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Re: 401k [Re: corky] #6132039
01/20/18 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: corky
Originally Posted By: drasselt
[quote=jbyrd63] IF you had joined 2 years ago your money would have multiplied by 5 to 10 times.



SEC Math laugh


LMAO

Zim

Re: 401k [Re: ShaneT] #6132041
01/20/18 02:36 PM
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All of the years I worked and got to know several DuPont reps,many were close to millionaires at the time. The best advice they gave me at an early age was to pay yourself first.10%

Re: 401k [Re: Diggerman] #6132089
01/20/18 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: Diggerman
Put in the max and don't look at it or change it until you need it.



In twenty years ( or if you do well retire in 15)


Work hard play hard
Re: 401k [Re: ShaneT] #6132099
01/20/18 03:53 PM
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Get in, get in now. Put in the traditional 401K whatever it takes to get the match. Then, if one is available, put money into the Roth portion of the company plan. Remember you will pay income tax on the Roth contribution, but will not "get" the money. Neat thing about a Roth is that you can always take out any contributions without any penalty or tax, but if you take "growth" monies out you may be hit with fines, penalties. The terrific thing about a Roth is that you will NOT pay taxes on any growth, it is tax free money. I'm not sure but I think the Required Minimum Distribution rule does not apply to Roth accounts.

We've lost more than a couple of bucks a couple of times, don't panic and get out of the market when it is down, you'll lock in your losses. It will go up and sure as sh^+ it will go down,
Think of your contributions as Paying Yourself First , then pay the bills, then play with whatever money is left however you want. But you've paid yourself and your future first.
Last thing, and this is one piece of advice you should really take . don't take the advice from a bunch of well intentioned people on T-man(unless of course it's trapping related), or anywhere else for that matter, this is serious stuff, literally life changing stuff, can you retire comfortably or early or do you need to plug away at work 'cause you bought shiny new things or a big fancy house instead of taking care of yourself financially:
SEEK OUT A PROFESSIONAL WHOM YOU TRUST
Yes, they will charge a fee for their services, but it is pretty well proven and it has been my experience, that the net gain after fees is much higher with a planner than without.
Good Luck.

Re: 401k [Re: Quartermastersir] #6132108
01/20/18 04:01 PM
01/20/18 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Quartermastersir
Get in, get in now. Put in the traditional 401K whatever it takes to get the match. Then, if one is available, put money into the Roth portion of the company plan. Remember you will pay income tax on the Roth contribution, but will not "get" the money. Neat thing about a Roth is that you can always take out any contributions without any penalty or tax, but if you take "growth" monies out you may be hit with fines, penalties. The terrific thing about a Roth is that you will NOT pay taxes on any growth, it is tax free money. I'm not sure but I think the Required Minimum Distribution rule does not apply to Roth accounts.

We've lost more than a couple of bucks a couple of times, don't panic and get out of the market when it is down, you'll lock in your losses. It will go up and sure as sh^+ it will go down,
Think of your contributions as Paying Yourself First , then pay the bills, then play with whatever money is left however you want. But you've paid yourself and your future first.
Last thing, and this is one piece of advice you should really take . don't take the advice from a bunch of well intentioned people on T-man(unless of course it's trapping related), or anywhere else for that matter, this is serious stuff, literally life changing stuff, can you retire comfortably or early or do you need to plug away at work 'cause you bought shiny new things or a big fancy house instead of taking care of yourself financially:
SEEK OUT A PROFESSIONAL WHOM YOU TRUST
Yes, they will charge a fee for their services, but it is pretty well proven and it has been my experience, that the net gain after fees is much higher with a planner than without.
Good Luck.



This. I have a ROTH, and once I start my full time job after graduation I will have a 401k. Contribute to match, then a ROTH.

