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Squirrels Avioding My Traps #3362055
10/10/12 06:57 AM
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I've got tube traps, box trap, cage traps of all sizes and even figured out how to set conibears for squirrels. But the fuzzy little tree rats are avoiding my traps like they were the plague!

As far as baits, I've tried peanut butter, corn both on cob and shelled, black oil sunflower seeds, bird feed, pecans, walnut and several different mixtures and combinations of these.

In the past year I've managed to catch no more than 8 in my traps. I've covered them like tunnels, used single door and double door traps, wired them into their openings into soffit, covered them with grasses and vegetation, wired them in place around attic fans, set them around pecan trees, set them IN the pecan trees, inside attics, on roof lines, used small cages, big cages, medium cages, tube traps and even modified rat traps but I still come up with NOTHING.

Wait... Strike that....I can't say "nothing". After all, I have caught 2 possums, a coon and several birds of all different species.

My traps are stored under the trees in my back yard. They have the smells of pine straw and oak leaves.

I'm not making any money off the squirrels themselves because I CAN'T CATCH THE LITTLE $%@&#! They are making me look bad! If it were not for my exclusions my customers wouldn't need me at all! And what makes it worse is, I'M GETTING MORE STUPID SQUIRREL CALLS THAN ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW!!

Anybody got any ideas of what I can try next? Any special bait or lure that y'all use that works every time?


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3362069
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What are they feeding on now ?
That's going to be the answer to solving your problem !

Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3362071
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Here is is black walnuts and hickory.

Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3362088
10/10/12 07:35 AM
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I am a big fan of positive sets. I never set any traps in attics for squirrels. I gave up trapping every squirrel on the property and try to remove only the target squirrels. If you have speakers on your computer listen to Ron aka Jonesie.

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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3362889
10/10/12 06:45 PM
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No one is that bad at trapping squirrels . Given your area it's most likly you or called in after there's been a war going on for some time . Squirrels are very easy to trap and yes they do get locked on one type of nut . Squirrel can be wised up to . Say someone sets a rat trap with peanut butter as bait . After getting smacked in the head a few times there not gong for that bait thing anymore . Just set your traps over the hole and just funnel them into it . Could switch over to snaring the things on the tree limbs headed to the house . Your conibears 55 size works very well but 110 size your going to narrow it down some .


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3363168
10/10/12 09:14 PM
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most are easy but when you get a hard one it will be hard. like LT mentioned what they are grabbing now. this time of year they seem to be head set on storing, in my area the red and white oaks are the main food for deer, squirrels and the list goes on. watch the squirrels and see them just going crazy on running up a tree knocking down what ever nut they are on then running down the tree and trying to find every one and hiding it. if you are trapping out n the roof by the hole, try covering the hole with duck tape and put the edge of the trap right at the hole. put a small amount of bait right on the lip of the trap. some on the pan and some behindthe pan, add a what ever nut if you want behind the pan. the lower the pan adjustment the better so they can see over the trap. this time of year I just want them to stop at the trap, seems with the hole covered they forget what they was doing, they can then focus on the bait but they are not hungry LOL one nut for them 2 in the ground all day LOL


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3363233
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Three words "Round Body Grippers" or RBG's.
positive sets.


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3363261
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wish I could no killers for me.


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3363296
10/10/12 10:06 PM
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Jonesie have you ever tried snares for squirrels? Not legal here do not even know if they work on tree rats.

On the tough squirrels I will go out at night and put a one way trap over the entry point has worked for me so far.

Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3363618
10/11/12 06:51 AM
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Other than the 55 conibear suggestions, everything else has been tried. But I do appreciate the effort. Thanks, guys.

I've never seen a 55 conibear. I thought the 110 was as small as they make.

I've got some 110's set in an attic right now along with a couple of tube traps. I'll see how the work. I have caught a couple in the 110's mounted onto the tree limbs where they travel.


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3363815
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Yeah LOL didn't go well to the house LOL chewed the heck out of every thing LOL then I got the brain storm of a idea to make a drop cable to get them away from the hole and home that was even dumber LOL but I would not hesitate to use them on a population reduction job in a back yard.


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3363860
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get a pellet gun and shoot the dumb things laugh

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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3364394
10/11/12 05:33 PM
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You guys tell him. I'm all done with this sort of thing!

Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3364743
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I finally found my old squirrel snaring article which I wrote in the early 80's for the Edmonton Fur Auction trap catalog. I have reworked it a bit to update. I received many emails and pm's from Canadian and US trappers to post it.

THE WESTERN RED SQUIRREL

Ron Lancour

Note: Although references are to the Western Red Squirrel in British Columbia the snaring methods would apply anywhere.

