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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210395
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Maybe, union leads should advocate for different funding mechanisms,...the usual year after year property tax hikes
is a bit dis- concerning.
Perhaps state gaming,taxing school supplies(liken to PR tax on sporting goods),..dedicated sales tax?


When is the last time you saw a camera shoved in the face of a retired couple,..asking your thoughts?

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210404
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Right after the FL shooting, I happened to hear how many schools there were in Broward County FL where the shooting happened. There are 327 schools in that district, and the superintendent makes $335,000 plus perks is close to $400k. Compare that to Grant Co, OK. Three school districts, which includes 4 school buildings, and the those three combined superintendent salaries were $348K three years ago. I'm sure there are other assistant supts in Broward Co, but something is askew here in OK imo.

27 schools in Garfield Co, 9 Districts and 9 superintendents making $990k combined in 2015, surely over the one million mark this year......


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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6210405
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Originally Posted By: Aaron Proffitt
Brother , not every little , bitty community needs a K-12 school . And a classroom of 25 kids won’t kill anyone.

Rural schools can have their K-8 , everyone attends the same high school .


I wish Oklahoma , and that’s who we’re discussing here , would follow Missouri’s example.

BTW, the competition argument was awful . Life is a competition , that lesson might as well be learned early , too.


Have to change the law to do that in OK, state legislator done away with K-8 about 30 years ago, snuck it in the back door if I remember right.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: Okie Farmer] #6210406
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Originally Posted By: Okie Farmer
Originally Posted By: Aaron Proffitt
Brother , not every little , bitty community needs a K-12 school . And a classroom of 25 kids won’t kill anyone.

Rural schools can have their K-8 , everyone attends the same high school .


I wish Oklahoma , and that’s who we’re discussing here , would follow Missouri’s example.

BTW, the competition argument was awful . Life is a competition , that lesson might as well be learned early , too.


Have to change the law to do that in OK, state legislator done away with K-8 about 30 years ago, snuck it in the back door if I remember right.


There's a K-8 just eight miles down the road from me... In Cleora.

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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210413
04/06/18 11:19 PM
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Maple Elementary in Canadian County is K-8


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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210418
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Consolidation here was bound to happen due to the population decline. Even though there were consolidations the families all went different directions to several different schools/towns. So did jobs and money. It was an ugly ordeal but most everyone understands it had to happen now. Wasn't enough money. Some things are a little slower and harder to change around here. That's something that a lot of people will never understand about rural life in general.

The superintendent here makes over 100k. Seems crazy to me

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6210429
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Originally Posted By: Aaron Proffitt
Maple Elementary in Canadian County is K-8


they killed three k-8 schools around here in the late 80's or early 90's, iy had something to do with how the districts were set up were set up. I remember it being a backdoor kind of deal.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210433
04/06/18 11:40 PM
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I didn't realize how many really small schools you guys have.

I prefer schools with about 6-800 kids k-12 grades.

I like that size school as the connection with parents and teachers are much more workable.

Usually classes are 25-30 kids each. 2 classes per grade.

And your superintendents sounds like have deep pockets to hold their money. Maybe teachers are afraid to get salaries more balanced within the school or their hands are tied. But either way that's a huge difference between admin and teacher.

You guys have a lot of political problems giving hardship as well.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210483
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It varies from year to year but a graduating class at my local HS is 30 to 50... 35 to 40 is probably the average.

Mike


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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210502
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There are lots of small schools in MN as well. 6 to 800 kids K-12 would be considered a big school around here and that after many consolidations.





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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210515
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We lost our school. K-12 each class about 15-20 students. Grandkids go to a consolidated school. They wont ever have any pride from their own school. Our school is now a grade school with all shop equipment sporting gear sold to pay for consolidation. School board still mows the football field. Retired cop here in town hits golf balls there. It was not a popular idea. Somehow it was done anyway. Superintendent responsible for it moved to Ohio. Was done to save money. Because of added busing costs etc, cost is now even higher and they are really whining. school board responsible is all voted out but shutting the door behind a run away horse doesn't work real well. the only solution is privatize schools. We are so conditioned to socialism the only thing that has a chance is setting a per head amount of tax dollars to go where ever a parent decides to send their kid.


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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210534
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Im sure every state is the same. Our prisons are 160% capacity. Judges are being told "DONT SEND ANYMORE TO PRISON"


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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210548
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How much influence do the koch brothers have in OK?

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: Gary Benson] #6210620
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Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
Im sure every state is the same. Our prisons are 160% capacity. Judges are being told "DONT SEND ANYMORE TO PRISON"


That sign and this statement tells it all.

When this thread started I was thinking just another teacher whining thread, but I am getting the picture that the bigger problem is money appropriations and decision making by higher people is the bigger problem.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: danny clifton] #6210621
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
We lost our school. K-12 each class about 15-20 students. Grandkids go to a consolidated school. They wont ever have any pride from their own school. Our school is now a grade school with all shop equipment sporting gear sold to pay for consolidation. School board still mows the football field. Retired cop here in town hits golf balls there. It was not a popular idea. Somehow it was done anyway. Superintendent responsible for it moved to Ohio. Was done to save money. Because of added busing costs etc, cost is now even higher and they are really whining. school board responsible is all voted out but shutting the door behind a run away horse doesn't work real well. the only solution is privatize schools. We are so conditioned to socialism the only thing that has a chance is setting a per head amount of tax dollars to go where ever a parent decides to send their kid.


Unfortunately once a decision like this is done it's hard to go back. I understand the small town pride kids and parents appreciate.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: harrison72] #6210629
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Originally Posted By: harrison72
I have been somewhat following this post from the start, I even made a post and deleted it within seconds. The only thing I have to say about this whole thing is HOLY COW!


Yup. Amazing.


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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210681
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If we get away from government schools and the inevitable financial shenanigans and ever increasing cost for less education, your granddaughter wouldn't get expelled cause she put her pocket knife back in her jeans pocket after pelting a raccoon before school starts. Your grandson could make a new piece of wood for your favorite shotgun in shop class as a xmas present again.


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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
If we get away from government schools and the inevitable financial shenanigans and ever increasing cost for less education, your granddaughter wouldn't get expelled cause she put her pocket knife back in her jeans pocket after pelting a raccoon before school starts. Your grandson could make a new piece of wood for your favorite shotgun in shop class as a xmas present again.


Not to mention parents would have some say on what is and is not taught.

Left will never go for it though as than they have no control over us

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6210693
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My daughter is the head cook at the catholic school and my grandkids go there. My understanding is the students there are educated for about 50% less than the public school.

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