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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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Pretty good but you're off on a few facts. The Yom Kippur War was in 1973 and the Jordanians sat it out so the Israelis were fighting the Egyptians in the Sinai and the Syrians in the Golan. Nixon flew over bunches of back ends of F-4s and A-4s to rebuild Israeli planes not destroyed but badly damaged by close hits of fairly new Russian supplied SAMs as well as M-60 tanks to replace Israeli losses from T-72s and Sagger anti tank missiles. The Jordanians haven't fought against Israel since 1967 Egypt since 1973. The crazies are still to the north and northwest of them as well as in the Gaza strip. I wouldn't give up the Golan either...
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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How many responses do you want me to make at once? lol
Okay, since you're the one who complained, I'll address yours.
Yes, you're right, technically it wasn't a "treaty." You caught me using the word loosely, carelessly.
Obama did make that international agreement, pursuant to his presidential powers over foreign affairs, with Iran, Germany, UK, France, Russia, and China. (Don't ask me why China was a party.) It was exactly the sort of international agreement made by prior presidents.
It was the same kind of agreement that Bush and Clinton made with N. Korea, which N. Korea breached.
It was the same type of agreement Trump will go seeking in Korea. I wonder what N. Korea will make of the breach of agreement with Iran?
The precedent is for new presidents to honor agreements made by prior presidents. Now that Trump has broken that precedent, we may well expect a future president to repudiate Trump's agreements. What goes around, comes around.
Jim Or....maybe the legislative branch will do something to check the executive branch and the legislative branch will again ratify treaties.
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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Pretty good but you're off on a few facts. The Yom Kippur War was in 1973 and the Jordanians sat it out so the Israelis were fighting the Egyptians in the Sinai and the Syrians in the Golan. Nixon flew over bunches of back ends of F-4s and A-4s to rebuild Israeli planes not destroyed but badly damaged by close hits of fairly new Russian supplied SAMs as well as M-60 tanks to replace Israeli losses from T-72s and Sagger anti tank missiles. The Jordanians haven't fought against Israel since 1967 Egypt since 1973. The crazies are still to the north and northwest of them as well as in the Gaza strip. I wouldn't give up the Golan either... Why does modern Israel exist?
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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Because the US allows it to.
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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How many responses do you want me to make at once? lol
Okay, since you're the one who complained, I'll address yours.
Yes, you're right, technically it wasn't a "treaty." You caught me using the word loosely, carelessly.
Obama did make that international agreement, pursuant to his presidential powers over foreign affairs, with Iran, Germany, UK, France, Russia, and China. (Don't ask me why China was a party.) It was exactly the sort of international agreement made by prior presidents.
It was the same kind of agreement that Bush and Clinton made with N. Korea, which N. Korea breached.
It was the same type of agreement Trump will go seeking in Korea. I wonder what N. Korea will make of the breach of agreement with Iran?
The precedent is for new presidents to honor agreements made by prior presidents. Now that Trump has broken that precedent, we may well expect a future president to repudiate Trump's agreements. What goes around, comes around.
Jim None would be nice lol...
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
[Re: adam m]
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The Ayatollah said "Why did they take away the Palestinians land to give to the jews?Why doesn't America give the jews a place that is uninhabited like a part of Alaska"? lol.
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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The Ayatollah said why did they take away the Palestinians land to give to the jews?Why doesn't America give the jews a place that is uninhabited like a part of Alaska? lol. Because the Bible says that Israel/Palestine belongs to the Jews. Alaska belongs to Alaskans. Jim
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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I doubt the Ayatolla(or any of the muzlims) gives the Bible any credibility.
The bible says Alaska belongs to Alaska?lol.
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How many responses do you want me to make at once? lol
Okay, since you're the one who complained, I'll address yours.
Yes, you're right, technically it wasn't a "treaty." You caught me using the word loosely, carelessly.
Obama did make that international agreement, pursuant to his presidential powers over foreign affairs, with Iran, Germany, UK, France, Russia, and China. (Don't ask me why China was a party.) It was exactly the sort of international agreement made by prior presidents.
It was the same kind of agreement that Bush and Clinton made with N. Korea, which N. Korea breached.
It was the same type of agreement Trump will go seeking in Korea. I wonder what N. Korea will make of the breach of agreement with Iran?
The precedent is for new presidents to honor agreements made by prior presidents. Now that Trump has broken that precedent, we may well expect a future president to repudiate Trump's agreements. What goes around, comes around.
Jim None would be nice lol... 
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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I doubt the Ayatolla(or any of the muzlims) gives the Bible any credibility.
The bible says Alaska belongs to Alaska?lol. Mine does. Jim
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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Wrong. You ignore the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act, and follow-up legislation.
How were Native American claims to MN ever resolved?
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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Walleyed, You Forgot To Capitalize The First Letter Of Some Of The Words In Your Post.
Jim Sorry Jim, I'll Try To Do A Better Job Next Time.  I Know How Much It Irritates Some Of the Anal Retentive Characters On This Forum So That's Why I Always Try To Do It. Drives Them Crazy. Thanks for Noticing, Buddy.  w What ya do is capitalize all but one. That not only gets the anal retentive's in a twist but also drives the OCD crowd up the nearest tree.
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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Wrong. You ignore the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act, and follow-up legislation.
How were Native American claims to MN ever resolved?
Jim I don't know. Maybe they werent. People whine about Indians netting walleye still today.
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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Okay, since you're the one who complained, I'll address yours.
Yes, you're right, technically it wasn't a "treaty." You caught me using the word loosely, carelessly.
Obama did make that international agreement, pursuant to his presidential powers over foreign affairs, with Iran, Germany, UK, France, Russia, and China. (Don't ask me why China was a party.) It was exactly the sort of international agreement made by prior presidents.
It was the same kind of agreement that Bush and Clinton made with N. Korea, which N. Korea breached.
It was the same type of agreement Trump will go seeking in Korea. I wonder what N. Korea will make of the breach of agreement with Iran?
The precedent is for new presidents to honor agreements made by prior presidents. Now that Trump has broken that precedent, we may well expect a future president to repudiate Trump's agreements. What goes around, comes around. Maybe we should do real treaties as it is written in the Constitution...? Oh that's right, whoever is the party in control or both of them get to pick and choose what pieces of that document really should be followed. All the rest is just a matter of convenience...
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
[Re: adam m]
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NonPCfed, you have a point, but past presidents do seem to have accomplished good with these executive agreements, or whatever you want to call them. I'm sure the courts have a term to describe them, but I don't know what it is.
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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Crocodile Dundee had good insight when he said"Own the land,ha,thats like two fleas trying to figure out who owns the dog they live on"
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Iran fires, Israel responded
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Wrong. You ignore the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act, and follow-up legislation.
How were Native American claims to MN ever resolved?
Jim I don't know. Maybe they werent. People whine about Indians netting walleye still today. And usually the same people want to call others snowflakes.
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