First off I spent a long time with Joe Carty, prior to his passing, discussing red squirrel snaring. Joe had winters of over 5000 snared squirrels. Secondly I spent some time with Wayne Sharpe one February to observe about 20 of his poles and discus his methods (probably Wayne was one of Joe's squirrel snaring students). Not sure how many he had that day but it filled his pack sack.

A bit about the Western Red Squirrel:

The Western red Squirrel is one of British Columbia's most prolific fur bearers. They may have up to three litters per year, two litters is common, depending on available food supply. Litters average four young and may consist of as many as six. They are born helpless, hairless, and blind. Many squirrels do not live to be more than two years of age but the odd one may live as long as eight years in the wild and ten years in captivity. They mostly succumb to predation. They are sexually mature the following spring mating with many males during estrus. Populations vary with the available food supply which is primarily cone seeds of conifers or nuts from deciduous trees. The squirrel is an opportunist and will also feed on fruit, insects, birds and eggs. The Western Red Squirrel population in British Columbia varies form 10 million to 20 million.

Squirrels cache food in the fall for winter, mainly conifer cones, nuts, and mushrooms. They do not hibernate. The caches are at middens (squirrel dens if you will). Middens are easily identified by the mounds of cone bracts or nut shells which have accumulated over the years. Nests are built in the ground under these piles, in hollow trees, logs, or made from grass and moss in the branches of trees.

The squirrel is solitary, territorial, and shows defensive behavior. They continually travel from one midden to another within about a half mile circuit. Seldom is more than one squirrel seen at a midden at one time except during breeding periods, or if there are young of the same litter which have not yet left home. They are weaned at seven to eight weeks and feed away from their birth-shelter at ten weeks, dispersing at about 18 weeks.

Historically trappers harvest and average of 150,000 squirrels annually in BC. A record number of 648,701 squirrels were harvested in the 1941-42 season. During the period 1939 to 1955 over 300,000 were harvested annually. All totaled in these 16 seasons 7 million squirrels were harvested without any apparent damage to the populations. It is estimated that British Columbia could produce 1 million squirrels annually. Red Squirrels are abundant and not of conservation concern throughout much of their range through out most of Canada and the United States.

Squirrels are harvested mainly by shooting or by snaring. Due to damage by shooting and loss of animals which are not killed outright, it is recommended that squirrels be snared or trapped using killing trapping systems.

Now About Snaring Squirrels:

Squirrel snaring, which is what really prompted me to write this article, is the method used by the trappers who are most successful in both numbers or squirrels harvested and dollars per pelt. And, as a good friend of mine used to say "you can not argue with success"

Squirrels are snared on a horizontal pole between to trees at a squirrel midden with 24 gauge brass wire or with 26 gauge stainless steel wire (stainless fishing wire). Wire size is of the utmost of importance. I have a personal preference for the brass wire, but many friends prefer the stainless wire.
Usually there are about 3 dominant trees at a midden. Trim all the lower branches from the trees to height of around six feet. Clear any brush away from under the trees. Cut a straight dry pole, preferably with the bark still on it, approximately 1 to 1 ½ inches in diameter to fit from one tree to another. Clean the pole of all limbs and knots. Dead lodgepole pine in an old burn that have died from natural thinning make the best poles. The bark holds your snares firm on the pole whereas they will slip on a smooth pole. Drive a 4 " nail into the tree, leaving enough sticking out to rest one end of the pole on, at just under six feet from the ground. Fasten the other end of the pole to another tree by nailing it solid. In deep snow country the pole can be placed higher or moved as the snow gets deeper. By having one end over a nail or the stub of a branch it allows the pole to move when the wind blows. Otherwise your pole would break or come unattached from one of the trees. A second and third poles can be attached to other trees with one end resting on the first pole.

When a squirrel comes to a midden they do two things, first they find something to eat, and secondly they go up a tree to the first comfortable spot to eat. You have now created that first comfortable spot. If there is an old stump or limb sticking up in the midden of the midden they often use that, place a pole from there to a tree.

Some say to use a leaning snare pole but that is not without it's problems. If you observe squirrel behavior you will note that he holds his head in different positions when going up a leaning pole as to going down it. If you set at a height for him going up, or at a height for them going down, the snares will be all flattened or pushed up in the air if the first squirrel went the wrong way. A horizontal pole is the simplest and is used by trappers who harvest the most squirrels. As well the caught squirrels are hanging uniformly above the ground on a horizontal pole as opposed to a leaning pole.

