You don’t think good hounds with tracking collars won’t lead the houndsmen and maybe a helicopter onto the bear in short order? You don’t think dogs can run miles, or bring a bear to bay? Who says they need to tree the bear in this age of electronics?
I think your not giving the dogs enough credit.

Will foot snares work, sure. Point was dogs with trackers would have put you very quickly on the guilty bear, versus snaring how many bears and trying to figure out down the road which is guilty? And how would you know which bear if the guilty bear did not consume any of the poor fellow who was killed? Interesting that the bear would drag this fellow 1/4 mile and not eat??

I do not own hounds, but I have run with lion hunters and hounds many times in the west and more so with hounds running bears in northern Wisconsin. Good hounds are amazing unrelenting animals and would have been a great asset in this instance.

Osky

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and I have own hounds and hunted cougar and bear with them.

I have never hunted grizzlies with hounds just black bear And lions .....so I don't know ,but I would guess that a grizzly wouldn't run like black bear does. probably end up with a lot of dead hounds. any houndsmen on hear lose any dogs to a grizzly? I know the wolves are hard on the hounds here.

Watched a gritty little yellow dog, that weighed maybe 30 pounds, make about a nine foot brown bear sit down on his butt in the middle of a logging road, and refuse to stand up. She done it all by herself, and if the bear stood up, he got bit in the butt. By the time he slapped the ground where the dog had been, she was bitting him in the butt again. The rigging slinger had to go get the dogs owner to call the dog off. I was only at that camp a couple of months. I didn't witness it the second time, but it happened again a couple of weeks later. Probably not too many dogs out there that are that quick, but she showed us what a real bear dog can do, and it was pretty amazing to watch.

There are serious problems with wolves nailing hounds in Wisconsin say my friends there who have them. Many big black bears will not tree but are brought to bay at which point the hunters need to either kill the bear or get the dogs off.

I have not been advocating the only or safest way this situation could have been handled but rather the most expedient and accurate. Were it my son, friend, you or pretty much anyone in that situation I would have good hounds, tracking gear, the helicopter they said was available and shooters inside the bird all of it working Double time to find the victim then straight on to the culprit. There could be canine casualties of course but being right behind them in the air plus ground crew is the best support you can give them. After recovering the victim destruction of the CORRECT bear should be paramount.

Osky

agreed! both good posts thank you

Agreed Osky & Spek

Guys it would just make sense that if your going to overly protect and promote an animal as unpredictable and dangerous as a grizzly bear and with the constant influx of people into the bear areas you need a very fast specialized response unit. Hounds and helicopters should be part of that given the terrain. If there is a better faster way to do it I'm all for it.

It's not just for hunters but hikers, campers, and just plainly people who live out there. If the DNR had not felt it was getting to be a bit of a critical problem they would not have authorized a grizzly hunt. They knew it was a public time bomb topic. The numbers of bears to have been killed wasn't really enough to curb the growing problem, but I think a big part of the hunt was to put the fear of man back into the Bruins. Co existing with Grizzlies..Timmy Treadwell could maybe tell us how that works out, or not.

If you read the notes of the earliest explorers, settlers, and mountain men crossing what is now Middle America, Grizzlies were a very common and very nasty plains animal. With the growing numbers of Grizzlies in the mountains and no real fear of man or controls in place they are once again going to, and are, naturally spread that direction.

Osky

I’m not sure they’re going to spread onto the prairie. There isn’t all that much unbroken usable prairie for them that provides enough solitude, and more importantly the prairie is where the big ranches are and the big ranchers ($$$$$) are. They run the show out west and the problem will get taken care of then. Probably quietly by USDA or other fed trappers but I doubt that we will see that day.

