What are the activity differences between the Girlscouts and boyscouts? Is it just that some girls now want to do more male type outdoor stuff? Think of how many women now hunt compared to years ago. And I would argue it a very good thing.

I was never a boyscout...and camped in the woods by myself a lot as a kid...but if there had been girls to camp with, I might have joined.

Ya ya....missing the point, I know.

Anything that involves females WILL BE RULED by females. I have one son, and had no intention of him being in "scouts"
He will be 10x more radical than your sons.And this is what "we" need.

and today it is 3 different organizations it changes with every generation.

Isn't that what most argue about?

Shouldn't boy scouts be for boys?

Totally. Thanks for the information you have been providing, it has certainly been interesting to hear a different point of view.

I guess one of the things that bugs me the most is I feel they are ill informed about how the people in their organization feel about the changes they want to make. It seems to me they are just going off a whim, and not considering the way the people they are affecting feel about the desicions they are making. If the goal really is to get participation then you would be carefully considering how these changes might drive people already in your organization away. I really don't see that they are doing that. But I might be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. They do touch on this just breifly in this article: Scouting Expands Program But I would like to see what statistics they had, something they never talk about. There are 272 councils, certainly they could afford to conduct an internal survey(just scoutmasters), I mean the Chief Scout Executive gets "compensated" 1.6 Million, take away half of that and he has a good amount of money still, and they can conduct a survey and actually make some educated decisions. Might even make a good Eagle Project .

And I need to add-GREENCOUNTYPETE I concede every point you have made, we do need good young women, and scouting really is not changing all that much. There is just something about this change I dislike. I have no idea what it is, it just is a gut feeling, something about this is wrong.

Here is something to ponder,..I was a cubby and a webelow,..at no point did I think associating with girls was an
affirmation or an accommodation. What is so abhorrent that boys should be boys? Why take away from that?

I have been out of scouting now a year my last role was as a troop committee member but before that I was a den leader tiger through Webelos . I was talking with my old scout master who is back in as a leader with his grandson , he got a lot more into council , district and national stuff than I ever did and he said it was something they were talking about 20 years ago and something that they saw as a need to lower the age to get girls in the program from 14 to 12 or 10 or Tiger cubs as they have chosen.

Plum Billy
I think if you took the survey among leaders at the council level round table I think you would find it has support. I knew several of them had daughters who heavily participated in the program anyway.

women are very involved at the troop and council levels , I have a co-worker who runs a troop with another woman near Madison , she has 2 sons and a husband but she is the driving force in scouting in her family. she works an 8-4:30 job her husbands job keeps him at work many hours when she would be holding meetings , even in a small rural town our committee was nearly half women deepening on the night more than half.

also the cities very much run things more troops , more boys , more leaders , a quick search found more than 30 troops in and close around Madison WI probably not that many in all of south west Wisconsin.


as for what the Executive makes , yeah that has bugged me about many organizations , but the way the Red cross explained it and I am not saying it is right but it is that is if you want to be where the money is you have to run with the people who have the money , they paid their regional director 600K a year 20 years ago, they justified it by saying she brought in many times that in donations , it is still somewhat a country club attitude in executive circles. I suppose if the chief exec wanted he would go make even better money at a different corporation.

I did leave scouting , shooting is my thing and I saw shooting going away in BSA with all the cities and handguns are bad in cities they put new restrictions on what and when we could shoot.

we shot a lot in my troop as a boy.

I was getting involved with 4-H shooting sports and Natural sciences while my son was still a cub and it got to a point a year ago where my wife said you can do one or the other but you don't have time for both. so now I just teach boys and girls how to shoot together. we have very very few issues having girls and boys together on the range or on camp outs in 4-H I don't think it will hurt scouts.

I could see this coming. Women use to dress like women and looked like women. Know they dress like men wear a mans hat cut their hair like men. know they want to take over the BOY scouts.
Bruce Jenner could see how women were headed for world domination. So he changed sides. LOL

Greencounty you are giving us first hand knowledge to get us to be more open minded. Us old guys are stubborn on change. Lol

The 4H organization has changed a lot over the years as well. They are not just about livestock anymore. I think they had to open up more interest to keep members as well.

I am not totally on board with the change but am being open minded. One big positive is or at least I hope that this will give all young people something away from social media and get them interacting face to face.

Hope they keep their old age beliefs.

Boy scouts take the word 'boy' out of the name.

Girl scouts keep the word 'girl' in their name.

If you question why this is your a sexist pig and the reason the world need to be dominated by women.

If you go to Google they ask the question of whether you favor this or not. Last time I looked, 66% said they didn't favor it and 22% did favor it, and the rest had no opinion.

I favor this about as much as I favor women in combat.......NOT AT ALL!

4-H is now the largest youth shooting organization in Wis maybe nation wide. I think we were right about 6K youth shooters in WI 4-H we also teamed up with American Legion and they attend our training for their youth shooting program.

I wasn't so open minded 20 years ago I was in a very different place but time and circumstance has changed me.

but I am keeping my guns darn it , that you can't change.

did you know of the women in combat April 19 1775 , yes women dressed in their husbands cloths and armed with their muskets , rifles and pitch forks took Tory prisoners and defended their homes.

Some of our local high schools have trapping shooting teams which includes both sexes. I'm all for that. But, it's sexist to demand girls be allowed into boy scouts or boys into girl scouts. There should be an allowance for some individualism. It's like a boy being allowed on a girl's basketball team because he feels like a girl.

4H is open to a lot of different interests. Even archery.

I think change as kept them with the times.

If it hurts the Girls Scouts by taking members away from them then I'm okay with it.

Is anyone (Boys) bum rushing the Girl Scouts? I think it should be our first an foremost goal to get boys in there and turn there table upside down. we need to punish them with stupid lawsuits and turmoil.

Maybe more blacks will join now that they are dropping the word "boy".I heard blacks are offended by that word too.

"Who???......WHO SAY DAT?!?!?!"