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First Amendment versus Second Amendment #6243803
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I believe violent video games have more to do with these school shootings than access to guns. Americans have had guns for hundreds of years, but increasingly violent video games are a recent phenomenon--along with the increase in mass shootings.

Unfortunately, the US is more likely to restrict firearms than video games. The First Amendment has a more-favored status in our courts than the Second Amendment, as Justice Thomas has noted in his dissents from recent Supreme Court decisions to deny review of anti-gun circuit court holdings.

The majority of Americans want to do something, anything to make them feel better, and since video games are court-protected, guns are the obvious target.

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Re: First Amendment versus Second Amendment [Re: James] #6243808
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You are unfortunately correct that some rights are more equal than others.

All sorts of vile filth can be freely espoused and peddled under the guise of 1A yet 2A, which pretty cut and dried SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, has regulation placed upon it from registering the maker to how it's sold to who it's sold to to how many can be sold to how it's owned.


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Re: First Amendment versus Second Amendment [Re: James] #6243811
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Most kids can separate themselves from games and reality but some unfortunately cannot.

So I agree.

I see violence in cartoons as well. And tv shows are worse nowadays as well.

Add in social media to.

All of these create our kids today.

Re: First Amendment versus Second Amendment [Re: James] #6243815
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Agree James and I was just talking about this today. A kid can kill tens of thousands of people on video games in horrible ways and see absolutely horrible deaths in movies. All of this is glorified. I seriously doubt you have many vets with combat experience playing these video games.

Re: First Amendment versus Second Amendment [Re: James] #6243817
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For years we have gone down the road of stamping out humiliation vs how to handle it and realizing it isn't the end of the world.

Until there is "thought police" that will intervene before someone actually offends or humiliates someone, it is going to happen.

Buckle up folks there is a whole generation of individuals who do not possess the skills to deal with it and will continue to lose their minds when it happens, anything from a girl friend rejecting affection to being called a name.


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Re: First Amendment versus Second Amendment [Re: James] #6243821
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" Americans want to do something, anything..."

James, that's the greatest threat to us barring none.


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Re: First Amendment versus Second Amendment [Re: James] #6243827
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People are not taught how to use and what guns are used for. Can't blame video games. When dad takes you out back for a lesson on how to safely use a .22, i.e.; keep it pointed at the ground, don't point the gun at people, get used to the gun, and be comfortable with a gun. Parenting is and has been the key, in most cases.


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Re: First Amendment versus Second Amendment [Re: James] #6243830
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Some kids today the video game is the only thing they excel at and the only thing that gives them any status in their life. The more players they kill the more levels they gain in a game. So the best killer wins.


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Re: First Amendment versus Second Amendment [Re: James] #6243832
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Osky speaks the truth. The feelings that 'we need to do something' will screw us. Ban anything, everything that doesn't pertain to ME! I don't play video games. I don't have a bump stock.

I pay dues to the playstation network and the NRA. We need to focus on what littLe is left of the 4th Amendement, I Say! Not only clear backpacks for kids, I say clear clothes for all! Nothing to hide nothing to be ashamed of.

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*that was a bit of sarcasm, I only belong to playstation network because it has actual benefits.

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I will officially pose the question: Do you believe that any Veteran with killing, combat experience plays war video games where the object is to kill people? If the answer is NO then why is this?

Re: First Amendment versus Second Amendment [Re: James] #6243836
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Interestingly enough, violent crime has gone down. If video games were the main cause, I'd expect to see lots of kids copying the games, for example, stealing cars and running people over because they played Grand Theft Auto, or if they did a mass shooting, do it in an airport like Call of Duty.

I think maybe the media needs to quit reporting these shootings so heavily. These mass shootings look like copycat crimes and that kids are doing this because they see it being done and the shooters getting widely reported and being popular. The media just won't shut up about these things, so every other month, mentally unstable kids who hate their classmates get barraged with news about a shooting.
In my view, we need to look less at the games and more at the news media and how everyone keeps talking about these shootings.

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I do agree that there are a multitude of factors that go into these crimes.

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Lawyers defending these scumbags so they can " earn" a paycheck to get them off are also too blame!!


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The main problem is that human life has been devalued.People get upset over a lion or gorilla being killed but are ok with thousands of unborn human children being murdered.We are Sodom.

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Originally Posted By: bucksnbears
Lawyers defending these scumbags so they can " earn" a paycheck to get them off are also too blame!!

If they didn't do it for payment by them, it would be paid by 'us', as having counsel to represent you is also a right. Or so I've heard.

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Rebel, I agree with your second paragraph.

The reason I think violent video games are involved is they accustom kids to seeing gruesome deaths. It must be horrifying to see a person blown apart by a shotgun at close range. But if I saw that horror show depicted realistically, often enough, the experience might inure me to seeing it.

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Originally Posted By: bucksnbears
Lawyers defending these scumbags so they can " earn" a paycheck to get them off are also too blame!!


Come on. If you were accused of a crime, guilty or innocent, don't tell me you wouldn't want a good lawyer to defend you.

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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Originally Posted By: bucksnbears
Lawyers defending these scumbags so they can " earn" a paycheck to get them off are also too blame!!

If they didn't do it for payment by them, it would be paid by 'us', as having counsel to represent you is also a right. Or so I've heard.


Yes, it's part of due process for indigent defendants to be given competent legal counsel by the state.

Notice I said "competent." That means being assigned an incompetent lawyer can give grounds for appeal.

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Originally Posted By: bucksnbears
Lawyers defending these scumbags so they can " earn" a paycheck to get them off are also too blame!!


Hating on the lawyers. LOL


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