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Posted By: Wildlife2

USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/30/11 01:54 PM

Please don't get this thread deleted.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/h...cZQM_story.html
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/30/11 04:00 PM

Wow, that must be the first time that the Washington Post wasn't on the side of the rats.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/03/11 04:16 PM

USDA wildlife services doing gull work in VT

Your missing out sgs
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/03/11 04:29 PM

Got a link?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/04/11 10:55 AM

Sorry about that

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/artic...ssey=nav%7Chead
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/04/11 04:23 PM

Thanks for the link.

Cody, I'm not sure why you would want to call me back in.

I'm not missing anything that I can see. Burlington is three hours away from me. Under no circumstance would I ever be doing work there.
Posted By: War Eagle

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/07/11 01:38 PM

wildlife2 Ive been following your posts and this WS looks like they do good work, if they had an office near me I would apply.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/08/11 05:28 PM

Good enough for government work.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/15/11 07:19 PM

USDA Wildlife Services doing work in PA;

http://mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2011/11/14/main_line_times/news/doc4ec1f270bdc0b039230056.txt
Posted By: USNret

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/16/11 12:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Wildlife2
Tried, but WP says they can't find the link/article. Seems it was pulled off their website.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/17/11 06:15 PM

USDA doing snake jobs in LA


http://www.wwltv.com/news/Large-snake-escapes-home-to-end-up-on-neighboring-lawn-133990223.html
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/17/11 06:20 PM

Usda wildlife services soliciting work at deer check stations in pa

http://mobile.mlive.com/advbaycity/pm_29269/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=bt7hHhU9
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/17/11 08:41 PM

bit of a reach huh? read the whole article, see where the usda employee asked if any feral hogs were sighted, likely common protocol at the check station to help dnr map feral hog spread, then he mentions that they want to "kill them all" again common invasive species rhetoric being spoken by any and all agencies with brain in their head.

not sure you struck pay dirt on this one wildlife
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/03/12 05:48 PM

Hunters and trappers are now supporting USDA to do what they could be doing. USDA now taking away money from trappers.


http://m.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...template=wapart
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/03/12 06:02 PM

looks like oregon trying to offset the costs of predator control programs that have been
going on for a long time, not something new, just a new way to pay for it.
Posted By: Out of work trap

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/04/12 01:50 AM

Well it's nice to see the propaganda machine at work!

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Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/04/12 05:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Out of work trap
Well it's nice to see the propaganda machine at work!

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george, was simply stating that the post describing this as a new thing was inaccurate, is that propaganda?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/04/12 03:50 PM

That is the point; the people who are paying for are the people getting hurt by it.......That is what is new.
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/04/12 03:59 PM

Quote:
the people who are paying for are the people getting hurt by it...


Seeing that it is a totally voluntary program, how are they getting hurt?
Posted By: Out of work trap

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/09/12 02:02 PM

The USDA is even a villein in Hollywood now. Yes that's right The USDA is represented in a new movie "We Bot a Zoo " as the shifty bag guy. They say that the press and movies are a good representation of the times there made, and also the psyche of society, and of the people .
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/09/12 04:56 PM

USDA Wildlife Services doing crow work in NY and PA

http://live.psu.edu/story/56979

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/r...Dykr8Vgmrg.cspx
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/09/12 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Out of work trap
The USDA is even a villein in Hollywood now. Yes that's right The USDA is represented in a new movie "We Bot a Zoo " as the shifty bag guy. They say that the press and movies are a good representation of the times there made, and also the psyche of society, and of the people .



USDA Veterinary Services who oversee animal health including livestock, zoos and research facilities to name a few and are the federal oversight for livestock disease.

I just keep finding it hard to understand how these off topic posts that don't related to WS help the case? We bought a zoo? Really?

Everyone in this fight should be sure they know which branch of USDA the posts they are writing are about.
Posted By: Out of work trap

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/09/12 08:31 PM

Yes Parker, it was Veterinary Services. You know that and I know that ,but all the people in the audience saw, in big letters on his truck and name badge was "USDA"

Now you know my history !, Here I am at the movies with my wife and 8 year old daughter. I just thought it to be Ironic. In a family movie the USDA is depicted as the Villein .
To tell you the truth. Mien and my wife's jaw dropped . And yes I did laugh out loud and and said " You Got to be Sh--ing me ,Hollywood is on them now.

PS - AR groups want all trapping and hunting ended, the govt. just helps them grab the most donor cash and hype!
This comment is why I stand by my statement! They are making all of us look like clowns. and the more fuel WS gives the AR's the closer we are to laws being pasted that will hurt the privet wildlife trappers!!!

Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/10/12 02:27 PM

Closing of 259 USDA Offices Raises Safety Concerns

..............and not one WS office-yet!

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/...s#ixzz1j3vOJ6Eh
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/23/12 05:16 PM

USDA doing Mute Swan work in MI

I also ask the question why should you need a permit to control an exotic/invasive species??????

http://www.whitelakebeacon.com/news/2650...tat-restoration
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/26/12 03:54 AM

USDA is doing pigeon control in TN

I guess USDA really respects the mou with npma.

http://www.wcyb.com/news/30299624/detail.html
Posted By: Vinke

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/26/12 06:32 AM

pisses me of your training is only for airport personnel,,,,,,,,,,,,, ALMOST as bad as the usdaws,,,,,,,,,,,,!!!!!!@
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/26/12 01:48 PM

Not all of them are. It is up to the host airport.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/26/12 02:39 PM

Think the writer missed the boat on how toxicants work. Either they are using alpha chloralose or 1339
One of which isn't a toxicants and the other isn't putting them to "sleep" at least not how most folks would interpret.
The multiple bids is interesting however the mou with npma doesn't cover all nwcos only those with npma membership in the area.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/01/12 02:07 PM

USDA Wildlife Services doing deer control in OH

http://www.wkyc.com/news/state/article/227860/23/Deer-population-burdens-Northeast-Ohio-suburbs
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/10/12 04:50 PM

What do you think?

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/news/rep...ontrol-poisons/
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/10/12 08:20 PM

Every time I get a no-brainer like this one, I end up being wrong. Maybe someone like Justin needs to comment on this one.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/10/12 09:28 PM

Paul,

the 1080 and sodium cyanide folks have been after this as a target of the AR agenda for many many decades.

here would be my .02 for the record (had this discussion with some AR folks on another forum not long ago, so
fresh in my mind.

1) 1080 in the US is only put in livestock protection collars. this for those in the know means that you only kill
the predator that bites the neck of that animal. if there is a more specific method of knowing you got the "right guy"
outside of seeing the event happen and pulling the trigger, I haven't heard it. these collars are expensive which means
they aren't put out willy nilly all over the countryside.

2) the dose is meant to kill that animal attacking, not cursory scavengers, etc... which is what the AR groups draw upon
to say this is a bad and awful chemical.

3) moving on to the M-44's, not only can agents of this outfit use them, but licensed applicators including ranchers in many
western states can as well.

4) there are more than 20+ rules that govern the deployment of these devices, which when pulled by the coyote discharge
the dose of sodium cyanide killing the coyote often within steps of the device.

5) the problems with both? well, frankly most of the dead canines of the domestic variety were killed by trespassing hikers and folks
who walked right past the mandatory signage or better yet, tore down the signage and proceeded to watch their canine companion
die in front of them.

I love my dogs, both of which died a couple of years back of old age, cancer related things. Both had been caught in footholds once
while on the line in Michigan with us, and both if I trespassed and walked past the "danger" "peligro" signage could have been lost to
these tools.

The bottom line for me is that the collar with 1080 is a no brainer, it is specific to the animal depredating, something the antis rail over
when it comes to widespread predator control with traps, snares and aerial hunting.

M-44's, yep this could result in another non-target pull, but the guys after these target coyotes don't want to work more hours to get
the same critter, so they are targeting with specific baits and lures and setting on sign and where damage is occurring,

Hope that helps provide some background for anyone not knowledgeable or on the fence.

Not defending the agency here, just stating facts about the two toxicants in question.

Justin
Posted By: Peskycritter

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/10/12 09:31 PM

There were doing deer on the west side of are state ,clamed the city dint have the funding so the fed tax payers flipped the bill
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/10/12 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Paul Winkelmann
Every time I get a no-brainer like this one, I end up being wrong. Maybe someone like Justin needs to comment on this one.


paul, i should have asked, you talking about the deer story or the other?
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/10/12 09:58 PM

You answered the right one, Justin, and as always gave a much better view of the whole subject. It took me way too long to learn that most questions have more than one answer. Even though sometimes I really don't like one of the answers; there is so much truth in the slogan: " YOU WILL NEVER LEARN A THING FROM SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH YOU."
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/12/12 01:09 AM

USDA wildlife services get 90k for geese removal in pa.
Still think your not missing out on work?

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/04/11/3158466/airport-gets-ok-to-curtail-duck.html
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/24/12 04:49 PM

USDA soliciting more work and critical of the local trappers and hunters.

http://m.wset.com/default.aspx?pid=2705&...type%3drssstory
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/01/12 11:25 PM

Although the reasoning behind this legislation is sound, the wording may be to broad. USDA may use this to expand their power to compete against us.

What do you think?

SEC. 12206. CANADA GEESE REMOVAL.
http://www.ag.senate.gov/issues/farm-bill
(a) In General.—On a determination by the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration that the population of Canada geese residing on land under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service that is located within 5 miles of any commercial airport poses a risk to flight safety, the Secretary (acting through the Administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service), in consultation with the Secretary of the Interior and the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, shall—
(1) by the first subsequent molting period for Canada geese that occurs after the date of enactment of this Act, publish a management plan that provides for the removal, by not later than 1 year after the date of publication, of all Canada geese residing on the applicable land; and
(2) as soon as practicable after the date of publication of the management plan under paragraph (1), commence removal of Canada geese from the applicable land.
(b) JFK International Airport.—Not later than June 1, 2012, the Secretary (acting through the Administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service) shall—
(1) issue a record of decision for the document entitled "Supplement to the Environmental Impact Statement Bird Hazard Reduction Program: John F. Kennedy International Airport"; and
(2) commence consultation with the Secretary of the Interior to complete the collection and removal of Canada geese from the applicable National Park Service land to ensure that the removal is completed by not later than August 1, 2012.
 
 
http://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/newsroo...ratic-red-tape_  
 
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 12:50 PM

Wildlife 2 where did it state WS was critical of local trappers catching coyotes? Also a bounty program is ineffective and has been proven to be a waste of money time and time again!
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 03:45 PM

Maybe an actual bounty wont affect the population drasticly. But having a contest will; Prize money is all provided by the entry fees, and if you dont think contests mess up the population, ask any fisherman. Now we have to plant fish every year or there wouldnt be anything left to catch.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 04:17 PM

Mike NO offense but coyotes sure ain't fish!!!!! You know many calling contest where held in my old area? A pile and they had little overall effect on the coyotes period. Having a trapping contest or calling or both when most take place would have little effect on the coyote population for the means in which many portray them to do and or solve.

