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It’s incredible though the amount of people that believe what they are told without any further research. We had a family birthday party last night and the recent school shooting came up. My sister starts saying how ridiculous it is that a 19 year can just walk in and buy a AR. So I asked why is that ridiculous? Why just ridiculous w/ AR’s and not w/ other guns? She responds well it’s different because those things shoot fully automatic. Floored me that my sister believed that. I don’t have the answers how but some how we need to do a better job of informing. I can guarantee if someone had come to her door asking for a signature to ban AR’s she would have signed in a heartbeat all because of false information. They expend more energy spreading outright lies than we do spreading facts and what is or soon will be the majority just follow along blindly.

5-10 million is a very conservative estimate, over 1 million in NY State alone.

"Gun Control"... the oldest trick in the book... the government is using reverse psychology.... in my opinion, they WANT their citizens armed. Every single time you hear of one of these "mass shootings" ... just pay attention to the words they use to describe them... all the same every time it happens... Then as soon as the media ends the story or their coverage of what happened.... the very next thing they show you is "gun control" ... but the government knows... every time they hammer on gun control... people go out and buy guns and ammo by the millions... come on guys... wake up.... they want you armed! How many other countries could make that statement? That their citizens are armed to the nuts!! With semi-automatic assault rifles? Answer me that!!!

Gun control, immigration, debt and deficit, all talking points to keep the country in gridlock. The politicians have to have their divisive rhetoric.

So do you think its a "selling" point in talks with foreign adversaries, such as, in private of course, "You know [fill in the blank global adversary leader], your country could never invade or control the U.S. because our private citizens are heavily armed and would resist you forever". Is that how such a conversation would go? Sort of a geo-political poker chip? Or do you think the Deep State wants more guns and the talk of gun control because they eventually want a civil war and hopefully full dictatorship power? Or is there another goal...?

Mike- A majority of people just go on emotion, whatever makes them feel a little bit better. When they actually are faced with something concrete, they can't come up with a rational or even a semi-rational plan. Instead of taking away the civil liberties of tens of millions of law-abiding citizens, if governments at all levels wanted to make school shootings a hard thing to accomplish, it would be better to pass laws with block grant funding to better secure schools through various means; controlled access points, the ability to quickly lock down sections of the school into decoupled compartments, more and better manned security cameras, etc. I would also recommend that shooter's names and photos not be released to the media. As I stated earlier, most of these psychopaths crave attention. Don't let the media give them any. The serial killer from the KC area (can't remember the initials they use for him), as part of his life prison sentencing, can't access the news or ever read anything about his crimes. He craved the attention and now the only kind he gets is from his own mind, nothing from the outside.

If it did happen it would most likely go like full autos turn them in or pay the tax for the license. If you get caught with one without the paperwork your a felon. After time the tax goes up and up until it cost so much to own them or the magazines they are not that much fun. Again you get caught with one your a felon. I know there are some here that say you wouldn't give them up but in reality who wants to give up everything. Look at the way they take trapping its like eating an elephant one bite at a time, sad but true

Yup, NFA was back in the forties? There are still a bunch of full autos floating around unregistered.

"There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths
So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.
But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
Here's a good read,
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)
Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!
So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments."

Art, thanks for all the info, very informative and very true.

Well, your doing better than me, I have no idea if mine will shoot or not, still in the box from purchase date 3 or 4 years ago.
Add Savage 99's & 1899's to the single shot and bolt guns and your a well rounded person.

Ditto.

yep me too. Mostly scared old white guys, tin foil hat types, used to see them lined up for ammo when the trucks came in

Remember the bank robbery in CA during the 90's? Those two clowns robbed the bank with full auto AK's and held the public/police at bay for quite a while in a huge firefight...

Just exactly how did NFA stop those two criminals from obtaining and using full autos to commit their crime?

The only thing that stops a human being from committing a crime against someone else is a conscious choice... Anything else is just a minor inconvenience that can be overcome.

Mike