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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207636
04/04/18 02:49 AM
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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207646
04/04/18 05:19 AM
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I cant believe how many on here are anti union, think about how in are history groups of people that got together an change thinks for the good. an remember all you non- union guys your pay what not be close to what it is if it was not for the union guy fighting for better pay, you guys just get the benefits an don't have to be part of union

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207659
04/04/18 05:57 AM
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Here in KS a non union guy drawing unemployment for a couple weeks must look for work. Even if there is a job waiting for him when the weather breaks. If offered a job and its refused unemployment ends. I don't have a problem with that.

Union members do not have to look for work and are only required to take a union job. I'm sick of hearing about how wonderful unions are. Unions are criminal organizations that exist today only because they provide a huge amount of funding to the democratic political machine.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6207667
04/04/18 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: Trapper Dahlgren
I cant believe how many on here are anti union, think about how in are history groups of people that got together an change thinks for the good. an remember all you non- union guys your pay what not be close to what it is if it was not for the union guy fighting for better pay, you guys just get the benefits an don't have to be part of union


Many are not smart enough to look at the ways unions have benefited working men and women in this country. Maybe they want to return to the times when workers had to live in houses that were owned buy the company and were paid with currency that was accepted only at the store that was owned by the company.

There are a couple business interests in some of these states that own the politicians and who may believe they benefit an uneducated population, especially when it also means tax breaks for them.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207671
04/04/18 06:22 AM
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Hey if your a supporter of Nancy Pelosi Al Sharpton and Harry Reids party, then keep paying those union dues. I guess if your not smart enough to generate your own income without living in a company house, its your only option


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207673
04/04/18 06:28 AM
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Government doesn't care about how smart kids are. They care about controlling them, their parents and even innocent bystanders who don't have kids. Government education has dumbed down people to the degree that most believe government is solely responsible for education. I've read a quote somewhere that said if 6 month old infants were mandated to attend government school, in one generation the general consensus would be that without government people wouldn't learn to walk.
Any union that negotiates against taxpayers should be outlawed.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207676
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When these teachers go back to work, they should make sure they teach the history of labor in this country. Maybe then the children will grow up without the ignorance of so many of today's adults. Though some of the powerful use the ignorance to their advantage.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207677
04/04/18 06:38 AM
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I hope they do too. I also hope they teach how insidious and spirit killing it is to give up the personal responsibility of negotiating ones own worth of ones own labor.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207681
04/04/18 06:46 AM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whos fault is it people took jobs where their kids were still hungry? If you agreed to sell a collection of trapped western ND carcass coyotes for a five dollar nose count last xmas is it your fault or the buyers fault you didnt get as much as you could?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6207690
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Originally Posted By: Aaron Proffitt
I read where one snowflake is going on a hunger strike until demands are met . Sad .


The majority could stand to go on a hunger strike.


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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207704
04/04/18 07:06 AM
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Union labor is a big part of why a new pickup drops from $45k to $27k in value in 2 years.


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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: don Wolf] #6207709
04/04/18 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted By: don Wolf
Teachers deserve every penny they can get their hands on. Some one must teach in this world and you can't expect these people to not earn a decent living. They have a lot invested in their life. Just putting up with a bunch of kids ought to be worth no less than 100 grand in 9 months.
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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207711
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Teachers enter the field knowing what the starting pay is. They do it for rewards, not money. Some just change their minds when they get in.


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Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207744
04/04/18 08:01 AM
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I don't think any new teacher could prepare themselves for the crap that goes along with the job. Dealing with troubled students and knowing what those kids will go home to every day. Then there are parents to deal with that think little Johnny is perfect and shouldnt be disciplined. Then there is the system to deal with. Forgot to add that they only have a few sick days a year. If you go over those days the pay for the substitute teacher comes out of their own pay. Better hope your toddler doesn't get sick often. But..... some people were born to teach.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207763
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Base pay for my wife was 29k.......they then work their way up over time in a confusing system until they eventually max out at a reasonable salary. Yes, they do it because they love the kids and I guess teaching them is a rewarding feeling as they watch kids improve.

Like I said, I'm not necessarily saying that all the teachers should go on strike. I'm just saying that like a lot of other jobs, it is an under appreciated occupation.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207779
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I would like to have been a long line trapper, but I realized I could not make enough money so I chose a different path. The median income in my county is less than 33gs. my guess is there are very few teachers in public schools that make less than that and with benefits not even close. Any jobs funded by tax money should not be able to unionize.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: Gary Benson] #6207793
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Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
Union labor is a big part of why a new pickup drops from $45k to $27k in value in 2 years.


They are also why 90% of the pickup is made somewhere else.

When unions started they were good but than they got greedy and political and are responsible for a lot of jobs lost in this country.

If your in a union you see the benefits and if your not in the union you see the damage.

They also have made this country lazy.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207802
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Thank God for Walmart Greeters,so the millions on fixed income can continue to pay their ever increasing tax burden!

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: FlyinFinn] #6207814
04/04/18 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Government doesn't care about how smart kids are. They care about controlling them, their parents and even innocent bystanders who don't have kids. Government education has dumbed down people to the degree that most believe government is solely responsible for education. I've read a quote somewhere that said if 6 month old infants were mandated to attend government school, in one generation the general consensus would be that without government people wouldn't learn to walk.
Any union that negotiates against taxpayers should be outlawed.


Very GOOD! The Dept of Education was set up illegally by the govt. Research it. Most of you reading this wont as you don't care. Most of you don't care enough about your own children to educate them.......you allow the govt to make up their minds for them......and you pay taxes to have them do your children in. You then complain......why don't some of you really start to care, take action, get your kids out of school and educate them. I can already hear it....we cant, we have to work two jobs, my wife has to work, I have to pay my internet bill, my $100 smart phone bill, my cigarette money, my coffee money.......all the while your children are being enslaved by the govt and come out thinking two men can make a baby. Suck it up and put your helmet on........you will be judged for your actions.

Re: Illegal teacher strike [Re: AntiGov] #6207815
04/04/18 09:18 AM
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Let’s look at what teachers make and the hours per day they are legally responsible to put in. My wife was a teacher for awhile so I speak from experience.
If you work as a substitute on call, your day starts from the point you get the call to replace someone in the district. That means you start between 6:30 to 7:00 am.

If you’re a regular Teacher, your day starts when you pull into the parking lot. It could be 7:00 or earlier if you have meetings to attend before classes start. Then there is the 8-3 classroom day. Plus exam correction, lesson plan development, after school clubs and activities that keep you at school. I know several teachers that put in 12-hours a day x 5 days a week x 9 months a year. That’s a 60 hour week. Those teachers are doing 2100 hours of work in 9 months so that your kids get educated, and have after school activities that enrich their lives. On top of this, most I know get summer jobs.

I guess if you don’t want your schools to have extra curricular activities, because many teachers are also coaches, tutors, etc, that’s fine: just don’t pay teachers and you won’t have them.

On top of this, several states have decided to balance their budgets by cutting Teacher pensions or essentially robbing Teacher retirement plans. Our federal government has raided social security funds over the years and now there isn’t enough projected money to pay off the retiring baby boomers.

If you want good teachers, you have to pay them for ALL the hours they put into making sure YOUR kids get a decent education. If you want extra curricular programs that enrich the lives of students, you have to pay for that too. You can’t expect teachers to be all and do all without just compensation. If you’re not willing to pay for teachers, then don’t complain about the teachers your kids still have.


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