GOOD Coyote control for the most part is doing timely control in and around the areas that need it the most. Not creaming the crop and moving on. That solves no issues what so ever. Most contest are held when you have the highest population of coyotes ina year cycle, ina few days time even your not going to have any direct impact to due to dispearsal of thoise coyotes at these times of year. Kill coyotes out of an area in the Fall and winter and see how long it takes to fill in good coyote habitat.

IN the upper Missouri watersheds they have many walleye fishing contest and they have little impact on the population due to the abundance of great walleye habitat, food and rearing. Fishing lakes and ponds far different than a large river system.
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 04:54 PM

I see where you are coming from, but dead coyotes dont breed much. We just gotta make it a popular activity to produce coyote corpses.The fur is pretty worthless by the time you trap and care for the fur, it is hardly worth the time. I dont know a bigger motivator, but Im always open for ideas.
I spent 45 days in San Diego trapping coyotes and tore em up pretty good back in 05 or 06. I havent had many calls up until this year in that area.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 05:39 PM

No less effective and no more expensive than Wildlife services!
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 05:42 PM

Not sure what this is, but it is clear that USDA WS did not inform them that there are service providers in the private sector.  
A clear violation of their own directive.



https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&...06037f2731ca60c
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 05:45 PM

Originally Posted By: intheweeds
Wildlife 2 where did it state WS was critical of local trappers catching coyotes? Also a bounty program is ineffective and has been proven to be a waste of money time and time again!


Third paragraph
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 07:03 PM

Look I'm not trying to get into a wissing contest with any of you, but when I read BS I'm going to state such.

Mike if you think in any good coyote habitat that you as 1 person on the ground trapping can have a true impact on coyotes for any length of time in and by itself so be it, but that goes against the grain so many times not even funny. Good coyote habitat fills in much quicker than many think, not months or years but can be measured in weeks out to 6 weeks most of the year, those are the facts. Specially when your trapping durring times of fur harvest!

Yes dead coyotes don't breed much but either do the majority of the pup's your trapping that takes place come fall and early winter in a healthy coyote population. Up until breeding and through it you will have dispersal taking place meaning kill all you want in Nov_ Feb and come March and April there will be more coyotes there! The ones doing clean outs and looking to set on a den. Habtiat selection by coyotes is a higher archy. Good coyote habitat will have fill in up and through the spring time! Again fact not fiction!

Plenty of people put pressure on coyotes all fall and into the winter with far more than a limited tool or two and come spring they are filled up with coyotes once again. Purely factual.

Wildlife 2 the cost part might have some merit, the effectivness does not! Trapping in and of itself is a limited means to reduce coyote issues unless working very small scale. If you have 5-6 sheep ranchers and they have 6,000 acres each trying to cover 30,000 acres with traps and charging either a daily fee or per dead coyote merely in the fall and winter your not helping them come spring lambing much at all. There is a reason coyote control people invest in more tools you need them to be efficant and to cover more than a guy or two with a few 100 acres of ground.

I guess I'm missing the paragraph please copy and paste Thank You.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 07:04 PM

Fur trapping and depredation control are so apples and oranges not even close to the same.
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 07:31 PM

The fur trapping wasnt on the table for me weeds. I got 153 yotes in the first 30 days because they were forced into the city, and were causing major damage, even inside homes. A big fire pushed them into the city because that was the only place they could get a meal. They were in huge packs as big as 22 and real easy to target. I focus on items like these because they are a problem, and make me lots of money.
Not to say they wont fill in, but without an 8 foot fence, and another foot going underground i dont see anyplace being free of yotes.
Im sure the next time there is a big fire out there it will go nutts again. What I am trying to get at, is that I could care less about range coyotes. They were temporarilly in the city for a reasion, and so was I.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 07:46 PM

MIke you had a 1 in a million deal there fire moves all kinds of wildlife, but do you think it was your abilities that have kept you from going back or the fact no more fires concentraiting them as a bigger factor?

The point is one has to talk about range coyotes as that is the NORM of predator control, fires are not!!!!

I had a rancher where I kept his loses at a respectable rate of less than 5% annually,I can tell you for a fact fall/winter fur trapping isn';t what kept his losses down!!!! Never will.I had that happen as well, the same thing great coyote habitat burned up due to drought, 28,000 acres of prime coyote drainage his losses where higher because of it, that is the abnormal not the norm. You where working the coyotes because of people sightings, I was working to keep a 100% sheep rancher in business.Year in and out. It was never about the money for me if it where you wouldn't have people in the open range ADC workings, becuase I can tell you your never getting rich working for the program !!!!

2 different lines of thought one to bank as much cash as possible, the other to help livestock producers with their production numbers.

Bottom line until you added in the abnormal situation of a massive fire, you posted as such to give the impression that trapping in and of itself and you where the main reason there have been no call backs since 05/06. Was that your doing or mother natures? I can tell you it was mother nature and providing renewed habitat for prey species for those coyotes.

When ever someone makes statments as yours there is ALWAYS an underlying factor involved. Mange is a great coyote control tool but no one can say becuase of my efforts, it is mange that has lessened the phone calls and loss alot of the times. Take a "normal" period of time and trapping by itself is not benefical solution over all in the big scheme to portray such is well??????
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 07:56 PM

Hey Mike, I consider you kind of an authority on Wisconsin and coyotes. As many as we seem to have and also considering both size and health, I feel that they are not nearly as big a problem as they could be. What's your feelings?
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 08:33 PM

I do understand them, at least I think I do. I dont see them becoming a problem here as much for lots of reasions. We hunt and trap for one. That decreases the size of packs, and makes the whole (power in numbers) thing a factor in our favor. Fewer members means less able to have fresh wheels at the end of the line to take down bigger animals. They actually do drive prey to escape routes like we do, where a waiting one takes up the chase and finishes the job.
We havent had a huge catastrophy in the wild, pushing them to enter homes, or live on cats and dogs because thats all there is available. Out west they did just that, and it was realy crazy. Even little kids were getting chased, and some dragged around before the kids parent broke it up. One old man called me while his dog was dying in his arms. He tried to save the dog which was attacked while on a leash walking in broad daylight. As he ran home with the dog in his arms, a coyote was hanging from his bicept.
We dont have that here, at least Ive never heard of it. Our yotes are much larger, and smaller packs. There is always fresh roadkill, and no reasion to do such desperate things.
Farmers complain about cows getting bloody tails from them, but they dont wanna pay my fees; So they have cows with bloody tails.
Now weeds, I am not ever going to say that I am the bestest dog trapper out there, and I also wasnt backed into a corner to tell any aspects of that operation. I was pretty up front about the whole issue. Nor do I care how you do your little friendly thing with the poor farmers in yer neck o the woods. I saw a need, I took care of bizzness, and I came home. If mother nature is to thank, then thanks mother nature. Actually it was a firefighter I have to thank for it all. I guess he wanted some overtime and threw a match. In any event, I go where the money is( Cause I do this for a living) I dont hate farmers, but they always want something for free, and when they hear my prices and sound like they dont like it, I send them a list of local trappers. I wont waste my time with a cheep coyote job when I can do a bat job in half the time for 10 times the money.

Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 08:48 PM

Weeds, I was actually trapping that operation in june and july. Lots of hungry pups, and to the people there, a coyote is a coyote. Easy job to sell when they just found the family dog ripped up in the living room. Im not sure why you think putting pressure on yotes wont work, look what we did to wolves here 75 years ago. Still think its just a matter of weeks? Fact is, we need more people willing to take coyote control seriously in problem areas. Only then will we be able to control what they do.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 09:03 PM

Mike states like WI and others in the mid west don't have as many coyote issues as the west for many reasons, smaller land tracts more human interaction DAILY, less livestock and zero open range livestock production. WI along with states like IA and MO and others have a very large small prey base, unless talking north woods and then the wolves help limit coyote numbers and densities as well.

Other areas have that without fires, there is areas in the west where coyotes have sancutarys and they attack dogs and cats, Denver, Ft Collins and other cities have had issues with coyotes and local pets.

Most Ranchers and farmers aren't "cheap" as you say they need cost versus effect. They need to see the problem one that warrants the cost no different than when they apply a self tax to themselves to help pay for wildlife control like they do in many western states Mike. In WY every rancher pays 1.00 per head on cattle and sheep add that up statewide and they contribute alot of money for themselves, other states do the same. They can choose to receive services from private contractors or govt agnecies they pay into that with their money and have a stake in it.

I never heard of a "cheap" coyote job where I have worked. I don't see the people as a means of money for me, they are friends and neighbors and many great ADC western coyote men take the loss as hard as do the ranchers, different mind sets No right or wrong just different. It is a part of the western heritage been around alot longer than you or I Mike. I hope it continues on for many more years to come.

For the record most coyotes in the west are exploited coyote populations are not true pack animals most are made up of Ma and PA and offspring until fall then break up, they will gather back in heavy snow to work bigger game, but they don't have a true packing mentality like wolves. On spring dens it is made up of ma and pa and a nurse mate ussally a female from the previous year whoi is dry but that can change but talking the avg setup. Early hefier calvers will have large groups of coyotes in and around them but not true packing at all, just high coyote densities, but come denning time they are broken up defending their own niche in life.

Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 09:10 PM

Sure you have issues in your state to Mike with dogs and coyotes:

http://www.wkow.com/story/16446093/dog-attacked-by-coyote-in-madison

http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/m...1871e3ce6c.html

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/111827339.html
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 09:21 PM

I'm not going to argue about coyotes with either one of you because you both know way more than I do. What I will argue is farmers. THEY ARE CHEAP: I KNOW 'CAUSE I ARE ONE! You cannot compare ranchers to farmers. Ranchers are worth a fortune but may not have a lot of cash flow. Farmers have smaller acreage but still have their first communion money. Ranchers leave their kids a fortune in land. Farmers just leave their kids a fortune.
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 09:37 PM

Coyotes dont always attack for food weeds. A january attack could indicate that a male is taking out the competition. Male coyotes do that in the real world. The differance between me and you is mostly that I didnt learn everything I know from reading and posting links. I have actually gone there and done that.
Smaller tracks of land: San Diego has thousands of acres of brush land to live and hunt. more rabbits and squirrels than anywhere ive ever been.
Posted By: Lobo Rojo

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 10:25 PM

Intheweeds is the only one that seems to grasp that there is a huge difference in coyote trapping and control geographically. Midwest farm situations and California urban situations are not the same as open range western coyote control. Unless you have been HERE and done that, you have no grasp of the situation HERE. The big livestock areas and problems. Wyoming, Montana, Nevada, western SD, etc. I am one trapper, who used to work for the USDA, and now contract to my county privately, and I alone take care of over 3000 sq miles of territory and over 30000 head of sheep and close to that number of cattle. I'm not getting into your ongoing argument over WS, just talking specifically about what intheweeds has tried to explain about coyotes in western range conditions. It's different.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 10:43 PM

In the weed. The last link I posted was from your state. No comment?
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 10:55 PM

Im not sure why you think putting pressure on yotes wont work, look what we did to wolves here 75 years ago.

