 100 dollars a barrel. A lot of them remember the last big down turn. Canada is having an election soon and we shall see who is going to represent us going forward. as for being the 51st State...no offence to our southern neighbours but not once in any conversation that remotely mentioned leaving Canada have I heard anyone say they wanted to leave Canada to join the States.......not saying if you wanted to send in the Maine national guard we could do much about it That brings us to my opinion of the article.......its absolute horse##$^.
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 05:53 PM
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Every province at one time or another has newspaper articles come out and say its time to leave. Boco is right about Quebec when they voted 49% to stay in Canada, the natives had drawn a map and said okay you want to break all your agreements with the crown then this is what we are claiming as ours.........think they left Quebec an island in the St. Lawrence river. Alberta would be the same. As for Alberta and Saskatchewan having lived in both provinces (thanks Airforce) there is no group of people that are prouder to be Canadian, are they upset? Absolutely but they also knew this was coming from the days of 100 dollars a barrel. A lot of them remember the last big down turn. Canada is having an election soon and we shall see who is going to represent us going forward. as for being the 51st State...no offence to our southern neighbours but not once in any conversation that remotely mentioned leaving Canada have I heard anyone say they wanted to leave Canada to join the States.......not saying if you wanted to send in the Maine national guard we could do much about it That brings us to my opinion of the article.......its absolute horse##$^. Are you and Brushblend sure your not from here, sounds mighty familiar lol.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 06:03 PM
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Sounds like it would be difficult with the Indian lands in the mix.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Canadians: Input please
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01/23/19 06:56 PM
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In some cases,grampy yes.But there are a lot of traplines in Ontario that have no Native intrest attached to them.Where I am,Lines north of HWY 11 may have a claim,as these traplines were all trapped by native families in the past and were lost when quotas were enforced.Traplines both North and south of HWY 11 are sold\allocated each year here to non native trappers.
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