Re: Join us Wildlife Services
[Re: NV man]
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05/05/14 08:10 AM
05/05/14 08:10 AM
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In a word that might say it, but let's explain. State sovereignty as in the tenth amendment... States can and do have regulations on the type of work the Feds do, for example pest control regulations, depredation permits, pesticide registrations, etc.... Why then do we need a federal agency to do this work? We don't! By the way ws works with a regulation that circumvents state law if it "prevents" ws from doing their job. Perhaps I can make a policy in my business that would allow me to disregard the law if I feel it prevents me from doing the job? Only problem with that is I am law abiding.
"Our nation's health is dependent on local industry and commerce."
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Re: Join us Wildlife Services
[Re: NV man]
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02/10/15 01:42 PM
02/10/15 01:42 PM
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Just thought this needed some refreshing additions. Although I manage a for profit business, the business offers cost productive services. That means if I charge $1.00 my client can make or protect more than $1.00. The Feds on the other hand fail to grasp this concept regularly. For example, they charge a sheep man $70 an hour for 3 employees a truck plane, shotgun and ammo, and fuel to shoot coyotes to "protect" a few sheep. Meanwhile the costs to the taxpayer are about $500 to $700 an hr, day after day, year after year. It would be cheaper for the taxpayer to buy the sheep and shut down the overly subsidized sheep production business. Not only are these sheep businesses being heavily subsidized by WS they are often also taking other handouts such as NRCS moneys by the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. You can see a portion of the welfare (minus WS subsidies) at http://farm.ewg.org/ . If anyone feels this is fair please send me $1000.00, you can purchase my believing you. Meanwhile the few livestock production companies not taking taxpayer handouts have my most sincere respect and I look forward to providing cost productive services to them.
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Re: Join us Wildlife Services
[Re: NV man]
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02/10/15 02:18 PM
02/10/15 02:18 PM
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Wow, lots of good discussion here. Having met Justin finally at NWCOA Expo 2015, I will say that he is a voice of sanity (stay in WCO business for a while; that'll change!). The WS rep. gave a talk at Expo. I asked him if there is any requirement that WS turn down work that can be performed by a qualified private operator. In so many words, his reply was "No, but we try to do so." IMO, that requirement should exist to protect the livelihoods of qualified WCO's (I stress qualified because the WS guy says that many times the local WCO is not professional, shows up for high-level meetings in torn jeans, can't write a coherent proposal, etc.). Wink, as do you, I understand that there are some functions that will be most efficiently and effectively performed by a government community entity, e.g., fire/police protection, defense, infrastructure maintenance). Just think that, for the most part, WC isn't one of them.
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Re: Join us Wildlife Services
[Re: NV man]
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02/10/15 02:46 PM
02/10/15 02:46 PM
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Dave,
I agree with you about qualified professionals. In my area most local WCO can't write a coherent proposal, but then again they work for Wildlife Services. However, the self employed WCO are very intelligent and are often to busy to jump through the extra hoops just to compete with WS with less legal leeway.
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Re: Join us Wildlife Services
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02/10/15 03:55 PM
02/10/15 03:55 PM
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Paul Winkelmann
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I must hang around with the wrong crowds. The majority of my friends in this business have a college degree, work in a suburban
population and have to be able to discuss topics like sports, finance, and politics with some of the wealthiest people in their
respective areas. These are not the type of business owners that show up in torn jeans with crappy written proposals. ( Although I
will admit that my lovely bride did make me junk a pair of jeans last week because they had a good sized hole. And they were just
beginning to feel real comfortable too. )
Last edited by Paul Winkelmann; 02/10/15 03:57 PM.
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