Mike you can't be serious to think wolves and coyotes are the same can you? I can tell you they are not! If wolves had the drive to sruvive like coyotes we would all be in trouble!

Not putting pressure on coyotes but killing when the killing has the most benefit is "KEY". I hear too many that think fall/winter fur trapping or a bounty has the same effects as timely predator control, they do not most of the time.

I'm well aware why coyotes kill: food,agression, to protect territory and at times just for the sake of such.

I am a past ADC Trapper Mike worked for the govt, enjoyed it fully and learned alot through the years from some of the best in the business. Names most don't know because they don't spend their time on websites such as these. But excellent coyote hands for sure and know them well. When you chase coyotes all months of a year in areas of very heavy exploitation you get to see them at their best and their worst and you use their weekness to get rid of them in an efficant manner. I can tell you at times of the year there are other tools far more efficant than traps! AS Lobo Rojo pointed out when you cover 2,500-3,000 sq miles you sure keep busy and put in alot of long days, you learn you have to, to be good at your craft and also to keep the very people you work for happy.

You must remember in sheep country coyote tolerance is very,very low and they are pursued with every thing you can think of and then some. Yet somehow they still manage to survive and I can tell you if your only tool in your bag is the foot trap then your not going to be very effective. The more tools one has the more efficant one can be, your on a timeline as more loss means less lambs going to the sale barn come Sept and October. The sheep market is at all time highs and looks to stay there for awhile, your not going to hear less from these ranchers but more on livestock losses.

San Dieago is not open range Mike, and yet if you would have read what I wrote I was talking about the mid west. I know a guy who takes Bees to Cali every winter to pollinate almonds and he says you wouldn;t believe the numbers of coyotes he see's and how they have little fear of humans, a few years back he took his fox pro caller and while there he fired it up as 30-40 guys where working the almond fields and had 5 coyotes come within 200 yrds of him, weaving their way through all the tractors and people. A far different "bird" for sure. They see humans as a Positive not so much a negative in that enviroment, I would love to call that area!!!!! Opportunistic is what they are for sure! Coyotes in heavy persicution don't act like that very often or they wind up dead in a hurray!
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 11:02 PM

Lost income laying dead on the prairie! Sad to see. Maybe to some others could care less, but I care as this country was founded and explored through activites as such. Alot of our American history lies in the west and the wars fought over cattlemen and sheepmen and the hardships endured. Where I used to live you could read and see photo's of the old days of long before auto's sheepmen trailing all their herds many days to get to a buying station to get them loaded on rail car and sent to the big packing plants in the mid west. Some weeks of travel all to get 1 pay check a year. A hard life but one with some satisfaction. I guess I have too much old west in me laugh











Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 11:11 PM

Wildlife 2 without knowing for sure I'm betting a bird deal in downtown St Louis? I think it states they are all federal buildings as well correct? I see nothing wrong what so ever with them getting this MOU and contract. I mean it is vague as to what the workis and how it went about with the information you provided.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/03/12 11:41 PM

What did they do before thire reliance on the government in the 1930's?
I don't think the wild west was tamed by WS.
WS was created as a work program as part of the new deal.
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/04/12 12:43 AM

Whats wrong with feds protecting there own buildings and forests?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/04/12 12:48 AM

If that is your logic why do the Feds put anything out to bid? Maybe the feds should raise the sheep and butcher them to. I'm sure they can do that better as well.
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/04/12 12:51 AM

If they own the sheep, why not?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/04/12 12:52 AM

What agency do you work for?
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/04/12 01:02 AM

1st. Civ. Div.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/04/12 01:23 AM

According to the sense of the senate USDA WS must not provide wildlife control when private sector sources are available.
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/04/12 01:30 AM

Fine with me either way. I dont like doing work for any local, state, fed, govt. So, as far as I go, they can do there own wildlife control on the buildings and property they are responsible for. Not saying you shouldn't, If thats your bag then you should definately go after it.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/04/12 12:35 PM

What did they do before thire reliance on the government in the 1930's

You must look back at history to the dust bowl era and then what followed after that, you had increases in livestock from the early- mid 30's to the early 40's as much as 50%. AS the livestock numbers increased so did the need for control work.

You must also remember wildlife 2 many species have adapted far better thsn many have thought, how many years ago coyotes where thought as a western plains animal? Now every state is full of them and it goes on for other species. The open range is still the cheapest way to grow cattle and sheep due to many factors and to ensure a supply for our country and others. Anyone ever think what beef/lamb would cost without western open range production?

In western states the livestock numbers are higher than that of people!
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/05/12 01:33 AM

intheweeds, I'm sure what you say about western beef verses cost is very true. I just think it's funny that on a trip out west we didn't get a single good tasting piece of beef until we got back to those good old corn-fed Angus and White-face in Iowa. When it comes to beef, us mid-westerners are spoiled rotten.
Posted By: DAVE SALYS-CWCP

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/05/12 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Paul Winkelmann
intheweeds, I'm sure what you say about western beef verses cost is very true. I just think it's funny that on a trip out west we didn't get a single good tasting piece of beef until we got back to those good old corn-fed Angus and White-face in Iowa. When it comes to beef, us mid-westerners are spoiled rotten.

Paul I've lived here over 12 years and still haven't found a really good steak in a restaurant anywhere in this state, first they are over priced second most cuts are a mere tidbit. What they call the king cut at 16oz(before cooking) wouldn't even make a good sandwich. A real steak starts at 24oz and goes up from there. Come to my house and I'll go get some 24oz plus porterhouses doing a little marinade on them, BBQ to perfection which means a good red to pink center, baked taters, big salad, corn on the cob from the garden and your choice of adult beverage. Hungry yet?
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/05/12 03:47 AM

Paul remember that western beef the majority goes to feedlots to get marbled and then sold to the large packers. Not to say ranchers don't finish off their own for in house use because they do. Also young grass fed beef is quite good! Also 90 day corn fed Bison and choice cuts are as good as most beef you will find in the store. Same goes for a nice wether lamb finished on corn and under 95 lbs some of the best lamb chops you will ever have!

I had some great ribeye from our local store when I lived out west, well marbled and corn finished.

Marinate good beef???? Really? I have always found it odd that someone would pay good money for choice or prime beef then mask that flavor with anything but light salt to be masking that great beef flavor!

Don't forget though that the anti corn crowd of beef consumers are willing to pay Great money for gras fed and finished Beef!!!! A great market for a smaller % of that open range beef for some that are willing to market as such.
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/05/12 06:57 PM

Weeds, A marinade makes all the differance in the world on any meat. If a guy has time to let it sit for a couple days and drink it up. We all have our preferred way of eating. My favorite is like this.
Couple shots of soy sauce
Leamon juice (Go easy)
Palm Vinegar ( Half cup)
Jalipeno peppers
Black pepper
Whole ball of garlic
Cilantro
Onion
Ginger
Salt
Throw it all in a blender and make it liquid and soak anything you want in there for a couple days. Cooked over mesquite charcoal, NONE BETTER!
Posted By: DAVE SALYS-CWCP

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/06/12 12:05 AM

I think we're stealing this post. Who cares. Simple marinade doesn't change the over all flavor, a little soy sauce, a little olive oil and a sprinkle of Montreal Steak Seasoning(spicy preffered)let sit at room tempurature for an hour. I eat everything spicy, something ya'll don't know about me is I almost ended up living in Cabo San Lucas. I was engaged to a Mexican gal who's family owned an RV park there. I even owned a home there for a while. Today is May 5th Cinco de Mayo, Martha's 60th birthday, yes I almost married an older women. Do you know whats the best thing about older women?
They don't tell, they don't swell and they are gratefull as H*ll. laugh
Now how did I end up in Montana? That's a whole different story.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/06/12 01:35 AM

Very interesting make sure you read the whole thing.
Some very good points. Usda gives anti all they need to make us all look bad.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/28/4450678/the-killing-agency-wildlife-services.html
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/06/12 04:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Wildlife2
Very interesting make sure you read the whole thing.
Some very good points. Usda gives anti all they need to make us all look bad.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/28/4450678/the-killing-agency-wildlife-services.html


they are just one of the biggest anti targets thats all, don't kid yourself, trapping, hunting etc... all on the firing line for antis.

best part, read the caption under the picture, if you believe that quote of "little danger to cattle" should probably find a new forum
to post on.

also gotta love the terminated employee jumping up now and running his mouth on the bandwagon where he's found new friends
in the anti realm to help him stick it to the govt.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/06/12 01:43 PM

Exactly HD, coyote numbers and calf kills in the western half of the US have a direct corrilation with one another.

USDA/WS has been on the anti's hit list for many years, nothing new or mind blowing there. To a degree the fed govt involvement in control work helps private trappers not hinders it!
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/06/12 10:51 PM

Please tell me how it helps Nwcos?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/06/12 10:57 PM

I think the USDA should continue to help agriculture. Put that only makes up five percent of thier budget. NWCO should be doing the other 95%.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/07/12 01:49 AM

How does WS help ALL in the trapping business fur or otherwise? Look at the R&D work done under WS through the years, the scientific data that aids trappers of all walks of life. Also look at the surveys done on who Joe Public thinks has the most knowledge and expertise on wildlife in general, right or wrong in your Bias mind wildlife 2 it i sits with govt agencies be it fed or state.

WS and state game depts that are pro fur harvest/ pro control help all trappers in the public realm against the anti crowd, those are the facts!
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/07/12 04:45 PM

I don't believe I have ever said anything negative about the efforts of state agencies. After all mammals are the responsibility of the states, not the feds.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/08/12 12:31 AM

wildlife2 the laws enacted in the early part of the 1900's do in fact make it a legal obligation for the fed govt to control some of the damage as well if asked by the states and ag producers to do so.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/09/12 02:29 PM

Some free advertising for USDA wildlife services.
No mention of private NWCO's. Does NH have a state org?

http://m.sentinelsource.com/mobile/featu...840421779d.html
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/09/12 02:31 PM

Obligation or ability?
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/09/12 03:47 PM

Quote:
Some free advertising for USDA wildlife services.
No mention of private NWCO's. Does NH have a state org?


I've never heard of a state wco organization in NH. We do have a very small trapper's association though.

This article is certainly an ad by and for WS. I don't believe there are any feral hogs in NH. After more than thirty years of roaming the NH woods, I've seen neither sign nor animal. I've never met anyone who has either.

If you ever wandered the NH countryside in winter you would understand why I think feral hogs are just a fantasy here.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/10/12 02:07 AM

OBLIGATION IF ASKED FOR and some if not, but co op with many states Game and Fish on many projects.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/10/12 02:29 AM

So not a true obligation?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/10/12 05:30 PM

federal employees being paid to blog, what a good use of our tax dollars.
I'm glad we are paying our competitors to advertise against us.

http://blogs.usda.gov/2012/05/10/birdstrikes-at-homestead-airforce-base-down-90-thanks-to-usda/
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/11/12 09:47 AM

Here you go wildlife 2 read up on the LAWS on our Books. Yes obligation by definition of the law.

