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Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. #5643893 09/17/16 02:26 AM 09/17/16 02:26 AM
Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 13 Minnesota M Monti Ratter OP trapper
Monti Ratter OP trapper M Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 13 Minnesota	I have 2 diamond #1 long springs that I would like to know more about. also wondering about if they have collector value. The odd thing I noticed when I had them side by side was the shape of the jaws were different. was wondering if one is original and the other was a mix of parts from other companies. here is the pictures.

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5644365 09/17/16 03:19 PM 09/17/16 03:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,079 Central Texas - Erath- Real Co... Ol' Smoke trapper
Ol' Smoke trapper Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,079 Central Texas - Erath- Real Co...	Diamonds are numbered #21 for #1 size, #21 1\2 for #1 1\2 size. If you can't read the pan, no collector value. I have sold very good readable Diamonds for $10. ---- CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE----Bye, Bye Miss American Pie----

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5644381 09/17/16 03:39 PM 09/17/16 03:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,704 north Idaho W wissmiss trapper
wissmiss trapper W Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,704 north Idaho	Actually, there are Diamond traps that are numbered 1, 1 1/2, 2, 3, 4. They are long spring traps with single jaws. The Diamonds that are number 21, 21 1/2, 22 are the doubled jaw traps. The 2 indicates the double jaw. The other number indicates the size of the trap. www.usedtraps.com Please check out my updated inventory of Native American books.

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5644495 09/17/16 06:14 PM 09/17/16 06:14 PM
Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 13 Minnesota M Monti Ratter OP trapper
Monti Ratter OP trapper M Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 13 Minnesota	Did the shape of the jaws change over the years with the diamonds. I believe diamonds were made from 1923 to 1931. I was wondering if someone had put a pan from a diamond on a different brand trap as the two I have don't have jaws that are the same shape but both are #1's.

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5645112 09/18/16 12:27 PM 09/18/16 12:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,079 Central Texas - Erath- Real Co... Ol' Smoke trapper
Ol' Smoke trapper Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,079 Central Texas - Erath- Real Co...	wissmiss is correct on the #s. I don't know why all the Diamonds I find down here are double jaws. I do have some #4s though. ---- CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE----Bye, Bye Miss American Pie----

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5645380 09/18/16 05:10 PM 09/18/16 05:10 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 353 PA R ringtail 60 trapper
ringtail 60 trapper R Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 353 PA	Is it possible that the jaw shape is different for the ACT made traps? Are both pans marked Norwich Wire Works?

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5645432 09/18/16 06:02 PM 09/18/16 06:02 PM
Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 13 Minnesota M Monti Ratter OP trapper
Monti Ratter OP trapper M Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 13 Minnesota	neither of them are marked with Norwich wire works unless I just can't read it. this is the better pan that is more readable then the other one.

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5645514 09/18/16 07:57 PM 09/18/16 07:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 353 PA R ringtail 60 trapper
ringtail 60 trapper R Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 353 PA	It would be marked along the bottom edge of the pan. The picture shows it mostly unreadable there.

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5646060 09/19/16 01:12 PM 09/19/16 01:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 499 East Central IL. C coonwise trapper
coonwise trapper C Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 499 East Central IL.	I can see the first o so it was marked. With that value is lower. The # 1 that has value is the one with no diamond stamp in pan. But still condition means a lot on value.

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Ol' Smoke] #5646729 09/19/16 09:47 PM 09/19/16 09:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,353 North Cass Co. Minnesota DiggerDale trapper
DiggerDale trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,353 North Cass Co. Minnesota	Originally Posted By: Ol' Smoke wissmiss is correct on the #s. I don't know why all the Diamonds I find down here are double jaws. I do have some #4s though. You aren't alone on that one Ol' Smoke. All I see up here are double jaws too. First time I came across a Diamond single jaw #1 I bought it and paid for an education.

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5646886 09/19/16 11:43 PM 09/19/16 11:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,704 north Idaho W wissmiss trapper
wissmiss trapper W Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,704 north Idaho	Double jaw Diamonds, especially # 21, are very common here in the west. I see a fair number of # 3 double longs (not double jaws) as well. The first time I saw a # 1 Diamond single long, single jaw with a solid pan (diamond shape not cut out) was at the WTA convention in Marshfield several years back. Guy came up with half a dozen traps that he didn't know what they were. When I cleaned the pans, I was surprised to see they were Diamonds. At that time I didn't know solid pan Diamonds existed. Fortunately, I had traps that the guy wanted to trade for and all 6 of those solid pan Diamonds came back to Idaho with me. Sorry about the hijack....... www.usedtraps.com Please check out my updated inventory of Native American books.

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: wissmiss] #5646906 09/20/16 12:57 AM 09/20/16 12:57 AM
Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 13 Minnesota M Monti Ratter OP trapper
Monti Ratter OP trapper M Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 13 Minnesota	Originally Posted By: wissmiss Double jaw Diamonds, especially # 21, are very common here in the west. I see a fair number of # 3 double longs (not double jaws) as well. The first time I saw a # 1 Diamond single long, single jaw with a solid pan (diamond shape not cut out) was at the WTA convention in Marshfield several years back. Guy came up with half a dozen traps that he didn't know what they were. When I cleaned the pans, I was surprised to see they were Diamonds. At that time I didn't know solid pan Diamonds existed. Fortunately, I had traps that the guy wanted to trade for and all 6 of those solid pan Diamonds came back to Idaho with me. Sorry about the hijack....... would the ones with out the diamond stamp in the pan be the earlier 1920's models or the tale end in the 1930's. with out knowing trap history (just starting to learn with the help of the great people on this site)I would guess early models.

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5646952 09/20/16 06:32 AM 09/20/16 06:32 AM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 499 East Central IL. C coonwise trapper
coonwise trapper C Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 499 East Central IL.	You are right monti early model they were just getting started. Your traps have a hump cross earlier diamonds had the pinched cross that triumph used. They were threatened to be sued for it so switched. The guy who talked Norwich wire works to go to trap making came from Triumph. Their is a good bit of history with Diamond trap company and how all the traps they made came about. Hope this helps. Mike

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #5648274 09/21/16 10:25 AM 09/21/16 10:25 AM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,079 Central Texas - Erath- Real Co... Ol' Smoke trapper
Ol' Smoke trapper Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,079 Central Texas - Erath- Real Co...	"The Steel Trap in North America" - Richard Gerstell Hard cover. Over 300 pages. Just about everything there is to know. ---- CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE----Bye, Bye Miss American Pie----

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #8008990 12/01/23 07:16 PM 12/01/23 07:16 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,384 Central Ohio LT GREY trapper
LT GREY trapper Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,384 Central Ohio	Who actually made the Diamond ? Is Diamond a company name ?

Re: Need Info on Diamond #1 Long Springs. [Re: Monti Ratter] #8009118 12/01/23 09:39 PM 12/01/23 09:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 746 Tennessee Deerhunter51 trapper
Deerhunter51 trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 746 Tennessee	Norwich Wire Works began production of them in 1923 in New York. In 1931 the company was bought by ATC.

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