Finished fur is graded and lotted just like NAFA or FHA. There are not any no sales there either. The sale is Sunday because fur is graded all day Friday and Saturday. Most of the VA sale buyers are at this one also. Ask some of them which sale brings higher prices.

JT, what furbuyer in their right mind could not double their money ($25) on 3 bobcats that probably did not have hole in them besides were the bullet went. Not to mention the other 30 some hides. I actually know a little bit about handling hides. I got home earlier from mounting a deer. I have made mistakes while skinning animals, I would be lying if I said I didn't (I am not perfect.) I try and take pride in what I skin or when I am working on someone elses hide to mount. I have been skinning animals for years.

^^^^why would their be a NO SALE?? That is a good question VA.

Can someone please send me a private message the auctioneer's name?

Everyone has the option to obtain a fur buyer's license and buy any fur they think is sold too cheap. Maybe this is a bigger money maker than a 401K plan.

JT, good luck next season bud. I know where you stand on the matter. Thank you for your input.

Ky-coyote-hunter, jbyrd, and all other Ky, Va, Oh,...etc

Please warn all of the young/seasoned trappers you know. That is why I made this post so I could prevent this. I will gladly accept the "honors" in place of a young trapper. Stay away from the WV auction. There are some fine folks there but that don't change the fact that our fur is not desired.

if i get a receipt that says "Kentucky", for my unsold, i tend to get suspicious.
I could speak further on the issue, but, i dont know.

see my above. Ive sold my "worthless fur" before. Never once did they get lumped into a category.

I can't understand what Kentucky fur had anything to do with cheap prices. Something went terribly wrong on that sale. Call the buyer and ask him what was wrong. If they was tainted, he should be able to tell you that. If you say you know what your doing, then somebody really broke it off in you. Sorry about your bad deal.

most wouldnt catch the labeling on the receipt... i just tried to point it out.

Don would know, he was selling fur before i was born, i think....lol
He always treated me right, when i sold him fur, and always told me straight, even if i just needed info, offered him nothing.

Don, I called him and he told me it was because I had green beaver and no one wanted to do the work. I took the animals out of the traps, skin them the same day and threw them in the deep freezer. I am sure the hides were not perfect. I used a skinning machine that I bought of off ADC (thanks man) but I was not very good with it and had to go back to peeling them by hand. If the fur was tainted the buyer would have told me right off or if they were skinned improperly. The bobcats probably did not have a hole in them besides where the bullet went in.

I was told by a member that it was due to my cities tags on my cats that let them know my fur was from Ky. I don't know why this happened but it may be a good thing to keep others from getting in the same situation as me. I am fortunate enough not to depend on fur.

I hope to put up my fur this year and ship them to you Don. You seem like a stand up guy and a well respected fur buyer. I would have went to you in the first place but you are far away from me.

If you help run it than do take exception. BUT NOT WITH ME !!! Whom ever stole his fur !!! UNLESS the hides where rotten and he said they weren't you need to look into it. I think the fact that the word KENTUCKY was underlined and highlighted on the lotting form there is definitely discrimination involved. So the fact that other prices listed where remarkably higher doesn't raise a red flag. You guys knew he wasn't there and broke one off in him. PERIOD.
Plus what is this Ky cites tags excuse? Cites is federal. I thought. Yes bobcats in this area are bad about having "rabbit" back. Even those bring 20 -25 bucks apiece.

As for ALL green fur being lotted as one instead of lotting it as a green possum why not all as green bobcats. ????

AS for your association . I would be ashamed to admit being apart of this.

LOL

NOT ALWAYS TRUE. NOT SAYING this the case. But maybe the buyer was working for the people auctioning the fur ???? Mighty good profit there ... IF IT WASN'T rotten and the gentleman has said 3 times they were good pelts.

Something is fishy in WV.........

REALLY you can't figure that out? Everyone knows green fur can be cut in price and trappers never blink. Finish fur is what it is . Price is there . More profit to be made on green if the buyer is already finishing his own fur.

One problem I have seen at state auctions is it seems the buyers all get together on a limit and don't let it run up to high and sort of take turns buying lots. That way they all make more and guaranteed money. That, and one buyer seems to buy all of one species and another buyer another. I know they have orders to fill but it seems like " I won't run up fox if you'll let me buy the mink". It's reflected in the buyer piles as the sale moves along. I remember one year Zander showed up at Kentucky and wasn't in the loop with the usual five or six buyers. He bought about a hundred thousand dollars worth and the old regulars were fit to be tied. I would not let mine run through without having a "no sale" option but you had left in a trusting way and unless your fur was rotten someone stole it. Sometimes lessons in life are learned through disappointments. Now you and several hundred here know what could happen.

That's why I made the post Kytrapper. I am not sure why their is a "no sale" option. I am new to auctions so never gave it a thought to be honest. To let others know. If my fur would have been rotten the buyer and the guy that I talked to "who was in the know" would have told me. It wouldn't have been "it was because of Ky cities tags or beaver are too much work" they would have said it was rotten.

I skin the same day I take animals out of the traps. I may have let a beaver go one day but I don't think I did. I do not remember having a coyote with a green belly, let alone a rotted hide. I use footholds exclusively on coyotes, bobcats, coons, etc...so I kill animals when I get there. My freezers were operational the whole time. I had quite a few hides in a brand new one. They were all frozen hard when I got them out.

My fur was intact and no slippage whatsoever as far as I know. I got it out of the freezer and let it thaw before the auction. I have sold multiple times to a country buyer and I have sold bobcats to groenwold twice (put up) I averaged $60 on them one year and not sure about the next.

But I will put it this way. Who would buy rotten pelts? I would not give $25 dollars for 10 nice rotted cats. I will say once again if my fur was rotten that would have been the answer they would have gave me when I asked about it. I figure I got shorted out of a couple hundred bucks (I may be off, just my opinion.) that's fine. I just don't want it to happen to others. There's no need to feel sorry for me, there's nothing I can do now. I took a chance and lost out. I can just hope this sheds some light on the situation. No doubt there's some good people in the Wv association that has nothing to do with this matter. Their seems to be some good Wv folks right here on the website. I personally know some good folks from Wv, I think a lot of them.

The other thing on green hides...the buyers are taking a risk on getting them back to the shop before they start to taint if they didnt bring coolers or refrigerated vehicles. I'm at an auction now, some of these buyers have 10hr drives back to base.

If they didn't bring a way to transport what they bought than they need to be in another line of work. If your on vacation in Fla and they have the deal of the century on ice cream are you going to buy it when you live in Ohio ???? Think about that logic...
just saying . I don't know why his pelts didn't do better. But the reasons given don't add up....

Buyers generally aren't at the auctions here to buy green fur.

This is the number the Wv member gave me to contact the buyer. I matched the phone number to the address. That is how I found out how far they were away. It does not say Danny Stutler but the persons last name is Stutler with the same phone number. It's the 3rd name down in the list. I am not saying it's their fault but something seems odd. They may be good people I don't know. I did tallk to a helpful guy at the auction but do not know his name. He offered me some advise and I appreciated it.

Here is what i dont understand:
You dropped your unthawed fur off on friday?
The auction wasnt till sunday?
Your fur sat out of a cooler from friday till sunday?

No sir, I dropped it off Sunday (the day of the auction) at around 9:30 AM. The guys with put up fur left it there on Friday or Saturday to be sold on Sunday. One thing about it I looked at the fur that was put up and thought that they did a good job. I also seen some fishers for the first time.

Your list of WVTA officers information is very out of date.