Animal Damage Control Act
Animal Damage Control Act (7 USC 426-426c) -- The Act of March 2, 1931, (46 Stat. 1468) provided broad authority for investigation, demonstrations and control of mammalian predators, rodents and birds.

Public Law 99-19, approved December 19, 1985, (99 Stat 1185) transferred administration of the Act from the Secretary of the Interior to the Secretary of Agriculture.

Pub. L. 102-190(Div. A, title III, Sec. 348, Dec. 5, 1991, 105 Stat. 1348) and P.L. 102-237 (Title X, Sec. 1013(d), 105 Stat. 1901, Dec. 13, 1991) added provisions directing the Secretaries of Defense and Agriculture, respectively, to take actions to prevent the introduction of brown tree snakes into other areas of the U.S. from Guam.

P.L. 106-387, effective October 28, 2000, 114 Stat, 1549, amended section 426 of the Act to give broad authority to the Secretary of Agriculture in carrying a wildlife services program with respect to injurious species.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/11/12 07:15 PM

Where does it give them authority to compete against private companies?
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/12/12 12:31 AM

I hate to agree with Weeds, but in my own opinion, there are people out there who cant affoard us. What are they supposed to do, live with an animal or bunch of bats in there house? I do some free work close by, but everyone isn't a softy like me, and I can't be everywhere. Im not talking about crackheads, or drunks. Just good people who are having a rough time, and now this... I think its a good thing that the feds can actualy help someone out instead of just talking about it.
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/12/12 11:25 AM

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20120508/NEWS/120509811?p=1&tc=pg

Tman member jtrapper was involved in this one.
I know for a fact that ttown is served by at least four different WCO operations.
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/12/12 11:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike Flick
I hate to agree with Weeds, but in my own opinion, there are people out there who cant affoard us. What are they supposed to do, live with an animal or bunch of bats in there house? I do some free work close by, but everyone isn't a softy like me, and I can't be everywhere. Im not talking about crackheads, or drunks. Just good people who are having a rough time, and now this... I think its a good thing that the feds can actualy help someone out instead of just talking about it.


Mike, we as an industry can address that. I was recently part of a three company collaberation on a rat trapping and exclusion project for a non profit.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/12/12 12:32 PM

USDA only works for "free" or at a vary low price when they know there are NWCOs trying to get the work.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/12/12 12:37 PM

Where does it give them authority to compete against private companies?

The very essence of the law gives them that authority in many areas.


The Secretary of Agriculture may conduct a program of wildlife services with respect to injurious animal species and take any action the Secretary considers necessary in conducting the program. The Secretary shall administer the program in a manner consistent with all of the wildlife services authorities.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/12/12 12:40 PM

Mike your a level headed person for sure! Not evryone can afford private contracts and people pay the fed govt taxes as well, what does our fed govt do with these tax dollars? Also for many the cost versus effect is more benefical having the govt ran program over a private paid to hire deal, NOT ALL but plenty of it does work better for various reasons.

Also states have the authority to ask for or deny any help from the govt as well.
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/12/12 12:53 PM

Oh gee, I guess the busiest airport in the world and a multimillion dollar internationlly known resort qualify as low income then and deserve the free services they have been getting.
Posted By: Mike Flick

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/12/12 01:50 PM

Airports I understand them being security twitchey, but not resorts. So where do we draw the line and co-exist before we start getting huffy about the situation?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/13/12 02:15 AM

A true believer you are.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/14/12 12:14 PM

Warrior what does the busiest airport in the world have to do with the fed govt you ask?

Alot because ALL airports are under control fo the FAA, doesn't matter the smallest or the largest aircraft are a public safety concern and it all is under the control of the fed govt. Any aircraft related issue must be reported to our fed govt. It only stands to reason that govt entities would use other govt entities for work. Much of this is special permit stuff like migratory birds and the such.

Again you might see the largest airport as a cash cow and also the liability of doing such work would be very high. I used to be in the field of soil sterlization work and did some for Military bases, the insurance coverage they want you to have is very high and then it goes out for bid generally every 1,2 or 3 years and it got to be very competitive to the point no sense having the work for what "SOME" where willing to do it for! It was busy work for employees as the profit went away when the bid prices kept going down not up as input cost and insurance cost went higher.
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/14/12 12:30 PM

Weed, I was asked to provide a bid. The two interesting items I learned were that WS, for reasons unknown, is no longer offering these services, and the fees charged by WS for these services, when they did do them, was ZERO. This was from two different entities.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/14/12 05:33 PM

In the weeds get your facts straight. Not all airports are controlled by the FAA. Some are, others by the state, and believe it or not some are private.
There are hundreds of thousands of private companies that provide a variety of service the the aviation industry.
I can't imagine they are all doing it for no profit?

On USDA they like to say the work it to specialized or insurance is to high. That is just thier attempt to make them sound better and to scare client from using us.
Usda will charge over 200k for a project when we are not in the picture. If they know we have the potential to get the work USDA will only charge 20k for that same project. Is this ethical?
Simple FOIA requests have proven this fact on several occasions.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/15/12 11:54 AM

Wildlife2:
3. What airports must have an FAA Airport Operating Certificate (AOC)?

Generally, airports in any state of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any territory or possession of the United States serving passenger-carrying operations of an air carrier certificated under 14 CFR Part 121 and 14 CFR Part 380 must hold Airport Operating Certificates if -
Scheduled passenger-carrying operations are conducted in aircraft designed for more than 9 passenger seats, and
Unscheduled passenger-carrying operations are conducted in aircraft designed for at least 31 passenger seats,
The authorizing statute exempts Alaskan airports that serve air carrier aircraft with less than 30 seats from Federal airport certification requirements. To learn more about the certification of Alaskan airports, review Alaskan Airports.

Also, any such airport that either leases from or shares its facility with the U.S. Government, such as the Department of Defense, must obtain a Part 139 Airport Operating Certificate for those portions of a joint-use or shared-use airport that are within the authority of a person serving passenger-carrying operations defined above


Wildlife 2 we are talking this issue sure there are alot of private companies doing all kinds of work in the US I have no doubts and keeps america turning for sure.

Show me where I can find the same scope and job with a 10x's cost differance for the same workload?

Will always be some variance doesn't matter private or govt, I could list 100's or more on the private side as well, give me a link where one can see the same work and time involved with a 10x mark up by WS. I would love to read any FACTUAL information on this you have.
Posted By: inthetallgrass

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/15/12 11:58 AM

Warrior I think if you would read the laws you might see why they didn't charge a matter of public safety. WS also does mandatory wildllife assements at airports as well, any major work done at an aiport needs a wildlife assement doen and they do charge for such. Not alot but they do charge and has to be completed as your talking fed tax dollars involved in many cases.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/15/12 08:08 PM

I see you can can google info so look up any wha USDA has done in PA and you will see they are all over 100k some even 200k
Then look at states like NH and NE they are going for 20k
The work load is regulated by the FAA so the projects are exactly the same. I understand a variation from state to state but not that much. It is simply a result of the private sector being involved (able to bid) in one state and not the other I am Interested to see what spin you put on it.

Also not all airports need to be 139. Only ones with comerial traffic.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/15/12 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: intheweeds
Not alot but they do charge and has to be completed as your talking fed tax dollars involved in many cases.


Not a lot haha.
I want some of you cool aid.
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/15/12 09:08 PM

Hey guys, I'd like to sound off right here as someone who has been guilty of the same darn thing. Don't make a whole lot of fun of someone who disagrees with you. ( Especially if they seem to have more information than you do ) The guys that you learn from are not your friends; they are your so called, enemies.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/18/12 02:15 PM

You guys are loosing work in the windy city;

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=205369
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/14/12 02:33 AM

http://defundusda.wildlifeservices.us/

Interesting
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/14/12 07:49 PM

USDA wildlife services getting paid by tax payer dollors to do work in PA

http://www.equities.com/news/news-headline-story?dt=2012-06-13&val=164620&cat=headline
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/14/12 08:10 PM

The project is certainly worthwhile but it's hard to figure why they need WS (or anyone else) to get the job done.

Can no one in the Pennsylvania Game Commission shoot straight?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/15/12 04:08 PM

And another one in mass

http://www.barnstablepatriot.com/home2/i...3&Itemid=30
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/21/12 01:12 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47892081


Here is your chance to protect the future of our industry. Call and write your Senator and Congressman and tell them you want wording in the bill that restricts the power of USDA WS.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/22/12 10:46 AM

Another 50k lost to USDA.

http://mainlinemedianews.com/articles/20...bb617102325.txt
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/27/12 09:47 AM

Coyote work- Lost to USDA Wildlife Services in OR.

http://www.prd.state.or.us/news.php?id=1620
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/05/12 02:02 PM

USDA WS taking work in upstate NY
also spreading false information about the availiblity of NWCO's

http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/Canada-Geese-Ta-161261795.html
Posted By: Rem22-250

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/07/12 03:40 AM

Gotta love how it was paid for by a grant from the EPA.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/09/12 04:29 PM

USDA wildlife services growing their power in MI


http://www.michiganoutofdoors.com/2012/07/support-federal-involvement-in-mute-swan-management/
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/20/12 04:59 PM

NWCO loosing about 70K a year in western NY. and free advertising for USDA.

http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/175248/37/What-Towns-Are-Doing--And-Not-Doing--To-Control-Geese
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/20/12 05:00 PM

Anyone know how to apply for the grant?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/30/12 01:19 PM

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/241698/group/homepage/

Some free advertising for USDA Wildlife Services in ND,

By the way; NWCOs in ND you missed out on over 200 jobs in your state.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/31/12 04:06 PM

USDA WS gets more funding!

http://www.lagrandeobserver.com/News/Local-News/County-approves-budget-amid-uncertainty
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/16/12 05:50 PM

Is USDA trying to expand their power in Virginia?