The small diameter pole forces the squirrel down the center of the pole. A wide pole is like a two lane highway to the squirrel and he will go around the snares and knock them to one side. Sometimes you will find they even jump over a snare or two and get caught in another snare. For a long span you can use a forked stick in the center to rest the snare pole on so as to take the bounce out of it. If you have to use a pole too thick on one end so as to be long enough to reach, just don't set the thick end.

The wire is cut from a roll into 16 ½ inch lengths and a 1/8 th inch eye is twisted in one end. I use a board with two nails 16 ½ inches apart to wind the wire on. I then cut the wire off at about 5/8 th of an inch on each side to partially form the eye. Before cutting I put a couple of small bits of wire around each group of snares on each side. Four rolls of made up snares are then put together and wrapped in foil. I have a special belt made up to take that bundle of snares where I can grab a loop and pull them out one at a time, without tangling them up. Never use snares more than once, they may have a nick and will break on second use. There are no locks made for squirrel snares, nor are they necessary.

After extracting a snare from your bundle, thread through the eye and make 1 ¾ inch loop and twist the wire onto the pole so the wire comes up the side and the snare eye is near the top or even past the center of the top. The height of the snare should be about 3/4 to one inch above the pole. The first snare must be about 12 inches from the tree, then 16 inches apart, and no closer than 12 inches from the second tree. Remember to stay 12 inches away to either side of a forked brace if you used one also. This is so a caught squirrel can not reach the tree once caught or interfere with another snare. Also once off the pole they can not grab a caught squirrel next to them. This is important because if a squirrel ever gets back on the pole he will never jump off again, and will twist off or break the wire.

You can catch up to nine or ten squirrels at one midden at one time at one checking. A good midden will produce thirty in a season, and next year the same amount. I have seen nice middens go for a month without a catch, then all of a sudden every snare has a catch. Probably a wise old squirrel camping the midden and not letting others near. Check your snares often as foxes, coyotes, ermine, marten and birds of prey will have a free meal.

You do not use bait for snaring squirrels. Bait changes the way the squirrel runs the pole. He may hold his head differently than when he runs the pole naturally.

There is also a different eye for squirrel snares used in Alberta. It is basically the start of a simple knot pulled down to about 1/8 th inch with about a 1 inch tail sticking out. The loop goes near the top of the snare loop and that 1 inch tail sticks up above the snare.

A few words from my good buddy Pete Wise:

The Alberta eye, as it has been coined, also provides 2 extra advantages. 1. It makes it much easier to remove a snare from a Squirrel once caught..... 2. The tag end sticking up in the air makes the squirrel want to dive through the snare rather than trying to jump over the set. The neat thing about Squirrel snaring is that you can do your own trouble shooting as to why you are not catching them. If the snare is pushed off to one side or the other the pole is too big. You have to make sure that the snare is set in the middle of the pole. If it is flattened out the loop is too small. If you take him around the hips the loop is too large.
I treat squirrel poles as a complete trap station. I will put in a Martin box, and an ermine set as well I will look to see if I have other species visiting. If you come into your sets and the wire has been snapped off straight then you have a predator issue. I have taken many Lynx, Coyote and Bobcat off of Squirrel stations. I throw a bunch of branches under the pole leave space at either end which I hang snares in as well I will snare up the surrounding trails coming into the set.

Making Snares:

Wind the wire onto a board, nails 16 1/2 inches apart.



Cut the wire at the mark at each end at the line on opposite sides



Twist the eyes. This is the eye that I use.





The Alberta eye which many use and recommended in the Alberta Trappers manual.



Bundle the snares together



Foil wrap



Squirrel Snare Belt



Open the eye end of the bundle once in the belt so you can remove one at a time.



Make up snare at the pole as needed, the loose end is then wrapped around the pole and twisted to hold solid



Squirrel Midden



Pole resting on nail



Two poles at a squirrel midden.



Some squirrel catches.



Notice the one snare still set, gives you the idea of how they are set with the eye of the snare over the top.





98 squirrels one day



103 the next day on the same poles (February snaring)


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3365958
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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3366041
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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3366545
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All that looks great and sounds like a winner but the only thing we can legally snare here is beaver.


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3366576
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Same here. I've often wondered about the efficiency of snares over the entry holes but I think Jonesie answered that for me.


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3366587
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I think if you Did use snares of that type the squirrels would need to dangle or they would just get out . Wounder if people ever snare Rats


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Re: Squirrels Avioding My Traps [Re: Muddawg] #3366611
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I figured a snare on a structure would need to drop clear so that the snare would lock up tight to be an effective kill snare. Problem is that the squirrel isn't going to always jump clear so you have a live squirrel like you do in beaver snaring and I think we've all seen what a snared beaver can do to anything within reach.
Now a powered snare would be another thing altogether if only it were legal here.


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