I think that this section might confuse people into thinking that a harvesters license is required. I will quote the section...then put it into trapperman language.

2) Permittees may, upon verifying the complaint of any person suffering damage or nuisance, effect control measures at any time of year within cities, villages, or townships closed to hunting or prohibiting the discharge of firearms.

In other areas of the state, permittees may, upon verifying the complaint of any person suffering damage or nuisance, effect control measures from April 1 to September 30. Notwithstanding the other provision of this subsection, permittees may, upon verifying a complaint of damage or nuisance, effect control measures at any time of year within the curtilage of the complainant.

For the purposes of this subsection, “curtilage” means the dwelling house, associated buildings, and associated yard used for domestic purposes. Control measures in areas and at times not otherwise provided by this subsection shall only be initiated on those complaints referred to the permittee by a wildlife biologist or conservation officer.


If you break it down, it is saying that you need the permit to provide ADC work. However, the permit does not allow you to control wildlife in areas away from a house in areas open to hunting, during the season. This is to prevent the ADC operator from hunting with a permit. Now, an ADC permit holder could control wildlife in the back 40 acres during the off season in areas normally open to hunting. However, the wildlife could not be harvested for fur. Now, a licensed fur harvester could trap these same wildlife, and harvest the fur during the season. However, it could not be to control wildlife on someons behalf. To contol wildlife for the public....you need the permit...and the captures can not be transferred for personal use. Boy, does this sound circular?

No, a small game or fur harvesters license does not help a ADC operator. It helps the trapper/ hunter that is recreating during the season.

Maybe someone that has been around a bit longer can explain how this language got into the regulations: "In addition, these animals, whether dead or alive, cannot be retained by a permittee and converted for their personal use".

I can not think of anything logical other than a group participated in the formation of the regulations... and they did not want ADC operators flooding the market with pelts! LOL

Here is the thought process, that I am following for Michigan. Let me know if I am way off base....

Ohio DNR made this simple for us.

Meat eating animals captured out of season, euthanized or released on site.

Those who posses fur bearers linc. may sell animals fur or parts during open fur season.

Not quite but close enough:
(E) Persons possessing a nuisance wild animal trapping permit may charge a fee for removal of nuisance wild animals. It shall be unlawful for any nuisance wild animal trapper to sell any wild animals that he/she traps. Except, the nuisance wild animal trapper may sell the carcass of raccoon, opossum, beaver, and muskrat at any time. Hides of furbearers acquired during the open season under the nuisance wild animal trapping permit may be sold only during open season for furbearing animals.

It is interesting how different the language reads from the intrepretation. People need to really look at it closely. Anyone wish to post other state regs on this topic?

Sorry, whatever a reg is, we don't have them in Wi. ( I guess that means we're unreg. )

If you look rule 4 this is how it was explained to me about needing a reg trappers lic and a small game . Must follow all state laws and having a reg lic is one of the laws. The permits lets us do extra things but not buying a lic is not one of them .

5.52 Nuisance animal control businesses, public nuisance animal control agencies and non-profit nuisance animal control organizations, permit issuance; requirements.
Sec. 5.52. The wildlife permit specialist may issue a permit to a reputable nuisance animal control business, public nuisance animal control agency, or non-profit nuisance animal control organization for the purpose of taking certain animals causing damage to personal or real property. A person issued a permit under this section is subject to all of the following requirements:
(1) Permits shall expire on the third March 31 after the date of issue.
(2) Permittees may, upon verifying the complaint of any person suffering damage or nuisance, effect control measures at any time of year within cities, villages, or townships closed to hunting or prohibiting the discharge of firearms. In other areas of the state, permittees may, upon verifying the complaint of any person suffering damage or nuisance, effect control measures from April 1 to September 30. Notwithstanding the other provision of this subsection, permittees may, upon verifying a complaint of damage or nuisance, effect control measures at any time of year within the curtilage of the complainant. For the purposes of this subsection, “curtilage” means the dwelling house, associated buildings, and associated yard used for domestic purposes. Control measures in areas and at times not otherwise provided by this subsection shall only be initiated on those complaints referred to the permittee by a wildlife biologist or conservation officer.
(3) Permittees shall be authorized to undertake control measures on the premises of the complainant for the control of bats that are not threatened or endangered and the control of coyote, fox, weasels, mink, raccoon, skunk, opossum, woodchuck, badger, muskrat, squirrels, ground squirrels, rabbits, English sparrows, feral pigeons, starlings, and crows. Permittees shall also be authorized to undertake control measures on the premises of the complainant on beaver on private lands in zone 3 during the closed season; however, beaver shall not be live trapped and relocated or translocated without authorization of the wildlife management unit supervisor. Control of damage by other wildlife shall be undertaken only as authorized by a wildlife biologist or conservation officer. Control of damage caused by protected migratory birds shall require a federal permit.
(4) To effect control measures, permittees may use foothold traps, body gripping or conibear type traps, live traps, firearms if possessed and used in compliance with all applicable state, local, and federal firearm laws and colony or multiple-catch traps for species other than muskrat. Colony traps may be used for muskrat if used in compliance with subsection 3.600(5) [see pages 7-8]. To effect control measures, permittees may also use snares if one or more of the following conditions are met:
(a) Year around for permitted species within the curtilage of the complainant.
(b) Year around for permitted species upon the premises of the complainant if completely submerged in underwater sets.
(c) Year around outside the curtilage upon the premises of the complainant in the Lower Peninsula for the control of fox and coyote if the snare meets the requirements of subsection 3.609(2), subdivisions (b) through (j) [see page 8].