Here is an EA that may lead to more control, and more competioin with the private sector. Please review and comment.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/regulations/pdfs/nepa/VA-Vulture%20EA%20supplement_Website%20%20DRAFT.pdf

or

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/regulations/ws/ws_nepa_public_notice_VA_2.shtml
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/02/12 03:13 AM

USDA wildlife services
Signing 5 year contracts in NE

http://www.co.lincoln.ne.us/index.php?op...s&Itemid=33
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/02/12 03:34 AM

Anyone need beaver work in NC?

http://www.ncwildlife.org/Portals/0/Trapping/Documents/BMAP_Obtaining_Service.pdf
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/02/12 03:38 AM

And yet another

http://www.vernoncounty.org/lwcd/wildlifeDamage.htm
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/02/12 03:44 AM

Another 20k to USDA wildlife services

http://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/DocumentCenter/Home/View/3998
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/02/12 03:51 AM

Interesting

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6_rHfOteEhUJ:www.aphis.usda.gov/foia/foia_logs/2012/May.xls+%22usda+wildlife+services%22+contract&cd=81&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/02/12 09:16 PM

2500 in WA


Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/11/12 03:45 AM

Once USDA knows the price of the bidders they then come in at half the price
This is proof that USDA undercuts private companies. Keep in mind they have charged over 200k for the same services.
This link will take you to a video player
jump to item 21

http://stcloudmn.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=397
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/11/12 10:56 AM

We had our atate beekeepers meeting this past weekend and one of our speakers spoke about their efforts to set up an independant non profit bee lab in NC. It was interesting to hear the issues he faced with resistance from acedemics (universities and the whole grant processs) and the USDA (Beltsville lab). We ain't the only ones that have issues with the USDA. On that side of the house the universities and Beltsville are locked into the grant process and it is incestuous. The short term grant programs and the rush to get published actually impede long term research. I really hadn't spotted it until this speaker mentioned it but almost all of these "studies" are designed around the short term to obtain the grant (which the universities bleed off more than half for "overhead") and then get the results published. So almost all of the so called studies reflect only one or two variables over the course of a single season instead of over several seasons to determine sustainability.
Interesting to me to see the system so rigged to keep the tax dollars flowing.
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/12/12 12:49 AM

David, I love reading your posts. Your mom did a great job!
Posted By: Rem22-250

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/12/12 03:22 AM

We are drowning in our own beuracracy!
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/15/12 01:09 AM

Free advertising for USDA
http://www.the-dispatch.com/article/20120912/News/309129985
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/18/12 02:21 PM

Wonder who is funding this in NY.
I guess nwcos are not qualified to do the work?

http://blog.syracuse.com/outdoors/2012/09/operation_pig-out_usda_works_w.html


How many nwcos are doing hog control?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/20/12 02:06 PM

http://www.pressconnects.com/assets/pdf/CB172981412.PDF

The above link pertaining to USDA wild hog work in New York State. This speaks for itself. This was a 8 month operation and netting a grand total of 27 wild hogs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/22/12 01:36 AM

I received the official word from the MS Dept of Wildlife fisheries and Parks Furbearer Manager, after he and the law enforcement divison was adivsed of the 4 state trapping violations that the USDA Beaver Trappers were violating he has advised me that a AGREEMENT exsist to allow this to occur. No state statues exist excempting the USDA from violating 4 state trapping laws, except this unpublished AGREEMENT. And the agreement I susptect a memorandum of understanding between the federal and state agency remains unpublished and unavailable at this time.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/22/12 01:42 AM

Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/22/12 02:01 AM

[quote=rnations]I received the official word from the MS Dept of Wildlife fisheries and Parks Furbearer Manager, after he and the law enforcement divison was adivsed of the 4 state trapping violations that the USDA Beaver Trappers were violating he has advised me that a AGREEMENT exsist to allow this to occur. No state statues exist excempting the USDA from violating 4 state trapping laws, except this unpublished AGREEMENT. And the agreement I susptect a memorandum of understanding between the federal and state agency remains unpublished and unavailable at this time. [/quote/]

If there is novstate law an mou can not except them.
What you need to do is ask your state assembly man or state representive to write a letter to the state game commision asking them to explain and justify why usda is exempt from the state laws.
Posted By: Kirk De

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/22/12 10:54 AM

They do the same here.

The state has a way to regulate "whatever-however" (paraphrased) if it is "needed"(interpretation is the way they do it). They want to "protect" the public.

It just depends on whose side the state is on, in my opinion. Makes sense, though, doesn,t it?

When the state tried to stop me from trapping for counties several years ago, I was told by the head of Law Enforcement that I would be arrested and fined if I continued. He said that the only way I could continue was if the Attorney General of the State of Georgia O K'd it.

About 10 days later I got a letter from Head of DNR telling me I could continue.

We got the law changed 6 months later.
Posted By: Kirk De

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/22/12 12:06 PM

On a different note.

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We sell a very wide variety of cage traps. Many unlike no other. As far as I can tell, USDA personel or the USDA has purchased less than 5 over the years.

Have had two instances when they saw my Hog designs, they said they were going to approach their bosses to try and get 25 or more(on each occasion). Said they were the best they had seen. Even offered a new design that allows multiples, unlike other designs .

The last inquiry was fairly recent.

Maybe it just takes time. Maybe I have ruffled some feathers.

It all boils down to what is best to do your job as a trapper. As for the Government, it "should" be what is best to do the job for the public they work for.

_______________________________________________

I have sold traps to the military.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/23/12 03:52 AM

Finally some good news!

Just wanted to let you know that the PESTT (Pest Elimination Services Transparency & Terminology) Act was introduced last Thursday.  Introduced by Congressmen Mulvaney and Schrader, the bill is also cosponsored by Congressmen Duncan (TN), Duncan (SC), Guthrie, and Southerland and Congresswomen Schmidt and Chu.

In a nutshell, the PESTT Act would establish immediate parameters as to the type of work USDA/Wildlife Services can and cannot perform by defining the term “urban rodent control.”  (WS authorizing statute does not authorize WS to engage in “urban rodent control.”)  In addition, the bill directs GAO to conduct a study prioritizing WS’ functions and recommending ways to avoid competition with the private sector.  This bill is a good first step in refocusing WS’ mission and ensuring that the agency does not unnecessarily compete with the private sector in the future.   
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/24/12 03:25 PM

Gull Control Job in WI

http://www.littlechutewi.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=304
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/25/12 01:19 AM

Good Info

http://governmentcompetition.org/howgovtcompetes.html
Posted By: Peskycritter

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/26/12 12:35 AM

By Miguel Llanos, NBC News
Marksmen are hunting a pack of gray wolves in northeast Washington state this week after officials decided the entire pack — believed to number at least eight wolves — needed to be killed because of repeated attacks on cattle.

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The major conservation group working with Washington to manage its gray wolves agreed that the pack should be culled, but also blamed a rancher in the area for not doing more to protect his cattle.
Gray wolves are listed as endangered under state law because they were nearly wiped out a century ago by settlers.
In the last decade, however, gray wolves have started to re-establish themselves in Washington due to recovery efforts in nearby states and dispersal from Canada. 
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At least eight packs are now established in the eastern half of Washington, which also has a conservation plan in place — one that aims to restore wolves in the wild without those same wolves preying on livestock. The state compensates ranchers who lose livestock to wolves, but that hasn't ended the tension.
"Wolves are recolonizing our state relatively quickly," Dave Ware, a Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife spokesman, told NBC News. "Managing conflicts is one of the most important objectives for recovery so that people don’t take things into their own hands."
Officials last July killed one pack member to see if that would have an impact. The decision to kill the entire pack came after the pack's attacks on cattle continued. 
Conservation Northwest, a group working with the state, agreed that killing the pack was best for long-term recovery of gray wolves in the wild.
But director Mitch Friedman told NBC station KING 5 that rancher Bill McIrvine, who lost part of his herd to the pack, "has total responsibility for the problem" for not being as cooperative as other ranchers with programs aimed at keeping cattle and wolves apart.
The wildlife department, for its part, "has not been as firm as it needed to be," Friedman added, especially since McIrvine's cattle graze on public land.
McIrvine, for his part, earlier told KING 5 that he believes groups with "a radical environmental agenda" are conspiring to introduce gray wolves in order "to take our (grazing) lease from us."
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"We have the right to protect our property," McIrvine said, adding that he considered the wildlife department "a rogue government agency" that was essentially saying "we got to sit back and do nothing while the wolves kill our livestock."
Ware said efforts to get rancher cooperation for "non-lethal methods of preventing conflicts" have improved in recent weeks. Several agreements with ranchers should be in place for next year that will hopefully "avoid a repeat of the Wedge Pack situation," he said.
One obvious question is why not just move the wolves to a wilderness area away from livestock? 
"Experience from other states with recently recovered wolf populations indicates that survival of relocated wolves is not very high, especially if there are other wolf packs in the area where they are moved, which appears to be the case in most of northeast Washington," Ware said.
On top of that, "once a pack becomes habituated to eating livestock, moving them only moves the conflict" since wolf territories are larger than any wilderness area the state could ship them to, he said.
"Lethal removal is being conducted in every" state with gray wolves, Ware added, while acknowledging that since wolf recovery efforts are new in Washington "the concept of killing an endangered species to promote recovery is difficult to understand or accept."
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"As wolf recovery has progressed across the West, lethal removal has been an important part of that recovery and it has obviously not impacted wolf numbers or expansion of their range," Ware said. "We don’t expect it to be an impediment in Washington’s wolf recovery either."
"The Wedge area is good habitat, so wolves will likely recolonize relatively quickly over the next year or two," Ware said.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/05/12 07:34 PM

Finally something to help us

The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Wildlife Services program was founded in the late 19th Century to control predators and protect America agriculture.  A 1987 law authorized WS to manage nuisance birds and mammals in non-agricultural settings. While the law was expressly intended to permit WS to control birds at airports and engage in rabies prevention activities, it is written very broadly and actually give WS the authority to perform almost any type of nuisance wildlife control work imaginable (regardless of whether it is in competition with the private sector), except “urban rodent control.”  Unfortunately, the law doesn’t define the phrase, so the exception is unclear and toothless.
 
Professional pest and wildlife management companies have complained to National Pest Management Association staff for many years about competition from WS for various nuisance wildlife work.  Moreover, WS receives much of its work through sole source contracts from state and local governments, so most pest and wildlife management professionals aren’t even aware that they’ve lost work to the federal government that they are fully capable of performing.  NPMA has strived just as long to try to address those concerns.  Most recently, NPMA helped Congressmen Mick Mulvaney (R-SC) and Kurt Schrader (D-OR) and their staffs develop legislation entitled “Pest Elimination Services Transparency & Terminology (PESTT) Act” (H.R. 6470). 
 
In a nutshell, the PESTT Act defines the phrase “urban rodent control,” thereby establishing some clear parameters as to the work in which WS can and cannot engage.  The bill further directs the General Accountability Office to write a report to Congress identifying services WS performs that the private sector has the capability and capacity to provide and ways to avoid competition for nuisance wildlife work in the future. 
 
Other House members that have signed on as cosponsors of the legislation include Congresswomen Jean Schmidt (R-OH) and Judy Chu (D-CA) and Congressmen Jeff Duncan (R-SC), John Duncan (R-TN), Brett Guthrie (R-KY), and Steve Southerland (R-FL). 

Click here to read the bill and use the link below to send a pre-written message to your House member asking he or she to cosponsor the PESTT Act when Congress reconvenes for the “lame-duck” session after the November 6 election.   Thanks in advance for helping build support in Congress for this important, much needed legislation.
 

Click the link below to log in and send your message:
http://www.votervoice.net/link/target/npma/izEqGGrb.aspx
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/08/12 01:45 PM

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-report-c...0,5452601.story
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/10/12 11:13 AM

5.4 Million dollars that could have gone to Private NWCOs in GA alone.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damage/state_report_pdfs/2010/10-georgia_report.pdf
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/10/12 11:18 AM

From the GA Report;

" WS applies wildlife
damage management to reduce damage associated with various wildlife species including
pigeons, blackbirds, starlings, sparrows, crows, vultures, geese, bats, and gulls"

Take note pigeons and bats

Still think they don't hurt you compnay?
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/10/12 11:46 AM

Correction Pigeons, Starlings , Sparrows & yes bats.

