Jim Gibb is our WFSC director here,and he answers a lot of questions on here.Unlike a lot of people,Jim is also a hardcore trapper,and right now he might be in the bush trapping his beaver quota on one of his registered traplines.Maybe he will have a few pics to share too.
I don't know who your wfsc director is in the states or if he comes on here.

During the past 10 years or so there have been 2 different NAFA employees on Tman. One was in upper management and one was a high level grader. They would answer questions and explain how things worked. They never started a thread but would contribute when they thought appropriate.

And it seems like every time they posted, they would be attacked verbally by the NAFA haters. Some times the attacks were even related to the subject of the thread.

Both of them finally stopped posting, not sure if it was by their own choice or if NAFA told them to stop.

For now, the best you've got to answer NAFA questions truthfully is Gibb and a fellow in BC whose user name I don't remember. Both are actively involved with NAFA and tell it like it is.

And it is true that NAFA follows these threads. Even Herman takes a look once in awhile.

They should still put on their big boy pants and answer these questions. There are lots of NAFA supporters and those that might be If they had some answers. You will always have the haters so just ignore them.

Beav, you claim to be well connected with the upper echelon of NAFA folks in the Stoughton office, why don't you work with them to make this happen..........

This is a great forum for sure but imo it would be better if there was a debate free button the original poster could click so as to stop any bs on a thread. If someone broke the rules their post would be deleted and they would get a warning. That way the thread wouldn't go straight down hill and be unproductive and possibly deleted. That way a person could ask a question and not have to worry about it turning into p-ing match.
And we could maybe keep folks on here that answer questions and are helpful. If they seen it was debate free they would more inclined to join in and help out. I frequent another forum that has it and seems to work well. The op clicks a green button and everyone knows to be on there best behavior. What do you all think?

What happens when some one posts incorrect information? If another poster calls them out on it, then the thread turns in to a debate and then some one is in trouble.

Ok, just got off the phone with the guy that took my coyotes mon. As far as opting out of drumming, for the most part no but I can talk to Brian McMillen about it. So I don't know.
This year they get drummed and graded in Toronto. He didn't know about next year. So there is a chance. I said I was concerned about drumming in one place and grading in another. He said nothing to worry about the fur getting smashed or flattened, said they are not baled till after they ate graded. I said wouldn't it be better to be drummed and graded at the same facility? He agreed...

He couldn't remember the cost of drumming. Thought it might be $2. I remember seeing it somewhere that the price went up but cannot recall if it is now $1.50 or $2.

My coyotes will probably never make it to the sale.

It's been $2 dollars for years.

According to my account numbers, the charge for drumming coyote is $1.50. There is a $2 charge for each CITES pelt.

My first thought would be another thread could be started for debate. I would think there has to be a way to keep some threads from going down hill and good people getting run off.

Lots of people are contradictory by nature-like was said,ignore them if it bothers you.They just like to argue for argument sake.Lots of times its good for a laugh.

I brought that up because of what wissmiss said above about the NAFA guys trying to answer questions and things got outa hand. The debating doesn't bother me just thought it might be good option to have.

If the hides are shipped from the Stoughton facility and then drummed and graded In Toronto that would make sense.


AS far as I know If your a WFSC member It's a $1.00 for drumming and your not charged a cites fee. I don't know If that's the current fee. And I don't know what the Non member fees are.

I am quite sure CITES fees are charged everyone at NAFA, whether they are a WFSC member or not. That fee covers the additional paperwork involved to ship the CITES pelts from Stoughton to Canada.

Item number 10 of the United States Condition of Sale on the NAFA Website:



And item 4 of the same document:



The only long hair item I shipped last year was coyote and they charged me $1.50 each for drumming. And I am a WFSC member.

Benefits for being a WFSC member


The commission rate charged on your fur will be reduced by 2% for the 2017-2018 season. Currently the commission rate for all trappers is 11% but as a member of the NAWFSC you will pay only 9%.

NAWFSC members using NAFA’s collectors, depots or pick up services will also receive free freight in Canada or handling charges in the USA for one year. Freight to the Depot or collector location is not covered.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with the drumming charge or the CITIES handling charge.

Lots of things have changed since NAFA moved the wild fur operation from It's original location (2 times) It's now In the new ranch fur facility. Hopefully It will In the next year or so move back to the original facility. Then maybe there will be more hands on activity With drumming and grading here In the States.

With the additives they use in the drumming media,the guard hairs are polished making the pelts look a lot better.It also restores the lustre to pelts that have been washed so they look much more attractive to the buyers,if they wind up in the show lots.The solvents in the media also will dissolve pitch mats in the guard hair but will not remove tight matts in the underfur.

The difference is obvious, when drummed there the best they can be. Witch is best for both parties. Even after there boxed all that's needed is a good shake to fluff em up.