Opossum, porcupine, weasel, red squirrel, skunk, ground squirrel, woodchuck, feral swine, feral pigeons, starling and house sparrows may be taken year-round with a valid Michigan hunting license. See the State Park and Recreation Area restrictions on page 17.
NOTE: For nighttime hunting and furbearer hunting/trapping information see pages 2


This is reg state law and these animals you need a small game . The other ones that have no bag limits you need trappers lic . All other problem animals like deer or bobcat you need a special permit

If look at rule 4 it's there again . Dosent say except you don't need a lic . And look a rule 6 if you can't buy a lic ,your permit is no good
. This permit let's us do extra things but not paying for a reg lic isn't one of them
PERMIT CONDITIONS
The applicant/permittee’s signature on a Wildlife Damage and Nuisance Control Application and Permit form (PR 2004) certifies that the applicant/permittee:
1) Has read and understands this Information Circular (IC 9152) and the application/permit form (PR 2004) and agrees to abide by all requirements therein.
2) Understands that questions regarding the rules and regulations governing this permit should be directed to the DNR, Wildlife Division Permit Specialist, PO Box 30444, Lansing, MI 48909-7944, 517-373-9329.
3) Understands that making a false statement on the application/permit form; or failure to comply with the provisions of this permit, is a violation of state law and may result in the revocation of this permit, and criminal penalties.
4) Understands that this permit does not provide any authorization to circumvent any federal, state, local laws, or any other local zoning and ordinances, and that it is the applicant/permittee’s responsibility to know and comply with federal, state, and local laws.
5) Understands that this permit does not provide any authorization to discharge a firearm in a location where the discharging of a firearm is prohibited.
6) Understands that persons under a hunting, trapping, or fur dealers license revocation are ineligible to obtain this permit for the period of their revocation.

Rule 6 explanes how you can sell fur and not just waist that animal

(5) Permittees may sell live nuisance feral pigeons live trapped during legitimate nuisance control operations.
(6) A dead animal taken by means other than pesticides during the open season for that animal may be disposed in any manner provided by section 4.3 [see page 8] of this order if the person disposing of the animal is licensed to take the animal under part 435, hunting and fishing licensing, of the natural resources and environmental protection act, Act No. 451 of the Public Acts of 1994.

This sec 4.3 from rule 6 above . No its not written simple .

4.3 Buying and selling (excerpt)
Sec. 4.3. A person may buy, offer to buy, sell, offer to sell, or exchange for anything of value animals or parts of animals only as provided in this section:
(1) The fur, hide, pelt, plumage, or skin of game, lawfully taken during the open season or raised under the authority of a permit to hold wildlife in captivity, may be sold or offered for sale by the person licensed to take the game or the person permitted to hold wildlife in captivity.
(2) The carcass and parts thereof, of fur-bearing animals lawfully taken during their open season or lawfully imported from another state, territory, or country, may be bought or sold.
(3) The antlers of deer, elk, and moose and the skull of black bear lawfully taken may be bought or sold. The teeth, claws, flesh, bones, or internal organs of game, other than those species listed in subsection (2), shall not be bought or sold.

Thats kinda wierd I never noticed if you have a captivity permit you can sell the captive animals fur . So I guess there is a way to save up raccoon till there prime as long as you follow your captivity permit . Not that I wish to go there . Just didn't think that was possable .

Look up the definition of the word "revocation" that is used in rule 6 twice. It will change your whole thought process.

This is how I read it: If you were busted under a different DNR law, and we took your license away, then we won't let you obtain a permit to operate a wildlife business. But, if this has not occurred, then we sure appreciate the support if you purchase all these other licenses too!

When I get a second, I would be happy to call to see if I can get clarification for you. As I understand it, there are two points of confusion. First, the thought is that ADC pelts can be sold. Second, that another license (small game / fur harvester) is required in addition to the permit. Maybe, I can get a written answer to post.

My thought, is that that a fur takers license allows one to trap and sell fur. But it does not allow one to trap on behalf of another person. The ADC Permit allows one to trap on behalf of another person, but does not allow you to sell the fur. If you trap under the ADC permit, you follow those rules. If you trap under the fur takers lisc, you follow those rules.. You can not mix and match.

(2) A property owner or their designee may take raccoon all year on property owned by the person when raccoons are doing or are about to do damage to the person's property. A person taking a raccoon under the authority of this subsection shall be considered a permittee as defined by section 5.50 of this order. A written permit is not required, and the person shall be authorized to take raccoon all year by otherwise lawful hunting and trapping methods. Notwithstanding the other provisions of this order, a person taking raccoon under the authority of this subsection may take raccoon at night from July 15 to September 14

Beaver pelts taken on a permit may be kept or sold through may 15th if the permit writer checks the appropriate box on the beaver permit.

For a moment, I thought you found a loophole. That language says that a landowner or guest would not need a written permit...and would be considered a permittee. However, a permittee is not allowed to sell the fur. This section basically states that anyone can take raccoon that are about to do damage using lawful trapping/ hunting methods. It does not benefit you and I...we already have a permit.

Don't you wish that the State used liscensee instead of permittee?

This is a good show to watch . Dean molnar the chef of the DNR was on it and talking all about the animal damage lic needed . Claimed its the most mis understood law they have . If you go to the bottom of the page there's a link and says watch past episodes .then go back up and watch ask the DNR . I can't get to work on my iPad it's the wrong format or something . But it was the last show so this must be it . www.wcmu.org/tv/askthe.html