Of special note is the worthless memorandum for record with the NPMA.

http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentidonly=true&contentid=2008/08/0204.xml

This line from the MOU is total BS "WS will not actively seek to become involved in the control of nuisance birds in areas where pest management companies have the established capacity to meet consumers' needs."
Posted By: N-R Trapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/13/12 03:19 PM

Here,in Louisiana,LDWF instituted NWCO regulations,a few years ago,with the help of USDA-APHIS-WS and USFWS,they have an unwritten MOU,that includes anything concerning trapping in Louisiana,a relationship,that has become very cozy for all concerned parties,thanks,in a great deal to the ESA Louisiana Black Bear Recovery Program.There is a convenient regulation which excludes any governmental agency,municipal,parish (county),state or federal animal control agency,from all regulations,that licensed NWCO's are subject to,in the state of Louisiana.That is how easy it is to give them "carte blanche" from any state trapping regulations.Once,they are put in place,it becomes accepted as the status quo and no one seems to have a problem,with this arrangement,not even some NWCO trappers,who may be willing,silent participants,in this conflict of interest.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/31/12 02:39 PM

http://www.whiteville.com/news/wildlife-...19bb2963f4.html

More Beaver work lost in NC
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/07/12 02:24 PM

Crow work.
USDA kicked out a private company and is charging more.
http://m.postbulletin.com/postbulletin/pm_105557/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=o8CVdoxo
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/12/12 02:50 PM

MS NWCOS missing out on 10K?

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/201...;nclick_check=1
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/18/12 03:12 PM

Finally some media coverage for our cause.

 
 
Federal Wildlife Services makes a killing in animal-control business
By Tom Knudson
tknudson@sacbee.com
By Tom Knudson The Sacramento Bee
Last modified: 2012-11-18T08:03:33Z
Published: Sunday, Nov. 18, 2012 - 12:00 am | Page 1A
 
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/18/4994110/federal-wildlife-services-makes.html

As founder of one of the nation's largest urban wildlife damage control companies, Kevin Clark is no stranger to competition.
But one competitor costs him more business than any other: the federal government.
"Government is not supposed to compete, head to head, with the private sector when the private sector is already fulfilling the need," said Clark, chief executive officer of Critter Control, a franchise with branches in California. "Nuisance wildlife control operators are more than capable of handling these problems."
His concern is directed at an agency called Wildlife Services, which is already under scrutiny for its lethal control of predators and other animals in the rural West. A Bee investigative series earlier this year found the agency targets wildlife in ways that have killed thousands of non-target animals, including family pets, and can trigger unintended, negative ecological consequences.
Now the agency's killing of other species in more populated settings is drawing fire from entrepreneurs who say it siphons jobs away from private companies, lacks transparency and overlooks nonlethal alternatives.
"It's been such an uphill struggle," said Erick Wolf, CEO of a California firm called Innolytics, which developed a form of birth control for Canada geese and pigeons with help from Wildlife Services' scientists in Colorado.
Wildlife Services – which has killed 170,000 geese and more than 950,000 pigeons since 2000 – does not use it.
"All they want to do is shoot, trap and poison," said Wolf. "They don't want to consider anything else."
Wildlife Services spokeswoman Carol Bannerman defended the agency's contracting practices.
"Congress has provided Wildlife Services with the legislative authority to conduct wildlife damage activities, except for urban rodent control, wherever there is a need expressed by the public," she wrote in an email. "Wildlife Services advises all requestors of the existence of other service providers."
Interest is growing in Congress. A bill was introduced this fall to direct the U.S. Government Accountability Office to detail agency activities in conflict with private business.
"Where is the room for business to breathe?" said Gene Harrington, director of government affairs for the National Pest Management Association. "If you are going to suck the air out of the animal control business, what's next? Why not get into roofing? I'm sure OSHA could come up with a good roofing division."
Clientele to die for
Wildlife Services has broadened its reach in recent decades, thanks to an expansion of its mandate to "nuisance mammals and birds" in nonagricultural settings in 1987 by Congress. It also authorized the agency to continue to contract with clients and charge fees.
The agency has long shielded the names of its clients from disclosure. But recently it provided a partial list to The Bee in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
The information shows Wildlife Services does business with more than 2,500 customers, from Fortune 500 companies to ranchers, prisons to zoos, country clubs to cemeteries, landfills to airports to other agencies.
Collectively, those clients paid $72 million in fees to the agency in 2011, up from $52 million in 2006.
Corporate clients include American Airlines, Au Bon Pain, BP, Chevron, Coca-Cola, Dow Chemical, Ford, General Mills, PG&E, Princess Tours, Pfizer, Toyota, Union Pacific, US Bank, Walt Disney World, Wells Fargo and Verizon Wireless.
Government agencies are even more abundant. They include Amtrak, NASA, the Army, Navy and Air Force, Sacramento County and San Quentin State Prison. The agency also works for hundreds of private individuals whose names were redacted for privacy reasons.
"This list reads like the who's who of potential customers," said Wolf, the nonlethal pigeon control executive. "They are taking the cream of the crop, the biggest and best customers. We don't have a chance."
Entrepreneurs say they face barriers competing with the agency – none larger than its hefty public funding: $89 million for 2011, an average of $243,000 per day.
"The deck is stacked against the private guys because Wildlife Services is operating as a subsidized source," said Dixon Herman, vice president of the National Wildlife Control Operators Association. "They are not responsible for any profit margin."
The agency describes its urban and nuisance wildlife services on its Web page. These include shooting and dispersing waterfowl around airports and on golf courses, trapping beavers, skunks and raccoons in suburbs and killing pigeons and other birds in towns and cities.
"Geese, deer and feral pigs can destroy golf course greens, fruiting plants (and) lawns," the agency says. "The excrement and noise from a roost of vultures or crows can be so severe that backyard swing sets, grills (and) lawn furniture become useless."
That's work private operators say they can do, too.
"If we're talking dengue fever, avian flu, massive crop damage or depredation problems, those things on a big scale, they certainly have a right and a need to be involved," said Clark, the Critter Control CEO. "But they have no business trapping a squirrel or doing a small bird job in cities where they are competing directly with small-business people who are struggling in this economy."
Often, competing for agency work is not possible because many of its clients don't ask for bids.
"In pretty much every case, they are getting work from public entities through sole source contracts," said Harrington. "So operators don't even have an idea that they've lost a contract, because it's never put out for bid."
One of those no-bid contracts is with the County of Sacramento. It pays Wildlife Services $113,300 a year to control raccoons, pigeons, skunks, coyotes, wild turkeys and other animals.
"Why are they not hiring local businesses that could easily do that work?" Harrington said. "That's just nuts."
County Agricultural Commissioner Juli Jensen defended the no-bid contract, saying the county has been working with the agency since the 1920s.
"We feel that private contractors do not have the experience and expertise needed to properly handle our more rural wildlife issues such as coyotes. Many private companies do not handle all wildlife – most do urban trapping," she said in a statement.
She also said Wildlife Services chips in an additional $69,000 to support the work of two agency trappers in the county, something no private company can offer.
"I don't believe any of them are willing to pay for 40 percent of the program," Jensen said. "I believe our taxpayers are getting the best value going this route."
But Carter Niemeyer, a retired Wildlife Services trapper and district supervisor, said such arrangements have hidden costs that hurt taxpayers.
"Behind the trappers, you've got district supervisors. Behind district supervisors, you've got state directors. You have trucks, retirement programs – a whole government infrastructure. Private guys don't have to maintain a government infrastructure," Niemeyer said.
Wildlife Services' Bannerman defended its sole-source work, pointing out in an email that an agency directive forbids it from bidding. "When agencies conduct an open bid process, WS may not participate," she said.
The federal brand
Earlier this year, one agency sales pitch turned up in an email to a New York golf course seeking a federal migratory bird permit to trap and relocate Canada geese.
"In case you do not yet have a wildlife management firm, I have attached the price sheet of Wildlife Services costs," the email reads. "If you do desire Wildlife Services, you would no longer need to obtain a permit as the work would be conducted under our permit."
Instead, the work went to Cody Baciuska, founder of Loomacres Wildlife Management, who said the agency should not be part of the permitting process.
"Wildlife Services' role is a clear conflict of interest and gives WS an unfair advantage," he said in an email.
But Bannerman disagreed. "The letter is a first attempt by WS to gather additional information to complete the required forms," she said.
"Every time we market our services to clients, it seems like they are in the background undermining our efforts," Baciuska said. "It's a continual fight to get work."
To land the job, Baciuska had to drop his bid to compete with the Wildlife Services price of $6 per goose, plus mileage. Others have been less fortunate.
"Everything was all set," said Dave Cheaney, vice president of National Bird Control in Seattle, who was looking forward to a job protecting salmon fry from seagulls at a federal dam on the Columbia River two years ago.
"It was a $200,000 to $300,000 contract," Cheaney said. "At the last moment, we were told USDA (Wildlife Services) was taking charge. Come to find out, they did it for $40,000 or something."
"That started my blood to boil," said Cheaney, whose clients include Lowe's and Costco. "They are taking money right out of my pocket."
Bannerman explained the agency's low prices: "WS is a not-for-profit, service organization. It does not collect funds above the total cost of providing the service."
The agency's client revenue has climbed 80 percent over the past decade, from $39.4 million in 2001 to $71.7 million in 2011. Other figures are on the upswing, too.
Since 2000, the number of Canada geese killed by Wildlife Services has more than tripled from 7,500 to 23,700 last year. Over the same period, its lethal control of seagulls has risen 55 percent, raccoons 58 percent, pigeons 62 percent and mallards more than 200 percent.
One deadly encounter played out early this year at Clear Lake in Northern California where 70 to 80 semi-domestic geese were shot and killed in nighttime Wildlife Services hunting operations.
"I don't agree with how it was handled. It was not humane at all," said Lake County Supervisor Anthony Farrington. "They went straight to the lethal approach without exploring other options. To me, that was unnecessary and a disservice to the public."
Alternatives
Wolf believes there is a better way: birth control.
A decade ago, he began working with a product that prevents the eggs of geese and pigeons from hatching. "It's just remarkable," he said. "The effect is like night and day."
He also turned to Wildlife Services' state-of-the-art National Wildlife Research Center in Colorado. The results were so impressive the agency co-developed the product, called OvoControl, with him and promotes its use for geese and pigeons in brochures and on its website.
"It serves little purpose to just continue to shoot them," said Wolf. "Whatever is left just backfills the population so quickly you never get ahead of the curve.
"It takes about a year to lose 50 percent of the population. It's a very safe, humane, efficient way of managing a pigeon population," he added. "This product is not a toxicant. Nothing ever dies. Nothing is ever in jeopardy."
In recent years, Wolf has sold the product to Hill Air Force Base in Utah, Shell Oil in Martinez and other major clients – but not Wildlife Services.
"They won't even try it," Wolf said. "They take credit for it but don't want to use it. It doesn't add up."
Bannerman disagreed. "The product is an available option," she said. "Typically, the time needed to conduct OvoControl baiting and treatment make it more appropriate for the property owner to apply rather than for federal personnel."
Wolf is skeptical.
"If they can trap, shoot and poison, what would prevent them from using a contraceptive? That's just silliness. It doesn't make any sense," he said.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/18/4994110/federal-wildlife-services-makes.html#storylink=cpy
 
