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Meet the Coywolf #4262723
01/22/14 08:57 PM
01/22/14 08:57 PM
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In just a few minutes.
Nature - Meet the Coywolf- Wildlife biologist Roland Kays tracks the coywolf, a hybrid of Western coyote and Eastern wolf.- Today 7:00pm - 8:00pm CST (8:00 - 9:00 PM EST)


Note to self- Engage brain before opening mouth (or hitting the ENTER key/SUBMIT button).

Ron Fry

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4262767
01/22/14 09:10 PM
01/22/14 09:10 PM
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mequon, wisconsin
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Thanks Ron, I just mentioned you today as one of two people that I know of on this site, who is older ( And a lot more smarter ) than me.

P.S. I think that everyone of us that has caught a coyote east of the mighty Mississippi has probably already met the coywolf. I have a lifetime friend in Montana that catches the most beautiful coyotes you've ever seen. The are the size of overgrown foxes. Our coyotes have some of the ugliest and drabbest coats and are the size of underfed wolves.

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Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4262951
01/22/14 10:12 PM
01/22/14 10:12 PM
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Woodhull, Illinois 77
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We need to start a club.

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4262968
01/22/14 10:17 PM
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mequon, wisconsin
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See, I knew it wouldn't take long for the other guy on here, who is older than me, to make himself known. How many others are out there?

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4263666
01/23/14 10:04 AM
01/23/14 10:04 AM
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somewhere in the middle of MT
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That was a good show, even Tank the wonder dog watched it. I was surprised we didn't see Erickson on there.

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4263690
01/23/14 10:15 AM
01/23/14 10:15 AM
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the only thing I fear with the new term coywolf is I am hearing people here in the north east say that they should be protected because they may revert back to wolf in a 100 years or so.


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Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4263716
01/23/14 10:29 AM
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I found it confusing.

Behavior and biology wise, it is basically nothing that Stan didn't cover at the WCT Seminars when he spoke on the coyote research. All that really seemed "new" was the term coywolf.

The most annoying part for me was that the narrator kept using the terms coywolf and coyote interchangeably; however, most of the researchers didn't which confused me as to what species they were discussing at certain times. It was also implied that the girl that was killed in Canada wasn't killed by coyotes but rather by coywolf's. I'd like to hear from Darcy Alkerton on that point as he was involved with the incident. I felt Stan was pretty adamant that coywolfs were not in Chicago and that it was coyotes instead but I could have misunderstood his point or it was edited out.

The questions I've been left with are where are coywolfs (aside from in Canada by Algonquin park), where is the eastern coyote's range ending, are eastern coyotes truly coywolfs or are there differences as their behavior is different than the coywolfs in Algonquin, will literature start calling eastern coyotes coywolfs, will it stay at eastern coyote, or will western coyotes now be known as coyotes and everything else as coywolfs/easter coyotes and where does the western coyote's range end.


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Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4263800
01/23/14 11:18 AM
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Monroeville NJ
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I got a eastern coyote the other day. it was a younger male around 40 pounds. the coyote in my area has a bigger chest and seems to be a larger head more blocky with a not so pointy snout or at least it seems, than the coyotes I have caught down in Texas. and our colors will go from normal western color to a lot of blacks, reds, tan to browns. our coyotes do stay in packs of 3 to 5 until later in the winter. the other night calling we had 4 or 5 in a group that stayed out 200 plus yards barking and at another spot had another group of 3 I am thinking. there was at least 2 other coyotes with the one I caught the other day. the study I saw on my coyotes in my area a few years ago showed a 20% wolf dna for most of them with in some cases a little dog. I will tell you that they stink the same as the western coyote LOL Rater skin a fox any day LOL

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Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4263940
01/23/14 12:36 PM
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Biologists love to label, much like people do in every day life, though in the future you could see the "coywolf" show up
in a field guide, I highly doubt it. Think it is more for a few folks who have decided they'd like to publish papers on this
aspect and do some tv shows. I saw one not that long ago that had this slant to it, the genetics and so forth are of course
good hard science but the name game is a silly one from my soapbox. Call it an eastern coyote, say it has some dna from
its larger canid relative and leave the "coywolf" name in the idea box where it belongs.

Jonesie has an interesting thought too, some folks could (somewhere in a little room) be thinking about how they could
politic to protect this canine by using its wolf dna, definitely not out of the question in terms of angles used.

Love great wildlife shows and education, harder and harder to find them though, too many aren't just a naturalist angle
they are focused on a political angle or of course some nut running around chasing things in his made for tv uniform.

my .02

smile

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4264211
01/23/14 02:49 PM
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I'll let ya'll argue the academics and DNA science, I just enjoyed the interaction it showed of how close a coyote will live next to humans. It's unbelievable how unaware humans are of their surroundings.

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4264554
01/23/14 06:32 PM
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I agree Dave.


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Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4264724
01/23/14 07:33 PM
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Wolf, dog and coyote DNA are so close it's hard to segregate it.
One can easily become the other.
It's like Human DNA.
Of course, someone who's ink isn't 'dry on their diploma' can say something and people will take it as gospel...

My take, kill them all.
They'll make more!

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4264807
01/23/14 07:57 PM
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What I want to know is what kind of trapper they hired who couldn't catch the one coyote they were after ?

They don't a coyote or any other animal I couldn't catch if it stayed in the same place !

Some of these (so called) trappers, wildlife techs and biologist are, in all reality, a joke!

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4267523
01/24/14 10:13 PM
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What Dave S. says; why wasn't Rob on the show?
Interesting stuff, especially the footage showing how well the (whatever-it-is) are so well adapted to urban areas.
Couldn't get over the way the narrator pronounced the word "co-yo-te" as if it had two syllables.


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Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4270947
01/26/14 04:35 PM
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I remember all that discussion about the Eastern Coyote and its Red Wolf genes. That dragged on for years with everyone trying to prove they were or were'nt really different than Western Coyotes.
Back when they first showed up around here the buyers kept saying they were Coy-Dogs because of the color phases.



"There's a fine line between a hobby and a mental illness."
Dave Barry

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4271815
01/26/14 10:54 PM
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Coywolf!

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4272382
01/27/14 10:16 AM
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but i thought you didnt believe in ghost? lol


never make someone a priority when they make you an option !
Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4272583
01/27/14 12:07 PM
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I too watched the show and questioned the part about where the trapper they hired to trap couldn't catch one? REALLY huh?

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4272622
01/27/14 12:32 PM
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I've seen neighborhoods that anybody would have a next to impossible time catching that coyote. Not anything to do with the coyote, just the people that didn't want you catching "their" coyote. Best trapper in the world can't do any good when someone posts a guard on your traps. That's when you have to go into "ultimate poacher" mode, and pull out all of the old tricks. But it is hardly worth the trouble.

Re: Meet the Coywolf [Re: LAtrapper] #4272634
01/27/14 12:39 PM
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Sounds like the seed for a new "reality" show. Coywolf Brothers!


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