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet.
Missing outfitter Mark Uptain found deceased- https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/this_just_in/article_fb78dcc0-94a9-5dab-804d-23991c46f90c.html

Some good questions asked. First there is a few excellent houndsmen in Wyoming. I personally know them and they have super gritty dogs that will chase a grizzly no problem.
Someone mentioned the grizz won't cross the prarie- That is BS as there was grizz in the Bighorns 10 years ago as one of the top bear houndsmen fron CA. use to run his dogs near Powder River Pass up past Ten Sleep and his dogs cornered a grizz up there.
And now a young Houndsmen from Greybull, WY had one of his hounds killed this summer by a Grizz in the Powder River Pass by Ten Sleep.
In Wyoming you have a two prong problem Wolves and Grizz in the same spot which is problematic for Houndsmen as wolves love to kill dogs so chasing a grizz could get the dogs killed two different ways.
I know the wildlife biologist based out of Cody is a Houndsman.
Also the problem in Wisconsin is real as the houndsman from CA. use to run his dogs there as well during the pursuit season and had to give it up due to to many dogs getting killed by wolves.
Preaching to the choir but predators need to be managed as in killing them- Not shooting them with cameras. And side note the wolves have been in the Bighorns now almost 10 years.....

I always recommend NOT carrying a firearm in your pack.

Wonder how libtard judge that shut down bear hunt feels about now?

You mean quietly by the ranchers. Long before the USDA or any type of feds even know they are out there. The 3S rule is still in use by every rancher I know.



The libtards are probably glad those bloodthirsty hunters got attacked.

You boys sure like to kill bears. Can any of you skin grizz? I'm an experienced bear trapper, but I don't know that I could catch only that bear or that bear in particular.

Osky is spot on about habituating bears to not fear humans. I have lived in bear country for 26 years now and never pack crap, but a bad attitude and it works on bears that fear humans. Not so much on habituated bears.

P.S. When bad attitude stops working, you won't hear it from me.

BTW Osky I don't wear a life jacket very often either.

Come to think of it a life jacket may protect my innards from a bear attack

Reading the papers I think this is the 5th mauling just this year Wyoming has them every year including deaths some years. They tried using Korilian not sure of the spelling but Russian hounds to run them and deter them out of some areas they lost several dogs also a lot of the cover is to tough to keep up with the hounds and bears. A lot of them are collared and they can track them by GPS. Wish we could hunt them but love the fact it keeps a lot of non residents out of the back country.

A MN man was mauled a few days ago by what they are thinking was a grizzly.


http://www.startribune.com/twin-cities-m...ains/492958401/
A Twin Cities backpacker was mauled by a bear — presumably a grizzly with her cub — and severely injured in the mountains of northern Wyoming, authorities said Tuesday.

The attack occurred Sunday afternoon as Bradley D. Johnson backpacked with friends in the Beartooth Mountains just south of the Montana border, according to the Park County Sheriff’s Office


Johnson, 48, of Plymouth, received “severe injuries to his arm, shoulder and back,” said Sheriff’s Office spokesman Lance Mathess.

Two of his companions on the Muddy Creek Trail in the Shoshone National Forest hiked out to get help while a third stayed behind with Johnson, Mathess said.

A woman called the Sheriff’s Office from a store in nearby Cody about 3:40 p.m. and reported coming upon the two backpackers who told her Johnson “had been mauled by a grizzly bear” roughly two hours earlier, Mathess said.

“The bear stopped and moved off presumably because the perceived threat had ended,” Mathess added.

While state wildlife officials have yet to confirm the species of bear, Mathess said the circumstances of the attack point to it being “a sow grizzly with a cub.”

"Chubon told investigators that he threw a pistol to Uptain before successfully fleeing and phoning authorities." ....Why did he Not just shoot instead of throwing the pistol?

Not having been in such a situation I can't rightfully say that I'd make a stand when faced with 2 grizzlies after having just been mauled a bit myself. I don't blame the fellar one iota for running.

He possibly could of had injuries that prevented him from using a gun. Whether it's hand or arm damage or even eye sight was injured.

That's giving him the benefit of the doubt of just being chicken and running off.