 
Reform urged for Wildlife Services

By Tom Knudson
tknudson@sacbee.com
By Tom Knudson
Last modified: 2012-11-18T08:03:33Z
Published: Sunday, Nov. 18, 2012 - 12:00 am
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/18/4994107/reform-urged-for-wildlife-services.html
 
It's not everyday that trappers and animal lovers share the same view about federal wildlife management.
But it's happening now with both sides calling for reform of a government agency called Wildlife Services. "It's time to sit down, roll up the sleeves and take a look at how it can be reformed," said Gene Harrington, director of government affairs for the National Pest Management Association.
"They are chasing a lot of pigeons in a lot of city halls across the country and I just don't think that's a priority for the federal government," Harrington said.
"There is a good function the federal government can serve in mitigating human-wildlife conflicts but this program is so heavily weighted toward lethal approaches it just needs to be overhauled," said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of The Humane Society of the United States, the nation's largest animal protection organization.
Their voices join those of Congressmen John Campbell, R-Irvine, and Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., who earlier this year asked Darrell Issa, R-Vista, chairman of the House Oversight Committee to investigate the agency following a three-part Bee investigative series.
But Issa was busy with other investigations. "We're going to keep pushing," said DeFazio. "We're talking an ineffective, indiscriminate, expensive, taxpayer-subsidized program. Who wants to stand up and say they're for that?"
Carter Niemeyer, a retired Wildlife Services trapper and district supervisor, said an oversight hearing is overdue.
"The momentum is here," said Niemeyer, author of "Wolfer," a book critical of the agency. "There is a lot of room for reform. Do we want to keep up this sustained killing of wildlife or are we willing to pay more and look at other methodologies?"
Private animal control specialists also say the agency kills too much wildlife. "They use lethal means any time they can," said Dave Cheaney, vice president of National Bird Control in Seattle. "It's quick, it's easy and they don't have do answer to anybody."
But their biggest complaint is losing work to the agency. "It's taking a lot of money out of a lot of peoples' pockets and it's hurting the industry," said Cheaney.
"Quite a bit of what they do is not an inherently governmental service. It's very easily provided by the private sector," said Dixon Herman, vice president of the National Wildlife Control Operators Association.
"We don't believe there is going to be any change until something changes at the administrative level from Congressional action," Herman added. "We don't believe that they are going to do it internally."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/18/4994107/reform-urged-for-wildlife-services.html#storylink=cpy
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/20/12 10:39 PM

http://gimby.org/blogs/gimby-news-focus/...-stealing-their
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/20/12 10:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtt7nHznEa4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Posted By: Critterman

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/20/12 11:28 PM

I live and work in WNY and have lost several different goose round up jobs to the USDA... (6 I can think of) I dont even bother now ..I give my customer advice
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/21/12 11:24 PM

Good article but: killing 170,000 geese and 950,000 pigeons is not impressive to me or anyone else who knows about wildlife. Pigeons are non-native germ carriers that if completely annihilated, would be a good thing. Geese, thanks to DNRs in almost every state, seem to be trying to seek pigeon status. A very sad case of a once regal bird now reduced to spreading its filth far and wide. I see ten times as many geese killed on the road than I used to shoot in a season.


In the next article I hope they use some animal or bird that the people get upset about because the government is going to keep overstepping its authority without a public outcry.
Posted By: newton1

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/21/12 11:40 PM

I believe it is fair to say that WS is and will be in direct competition for work that we are capable of doing as NWCO's. Some of these jobs NWCO's might not want to do for one reason or the other, but once WS gets their foot in the door people will see them as the authorities and professionals that are qualified to do these jobs and NWCO's will be left doing residential low paying jobs. I have lost two goose jobs and a beaver job to WS in which a municipality choose them because they were Govt. based and felt more comfortable with them. WS does sound like they are highly qualified and would be a safer bet than hiring some private sector guy who may or may not be able to handle the job. This is not free market competition when you are competing against the government.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/28/12 11:43 AM

http://m.nbc12.com/autojuice?targetUrl=h...-birds-the-boot
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/18/12 09:45 PM

Anotherone lost to USDA Wildlife Services

http://www.cityofrochester.gov/article.aspx?id=8589955515
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/04/13 10:36 AM

REEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT LAWSUIT SETTLEMENT REACHED
Terms Will Affect Public Records Requests Nationwide

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: January 2, 2013

WEST YELLOWSTONE, MONTANA: Buffalo Field Campaign and the United States Department of Agriculture, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service ("APHIS") reached a settlement today obligating the agency to undertake sweeping changes in how it processes and responds to Freedom of Information Act requests from citizens nationwide.

The settlement, filed in Montana federal district court, resolves a complaint by Buffalo Field Campaign alleging that APHIS had improperly withheld government documents and had engaged in a "pattern or practice" of failing to timely respond to public information requests. The complaint further alleged that APHIS had repeatedly delayed public disclosure of the documents sought by Buffalo Field Campaign by giving itself extensions of time not permitted by the Freedom of Information Act.

Requests made pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act require federal agencies to respond within twenty business days; in some instances, Buffalo Field Campaign says APHIS had given itself months of improper extensions.

"The Freedom of Information Act is a powerful tool for the public to shed light on what the government is up to," says Daniel Brister, executive director of Buffalo Field Campaign. "We will be watchdogging this settlement to ensure that APHIS complies with the public's Freedom of Information Act requests."

The nonprofit bison advocacy group had submitted many public information requests to shed light on APHIS's bison population control experiments, births and deaths and welfare of bison in quarantine and associated costs, funding agreements with the Montana Dept. of Livestock, and investigative reports tracing sources of brucellosis infection in Montana cattle.

All of the documents received from APHIS have been posted online at the group's web site:
http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/legal/aphisfoia.html

As a result of the lawsuit, APHIS will augment its Freedom of Information Act training program so the "unusual circumstances" provision of the FOIA, which allows agencies additional response time under certain specific circumstances, is properly used and followed by APHIS in responding to public information requests.

APHIS has also agreed to implement new procedures including a phone number or Internet link for the public to use to check on the status of their public information requests.

"Prompt public access to government records is a necessary ingredient for a healthy, transparent democracy," says Daniel Snyder, an attorney with the Law Offices of Charles M. Tebbutt, P.C. who represented Buffalo Field Campaign in its lawsuit. "Timely access is even more critical here, where the records sought by Buffalo Field Campaign illuminate the federal government's deplorable treatment of Yellowstone's threatened wild buffalo population. The new procedures APHIS must implement nationwide as a result of this lawsuit should result in the punctual disclosure of records requested by the public."

Attorney John Meyer from the Cottonwood Environmental Law Center in Bozeman, Montana, also represented Buffalo Field Campaign as local counsel.

APHIS will also pay Buffalo Field Campaign's attorneys' fees and costs to settle the Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/05/13 12:58 AM

This case was against USDA APHIS Veterinary Services.

"The nonprofit bison advocacy group had submitted many public information requests to shed light on APHIS's bison population control experiments, births and deaths and welfare of bison in quarantine and associated costs, funding agreements with the Montana Dept. of Livestock, and investigative reports tracing sources of brucellosis infection in Montana cattle."

Nothing to do with USDA WS unless your just stating this sets a precedence of some sort?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/05/13 03:11 PM

Yes just the presedence. For USDA which is the parent "company" of WS
I do not know anything about the reason they did the FOIA.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/11/13 05:57 PM


http://leesburg.patch.com/articles/leesburg-council-member-opposes-vulture-tactics
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/04/13 12:16 PM

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/regulations/ws/ws_nepa_public_notice_FL.shtml

Expanding in FL
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/13/13 11:53 AM

We just stumbled across this one. A new way the USDA is trying to circumvent the FAA requirements.

We all know that USDA WS “can’t” bid on FAA funded WHA’s. (The average advertised WHA project gets over 20 bids from the private sector.) Well in this case they didn’t, at least not directly. The Georgia DOT bid on the project and were awarded the contract. Then the DOT subcontracted USDA to do the work. Below is some supporting information;

This is a resolution from the airport board that documents that the DOT was awarded the contract.
• a request from the Valdosta-Lowndes County Airport Authority to approve a resolution authorizing the execution of a contract with the Georgia Department of Transportation to conduct a Wildlife Hazard Assessment Study at the Valdosta Regional Airport, unanimously.

This is a link to the USDA document that proves they are doing the WHA at the airport.
http://valdostadailytimes.com/local/x993486272/Moody-cries-fowl


The down side to this is that I’m not sure if this is a violation. In my mind it is but I need to look into it further.

The upside is that because a state agency is involved, anyone located in Georgia can now contact their State reps and ask them to investigate the issue.

How many private companies do work and pay taxes in the State of GA, only to have the State Stab them in the back. I am interested to hear your feedback.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/13/13 01:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Wildlife2
We just stumbled across this one. A new way the USDA is trying to circumvent the FAA requirements.


Thanks Cody more proof USDA is doing its part to undermine our industry and playing their part in destroying our nations economy. More jobs lost to a government with one mission in mind to destroy the very fabric that made this nation great -Private Jobs.
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/13/13 02:12 PM

Nothing new. I've known for the longest that the Georgia DOT is a closed shop when comes to wildlife the same as it is with Georgia Power (Energen Corp) and Norfolk Southern.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/23/13 04:18 PM

URGENT!
The NYSDEC is about to sign a contract with USDA Wildlife Services. The contract is for state wide feral hog control.
Please call the NYSDEC and ask why you did not have an opportunity to bid on the contract, and ask for the opportunity to do so.

Here is the person to call;
NYSDEC
Commissioner
Joe Martens
518-402-8545
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/24/13 08:05 PM

30 k for hog control...
Why is USDA shooting hogs when they say shooting Dosnt work?

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfn...es_hog_hun.html
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/24/13 08:26 PM

wildlife2 - random hunting by the public in unorganized groups versus controlled hunting are two different things as you know.
I've spent a decade preaching about feral hog eradication methods and techniques both as a govt. guy and still as a private consultant
and contractor. Tuesday I'm giving a talk on feral hogs to BLM and other agencies in Roswell, NM.

I still speak the same way as I did before, whether it is a group of ranchers, hunters, or the govt. it must be a controlled scenario, otherwise
you are driving hogs away from your trap sites, moving them onto non hunted land or preserves where hunting might not be allowed or
available as a tool.

