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Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355435
10/24/18 12:53 PM
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Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

I tried the dollar bill method last night, and the bill slides in no problem. We were shooting from 100 yards with a shooting rest similar to a led sled. 1st shot is the lowest, 2nd shot is the middle and 3rd shot is the highest. In between shots we walked down the range to see where it was hitting, then walked back. When she shoots she slowly squeezing the trigger towards bottom of breath. Scope is a Nikon with BDC 3-9x40 and came off my Savage Model 10 .223 I bought a year ago, and it worked great on that gun; I took it off only because I upgraded to a scope to see pesky woodchucks farther out. I'm going to change the bullet weight, and not clean it as often and see how it works.


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Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355448
10/24/18 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: zeffman728
Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

I tried the dollar bill method last night, and the bill slides in no problem. We were shooting from 100 yards with a shooting rest similar to a led sled. 1st shot is the lowest, 2nd shot is the middle and 3rd shot is the highest. In between shots we walked down the range to see where it was hitting, then walked back. When she shoots she slowly squeezing the trigger towards bottom of breath. Scope is a Nikon with BDC 3-9x40 and came off my Savage Model 10 .223 I bought a year ago, and it worked great on that gun; I took it off only because I upgraded to a scope to see pesky woodchucks farther out. I'm going to change the bullet weight, and not clean it as often and see how it works.


Zeffman,
I mentioned earlier to check the bell of the scope and make sure that it isn't touching. I know that this can cause a bullet to rise as the metal heats and expands (even though it is not noticeable) pushing up the scope up. I can't tell in the picture of the gun as it is too dark to see.


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Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355454
10/24/18 01:26 PM
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Any reviews on the accuracy of this particular rifle,maybe its doing all it can already. There are too many very good, low budget and accurate rifles out there to spend $200 on ammo and getting frustrated trying to figure out which round it likes. JMHO

Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355464
10/24/18 01:36 PM
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Hows the trigger on that critter? Heavy triggers will cause LOTS of problems.

Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355468
10/24/18 01:40 PM
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Hobbs, here is a better picture of the gun. There is quite a bit of clearance from barrel to bell of scope.

Also just wanted to show off my girlfriend grin


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Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355482
10/24/18 02:07 PM
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I will still bet it is the scope, something wrong inside it. I doubt that different brand of ammo would make it spray shots that much. Did you shoot it at a shorter range, say 25 yards? I would try that. Do you have another rifle with a scope? before you go spending money on more/different ammo try that scope on the gun.

Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355511
10/24/18 02:42 PM
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I dont see a ring on that finger lol.

Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355541
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A lot of good advice on rifle shooting but I haven't seen anyone mention recoil. That's a light rifle with a group stringing high/low, not so much left and right. If the gun was spraying shots or if the scope was bad or loose, your groups width wouldn't be that tight width wise and strung high/low like your seeing. Watch when she shoots the rifle off the rest and see how much muzzle jump there is. I'm guessing that you don't have a sandbag under the stock end of the rifle. If so, its not anchored right and with each shot the shooter is applying different pressure into the rest. When the trigger breaks and the recoil hits, the bullet is still in the barrel for a split second. When you shoot it and the trigger breaks, stay focused on the crosshairs, the way the crosshairs go equals the direction your shot is going.

Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355551
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And why wouldn't you! I think Matt28 is right...better ring that one. That was my only other thought, I had a buddy that his rifle would do that. It ended up being that his bell was touching in just the smallest amount right at the flare on the Bell, we added taller rings and the problem completely went away. Sorry I couldn't be more help.


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Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355608
10/24/18 04:11 PM
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My 243 with a 1/10 twist dont like 100gr bullets at all. I dropped back to HSM 87gr Berger VLD Hunting and she tightened right up nice. Even other loads 70-87 gr shot well.


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Re: Issues at the shooting range [Re: zeffman728] #6355650
10/24/18 04:50 PM
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with that as a 100 yard group and you were cleaning every 3 rounds then shooting a new 3 round groups quit cleaning

1 and 2 are only about an inch apart that would be very decent for a break action rifle

it will probably never shoot like your savage model 10 different kind of gun.

shoot more clean less I think it will settle right in after about 5-6 rounds to a steady group then you adjust the scope to that.

some people collect first cold clean shot data , it is just easier to collect cold fowled data for most of our purposes because for cold clean you need to keep your cleaning process exactly the same every time and like others stated you can go decades without a full cleaning depending on how many rounds you shoot.

I figure 25-50 then clean copper , then 50-100 clean copper then every 250-300 is a good place to thoroughly clean copper or if it had a hard hunting trip with fowl weather but fire 5-6 to get back to a steady group before your next season.

I have heard of people using a alcohol patch followed by 2 dry patches to mitigate the effect of oil in the barrel before firing the first shot this way they can leave the preservative oil in the barrel till they get to the range run an alcohol patch 2 dry then fire their sighters and it takes from no to fewer rounds down the barrel to be stable.
these tend to be bench rest shooters they want a tiny group and know their barrels have a real specific life span of say 2500 rounds they fire 50 a match so that barrel has 50 matches in it


either way be consistent.

2500 rounds in a game shooter like that might take you a life time or two.


bottom line if the 2 together are shot 1 and 2 neither one of those doesn't = a dead deer or coyote at a reasonable range even the high one is still a deer at 100 yards easily.

clean less shoot more and get her off that sled as soon as she has the group tightens up some , your not bringing a sled in the woods she needs to learn to shot off sticks or from a sling


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