Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
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Not going in depth but here are the facts
.22 rimfire with silencerco sparrow ss is very very quiet. 300blk for big game with a quaility suppressor take your pick from top companies. .
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Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
[Re: huntinjunkie]
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Oh and I will add...there is not a company on earth that makes a suppessor that is movie quiet, its a thing of myth.
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Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
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03/06/14 05:56 PM
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HJ, Have worked with a variety from .17 and .22 for things you'd imagine, to .223 and others for feral hog etc.... I agree wholeheartedly with Dale, if the movie version is what is in anyones mind, go ahead and pass this by! Ultimately you likely have an idea in mind for what type of wildlife damage situations you'd like to use this for. If it is small furbearer species you'd be in one bracket (check out the amphibian from AWC in AZ), I can say that having been around that one in many settings it is the closest to the "movie" effect. You will hear the action of the pistol and that is about till impact. On the rifle end if you are looking at big game (deer, hogs), ultimately the advantage of the suppressed isn't so much in being "silent" but rather related to the effect of where the sound goes. The AWC products are mostly what I've seen and used as they had pretty much a sole source deal with my old agency for quite some time. The "thundertrap" was the model on most large caliber. If you are looking to do small game and want silence at a bargain, using .22 shorts is good way to go for many up close situations without being too specific. Spending the dollars for the tool always has to pay off or at least should if making a business decision. Though I'd love a suppressed .22 pistol and a light rifle like a .223, I don't have any contracts that require this type of tool and therefore I haven't purchased any of them. I would call one of the manufacturers and speak with them about your specific needs in detail and they can help guide you based on the thousands of these they sell. (disclaimer - naturally we all know that our state and federal laws pertain to any purchase or use of these tools for our industry) Justin
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Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
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As noted, the SUB-SONIC loads will give you a big head start on quiet. I have some WW22lv's (no longer made wouldn't you know) that ARE as quiet as a movie gun when shot out of a long barrell rifle, and will kill small game reliably to 100 ft or better. (I'm Bogarting them as best I can). If you need a center fire rifle to shoot quietly, try handloading to low Velocity's. Speed of sound is roughly 1100 FPS depending on air temp, humidity etc.
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Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
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Oh and I will add...there is not a company on earth that makes a suppessor that is movie quiet, its a thing of myth. I disagree my friend.
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Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
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It is all in the load, so if you are a hand loader you have an advantage
For factory ammo,,,,cb 22 quiets are 60db at the shooters ear without a can with a 40 gr bullet
For wildlife work I would recommend a 22 cal can Threading runs 35-60 dollars here depending on who I take it to.
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Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
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Has anyone compared noise and ballistic differences between a PCP .22 and .25 to a .22 with suppressor? This is a great thread for those with experience to write an article for WCT.
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Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
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I think a quality crossbow should be put in the mix. This tool can get you around firearm laws in some cities
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Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
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HDW: Those Talons look interesting. The link you gave says nothing about price, and what kind of ammo do they shoot, Regular pellets? And do you know what kind of operating preasure is required?
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Re: Anyone with "suppressed" rifle experience?
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Hey BigBob,
If I remember right the outfit with an extra air tank (so you can head afield with two charged tanks at the ready) ran somewhere under $700.00.
Not necessarily cheap, but an excellent tool. They shoot pellets, we used the "crow magnum" if I remember right, though any pellet does work in them. They have a couple of choices in caliber.
Operating pressure I am not aware of, when I worked with these the technician on the project kept an air tank with him that he had refilled at a local shop. I think in the manual they list what the pressure of the can is and how its filled, there is a little kit for filling them. I was going to buy one when we launched our shop for bird work needs but ended up saving my dimes for other tools as I do mostly exclusion with very little outright removal.
The dairy projects were related to starling and norway rats and I can't tell you the last time being covered in cow manure and being up 18+ hours straight finishing with performing necropsy on over 100 of each species for disease samples was so enjoyable.
With the scope they sell (or you own add on) you can get amazing results from the accuracy. The air is adjustable on the rifle as well, so you can modify the pressure based on the limited area you are working in, for example if you would prefer not to blow a tiny hole in a tin roof, you can dial down but still remove pigeons, starlings, rats, etc...
Was one time I can say that work shouldn't be that much fun, plus the tech who was a good friend of mine till his passing was about the best guy you could spend time with in the field, just loved what he did and the people he did it for.
Justin
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