Re: 401k [Re: Quartermastersir] #6132118
01/20/18 04:10 PM
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#1 Get out of debt first. Sure some will say you can earn more via investing vs paying off loans with interest rates......Zero debt allows you tremendous freedom and accelerates your wealth building/investing. Congrats on paying off your home.
#2 Maximize the company match at the minimum.......then look at your options within the 401K to decide if you want to put more than the matching funds in. Point being are there options in the 401K plan that align with your investing goals/strategy?

Vesting is quite common, 5-7 years is quite common. It's a retention "tool" companies have/use.

Re: 401k [Re: ShaneT] #6132126
01/20/18 04:20 PM
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I started out putting 15% over 20 years ago with a 3% company match. I don’t miss it and definitely don’t regret doing it. There have been ups and downs over those 20 years but it is crazy the positive affects of compounding over the last 20 years. I started a Roth in addition to my 401k about 6 years ago. I tell lot of people to at least put in to get the company match then if you get a raise split the difference increase your 401k by a percent or two.

Re: 401k [Re: ShaneT] #6132182
01/20/18 05:42 PM
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No its not SEC math. How much do you think the market increase has done for peoples 401 k. PLUS if he had only put in 200 the first year it would or could have easily made $1000 invested in the market. 200 X 5 = $ 1000. (had to show work for you Big tener's). You do realize just the company match is doubleing his money.
One good ideal is to put your amount in low risk and the company's part in the market.

Heck if he had put in 500 in bit coin he could retire !!!!!!!!!!

Re: 401k [Re: garymc] #6132183
01/20/18 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: garymc
I started out putting 15% over 20 years ago with a 3% company match. I don’t miss it and definitely don’t regret doing it. There have been ups and downs over those 20 years but it is crazy the positive affects of compounding over the last 20 years. I started a Roth in addition to my 401k about 6 years ago. I tell lot of people to at least put in to get the company match then if you get a raise split the difference increase your 401k by a percent or two.


X2

Re: 401k [Re: ShaneT] #6132186
01/20/18 05:47 PM
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Spend it all Borrow as much as you can Live life . Die as far as in debt as you can !!!! If you leave a crap load of money behind you didn't enjoy it and someone else will blow it for you.
Once you are gone you don't owe anyone anything !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Life is too short. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: 401k [Re: ShaneT] #6132256
01/20/18 07:03 PM
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For some of us, being debt free and having a comfortable nest egg gives a powerful sense of peace.

Re: 401k [Re: ShaneT] #6132296
01/20/18 07:44 PM
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And a good rate of return is ?

Re: 401k [Re: smallcreek55] #6132499
01/20/18 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: smallcreek55
And a good rate of return is ?


Over the duration of the investing.....most would probably call 7% return good which is about the adjusted S&P index return historically.

Just to put it in perspective. If you were making $15/hr working 40 hrs/wk and take off 25% for taxes you would take home $23,490. If you invested 10% of that ($ 195/month) in a Roth IRA for 30 yrs you would have put in $70,395. At a 6% avg annual return after 30 yrs. you would be sitting on $186,116. If you were invested in something that averaged 7.5%, you would be sitting on $243,661. Because you did a Roth (aka Post Tax IRA), all of that growth is tax free. That is a very simple example of what is possible. Check out this neat little calculator and dream....then start investing! https://www.investor.gov/additional-reso...rest-calculator

Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: 401k [Re: ShaneT] #6132546
01/20/18 10:42 PM
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Never leave free money on the table. I did for a couple of years, wish I hadn't...


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
Re: 401k [Re: smallcreek55] #6132562
01/20/18 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: smallcreek55
And a good rate of return is ?


I believe in the last 50 years it has an average over 6% and that was adjusted with inflation. I would use 4% if you did any number crunching and hedge on the save side.


Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
Re: 401k [Re: ShaneT] #6132655
01/21/18 12:11 AM
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Absolutely contribute the amount necessary to get the company match. I suggest contributing all your company allows. If you are uneasy with the stock market, you can select a bond fund or real estate fund or a fixed rate fund. Your plan probably has many options to allow you to diversify.

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