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#3157186 - 05/12/12 09:15 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: inthetallgrass]
Wildlife2 Offline
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A true believer you are.
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#3158477 - 05/14/12 07:14 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Warrior what does the busiest airport in the world have to do with the fed govt you ask?

Alot because ALL airports are under control fo the FAA, doesn't matter the smallest or the largest aircraft are a public safety concern and it all is under the control of the fed govt. Any aircraft related issue must be reported to our fed govt. It only stands to reason that govt entities would use other govt entities for work. Much of this is special permit stuff like migratory birds and the such.

Again you might see the largest airport as a cash cow and also the liability of doing such work would be very high. I used to be in the field of soil sterlization work and did some for Military bases, the insurance coverage they want you to have is very high and then it goes out for bid generally every 1,2 or 3 years and it got to be very competitive to the point no sense having the work for what "SOME" where willing to do it for! It was busy work for employees as the profit went away when the bid prices kept going down not up as input cost and insurance cost went higher.

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#3158492 - 05/14/12 07:30 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Weed, I was asked to provide a bid. The two interesting items I learned were that WS, for reasons unknown, is no longer offering these services, and the fees charged by WS for these services, when they did do them, was ZERO. This was from two different entities.
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#3158729 - 05/14/12 12:33 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: inthetallgrass]
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In the weeds get your facts straight. Not all airports are controlled by the FAA. Some are, others by the state, and believe it or not some are private.
There are hundreds of thousands of private companies that provide a variety of service the the aviation industry.
I can't imagine they are all doing it for no profit?

On USDA they like to say the work it to specialized or insurance is to high. That is just thier attempt to make them sound better and to scare client from using us.
Usda will charge over 200k for a project when we are not in the picture. If they know we have the potential to get the work USDA will only charge 20k for that same project. Is this ethical?
Simple FOIA requests have proven this fact on several occasions.
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#3159835 - 05/15/12 06:54 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Wildlife2:
3. What airports must have an FAA Airport Operating Certificate (AOC)?

Generally, airports in any state of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any territory or possession of the United States serving passenger-carrying operations of an air carrier certificated under 14 CFR Part 121 and 14 CFR Part 380 must hold Airport Operating Certificates if -
Scheduled passenger-carrying operations are conducted in aircraft designed for more than 9 passenger seats, and
Unscheduled passenger-carrying operations are conducted in aircraft designed for at least 31 passenger seats,
The authorizing statute exempts Alaskan airports that serve air carrier aircraft with less than 30 seats from Federal airport certification requirements. To learn more about the certification of Alaskan airports, review Alaskan Airports.

Also, any such airport that either leases from or shares its facility with the U.S. Government, such as the Department of Defense, must obtain a Part 139 Airport Operating Certificate for those portions of a joint-use or shared-use airport that are within the authority of a person serving passenger-carrying operations defined above


Wildlife 2 we are talking this issue sure there are alot of private companies doing all kinds of work in the US I have no doubts and keeps america turning for sure.

Show me where I can find the same scope and job with a 10x's cost differance for the same workload?

Will always be some variance doesn't matter private or govt, I could list 100's or more on the private side as well, give me a link where one can see the same work and time involved with a 10x mark up by WS. I would love to read any FACTUAL information on this you have.

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#3159841 - 05/15/12 06:58 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Warrior I think if you would read the laws you might see why they didn't charge a matter of public safety. WS also does mandatory wildllife assements at airports as well, any major work done at an aiport needs a wildlife assement doen and they do charge for such. Not alot but they do charge and has to be completed as your talking fed tax dollars involved in many cases.

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#3160294 - 05/15/12 03:08 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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I see you can can google info so look up any wha USDA has done in PA and you will see they are all over 100k some even 200k
Then look at states like NH and NE they are going for 20k
The work load is regulated by the FAA so the projects are exactly the same. I understand a variation from state to state but not that much. It is simply a result of the private sector being involved (able to bid) in one state and not the other I am Interested to see what spin you put on it.

Also not all airports need to be 139. Only ones with comerial traffic.


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#3160296 - 05/15/12 03:11 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: inthetallgrass]
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Originally Posted By: intheweeds
Not alot but they do charge and has to be completed as your talking fed tax dollars involved in many cases.


Not a lot haha.
I want some of you cool aid.
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#3160359 - 05/15/12 04:08 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Hey guys, I'd like to sound off right here as someone who has been guilty of the same darn thing. Don't make a whole lot of fun of someone who disagrees with you. ( Especially if they seem to have more information than you do ) The guys that you learn from are not your friends; they are your so called, enemies.

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#3163439 - 05/18/12 09:15 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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You guys are loosing work in the windy city;

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=205369
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#3185439 - 06/13/12 09:33 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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#3186289 - 06/14/12 02:49 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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USDA wildlife services getting paid by tax payer dollors to do work in PA

http://www.equities.com/news/news-headline-story?dt=2012-06-13&val=164620&cat=headline
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#3186319 - 06/14/12 03:10 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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The project is certainly worthwhile but it's hard to figure why they need WS (or anyone else) to get the job done.

Can no one in the Pennsylvania Game Commission shoot straight?
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#3187447 - 06/15/12 11:08 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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#3195047 - 06/21/12 08:12 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47892081


Here is your chance to protect the future of our industry. Call and write your Senator and Congressman and tell them you want wording in the bill that restricts the power of USDA WS.
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#3196210 - 06/22/12 05:46 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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#3202110 - 06/27/12 04:47 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Coyote work- Lost to USDA Wildlife Services in OR.

http://www.prd.state.or.us/news.php?id=1620
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#3213300 - 07/05/12 09:02 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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USDA WS taking work in upstate NY
also spreading false information about the availiblity of NWCO's

http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/Canada-Geese-Ta-161261795.html
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#3215834 - 07/06/12 10:40 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Gotta love how it was paid for by a grant from the EPA.

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#3219139 - 07/09/12 11:29 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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