I know your whole deal is to see to it that a nwco can get into this scenario and there are some that of course could do that. I guess my
question to anyone reading is are there folks in this part of NY who are nwcos and want this contract but are not getting a chance to bid?

Often these stories are wonderful to read about as a piece of "news" but they don't tell me that there are nwco's sitting at home being displaced
by these folks.

I honestly do my best to avoid these discussions, but some of these projects feral hog being one of them, many folks are not setup for, and what
the county may be able to afford is not going to allow for nearly what a nwco could afford.

I will state this and leave it alone, I am a feral hog specialist, I know how to work feral hogs from the politics to having hogs on the ground through
a massive variety of removal methods, to disease sampling, submission and reporting.

However, to go to the field and offer feral hog control that would be meaningful, I'd be using more than 1/2 of that $30K just to gear up, then add
in labor and mileage and such and in the end this contract isn't near as valuable as sticking to bats, birds and other wildlife readily available.

I have literally had these opportunities since I opened my shop, your average operator isn't going to jump into this realm and be successful without a lot of build up over a multitude of years.

And I am not talking about the one outfit we all know of who offers hog control in the SE. I'm talking your average operator who offers wildlife control to the public.

Just my thoughts, folks can refute all they want, I've passed up contracts several times because there literally was no upside for my business other than exposure.

Additionally, if you take that $30K and don't deliver any better than the govt. would have, the damage to a private biz. is far far worse than what it is to the govt.

Justin
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/24/13 09:33 PM

Justin, while I agree wholeheartedly and I think we are both on the same sheet of music when it comes to hog eradication. this issue still remains that these types of jobs are not being let out to bid from the private sector. It's not even an open and fair process when the private sector isn't given the opportunity to grow into that type of specialty.
You make absolute sense (dollar and cents) that the fees for that job would be spent just aquiring the equipment but it is the type of job I want to build off of. Unfortunately at present I'd have to foot the entire bill on the hope that I might someday be allowed to bid on this type of work.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/24/13 10:07 PM

We have not been told the cost of the ny project. But it will be well over 100k
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/24/13 11:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Wildlife2
We have not been told the cost of the ny project. But it will be well over 100k


How big of an area Cody? One county or the entire current known range of feral hog in NY?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 12:03 AM

The entire state but they are only in about 4 counties. Very low numbers.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 12:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Wildlife2
The entire state but they are only in about 4 counties. Very low numbers.


As you likely know however low numbers actually requires more funding and more effort and time spent because
you can't just bump into a hog behind every bush the way you can in some parts of the country.

If there are low numbers you spend more time finding prime locations to setup equipment or establish bait sites.

So $100K to eradicate would be a low number both as a private guy and as an ex fed. Let alone with the resources
in NY state for hogs to feed on between agriculture and naturally provided (oak and other mast crop).

This aspect reinforces my issue, 4 counties = $25K per county and I would assume a 1 year contract based on fiscal
year, so you have 12 months (minus the months with massive deer hunting and other pressures from the public and
minus heavy winter conditions which may limit access and success), leaves you with about 8 months max of good
conditions, or 2 months per county.

Is the contract to eradicate or just stated as general removal?

If it is eradication, ouch, plus you have to have some method of proving you have been successful, which has only
been documented on channel islands off California where they had high fences, dog teams, trapping, helicopters,
judas pigs and camera systems.

Extremely difficult to quantify success, leaving the end result in question either for a private guy, or for the feds.

Just sayin, this doesn't sound like "easy money" or a contract that every guy wants, though I definitely understand
that some folks want in and I'm included in that bunch, but I want the right shot and the more I hear, the less this
one in NY seems like a positive one to step in...

Sounds more like a cow pie!
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 01:47 AM

I can't comment on details as we have very few. I will put more on when I get them.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 12:35 PM

Is USDA going to get a spending cut?
Posted By: SWTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 12:49 PM

USDA will for sure get cut, we are not sure how much yet. Feral hogs are a huge problem and it takes money and dedication to control them. It can not be done by the private sector hunting them, it takes dedicated, professional control specialists. We started a program in my county and have removed just under 200 in 6 months.
Posted By: Getting There

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 01:33 PM

Does NM have a no limit no season on Wild Pigs. Also is there a bounty on them?
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 04:21 PM

Everett - No limit on feral hogs, there was a law passed a few years ago when I was still a govt. guy that basically declared
them in the category of predatory animals like coyote. So no limit, the only laws pertain to no commercial hunting sales on
them to discourage enterprise from bringing more, no relocation, translocation, importation, etc....

Of course enforcement is a real tough deal with the law being enforced only by livestock inspectors (which are law enforcement
officers in this state and have been longer than any other).

Bounty systems that have been tried for feral hogs in other states, most recently fort benning georgia, resulted in a massive outlay
and people skirted the issue and it resulted in very few actual feral hogs taken. The gist was that people went into nearby columbus
georgia and bought pig tails from the butcher shop (the proof required in this case), they brought them back to benning and got
paid!

They found this out when very few tagged or collared animals that were tagged and collared on purpose were sampled out of the
population.

While bounties have worked in some cases in some regions for some animals, most often human nature creeps in, which in the
case of NM would mean driving over the TX to a hog rich area and collecting ears, tails, etc...required for proof and coming back over.

This is the same reason most of the western states dropped bounties on coyote, it was too easy to get around it and people want more
money once it gets started which means the incentive to truly remove the hogs is actually low.

Cody, spending cut wise, do you mean did they get a budget cut this year from farm bill or other normal funding? I haven't heard other
than things were very stripped down and lean months ago. I would assume you folks would have better info on that subject with the
political actions and such. Not sure myself.

Everett, I should also add that while we have a pretty large tract of National Forest Land with feral hogs down the south central portion
of the state, much of the rest of the hog population exists on private land tracts and therefore is tough to find access for most hunters.
I get calls and emails every week looking for a list of these folks to call, I send nearly all of them to hunt on public land tracts as their
best option. Our country with hogs ranges from high mountain areas with oaks and pines and springs, to cactus, mesquite country with
sparse grassland and mixed ag fields and mesas. Land ownership can be anywhere from 1,000-50,000 or 100,000 acres for one outfit.
And nearly always lock and key gates.

Justin
Posted By: Getting There

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 05:15 PM

It is amazaing what man can do to screw up thing. NO ear,tails etc. hole pigs
but that is a lot of pigs. If each state would have the same bounty maybe the people would work at home. I have heard they can become a real problem.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 05:24 PM

You have to admire the innovative American people's behavior toward a regulation.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 08:46 PM

http://www.ruidosonews.com/ruidoso-breaking_news/ci_22526252/usda-funds-feral-hog-controls
Posted By: andyva

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 09:47 PM

Is the sequester going to affect wildlife services, or just fire and rescue, cancer screening, teachers and other can't- live-without government services? I have heard the list of cuts but usually can't make it that far without screaming at the radio.
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 10:22 PM

andyva, I hope the sequester goes through, if for no other reason than to prove that nothing will be changed. ( I think that sometimes those of us who are conservative, tend to give everyone with a GOP by their name, a pass.)
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/25/13 10:52 PM

Originally Posted By: andyva
Is the sequester going to affect wildlife services, or just fire and rescue, cancer screening, teachers and other can't- live-without government services? I have heard the list of cuts but usually can't make it that far without screaming at the radio.


Andy, I had a meeting with another fed agency today about another wildlife issue, he was mentioning they are on the block, I'm sure
they are all if one is, they are all, simple as that, how much from each is another story, but usually whether you call it sequestration or
anything else, these don't end up happening, guess we'll see.....

Justin
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/26/13 02:12 PM

I need your help. USDA Wildlife Services is a federal agency that competes against my company. Because they are supported by your tax dollars they can undercut us. They are also exempt from many of the regulations I must follow. Please help by going to this site. Fill in your information and it will send your congressman a letter.

https://www.votervoice.net/NPMA/Campaigns/30900/Respond
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/01/13 07:07 PM

http://larchmont.patch.com/articles/mamaroneck-geese-on-death-row

USDA WS ges inter agency agreement to do goose work.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/03/13 02:50 AM

USDA doing pigeon control ect.

http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/192049551.html?mobile=true
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/06/13 06:53 PM

Taxes going up to help support Wildlufe Services.

http://www.capitalpress.com/content/SE-brand-fee-030813
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/06/13 07:12 PM

USDA Wildlife Services faces spending cuts.... Don't worry there are thousands if lisenced NWCOs to fill in the gaps!
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/...the-158502.html
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/06/13 11:15 PM

Please take a look at this.
We need you help.
https://www.votervoice.net/mobile/NPMA/Campaigns/30900/Respond
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/09/13 11:28 AM

$71 million of WS’ $110.5 million FY 2011 budget was derived from contracts with federal, state and local governments, associations, businesses, and individual property owners.

How much do you bring in a year?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/12/13 05:19 PM

USDA WIldlife Services on FOX News.

Are they giving all of us a bad name?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/ani...ildlife-agency/
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/12/13 05:48 PM

I would say not unless you are doing the same thing they are Cody? The folks in this article including the guy from 2009 have been rolling
around the AR circuit since then working on helping take out WS. The most recent guy from WY should have been fired just because of the
misuse of photo/video while on the job (though he argues he wasn't on the job).

Now if we get down to the heart of this issue. There are folks on this forum and on other forums within this forum and others that use live
animals to train dogs, including coyote decoy dogs and trapline dogs. I think you are opening up an area you'd not like to be discussing as
most of those folks are highly determined to keep their right to do so no matter what the public thinks.

Now does the photo and video cause an uproar? Yes it does, but every private guy out there these days seems to be putting up hunting, trapping
and other videos and photos without ever worrying, as we often discuss and debate here and on other professional forums. Right or wrong
it happens daily, hourly, by the minute because we are in an era where everything has a video and photo in it, phones, cams, etc....

I do understand your plight is to say WS bad, private NWCO good, just sayin in this case, what is being put out there is done by many private folks
whether they are the type to post the photo or video.......?

Personally hate seeing this stuff no matter who puts it up, but surprised to see this particular one, as it is put out by the AR movement and usually that is a no go for Paul's forums.

Justin
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/12/13 08:05 PM

My point is why are they letting this stuff out. AR people can make any control acitvity look bad.
WS high profile is making all control work look bad, when it is not.

As far a AR group, I didnt think FoX News was considered one....?
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/12/13 08:12 PM

You are right that this shouldn't have been let out, that is why this employee should have been quickly fired, but as you know being
a former fed yourself, the govt. can't simply fire someone in short order any more than so many corporations find themselves having
to decide how to do it right and legal.

I'm not saying Fox news is an AR group, lets be clear, the article is written as AR fodder and it wholeheartedly supports the AR agenda
thus putting it up is adding one more link for AR folks to find and read, so I consider it propaganda for them as I would assume most
others would as well.

My point again, is that there are a ton of folks making this stuff front page on their facebook, youtube and forums every day, they may
not have a govt. uniform but the AR folks ultimately will take from anywhere.

Here in my state, there is a massive push to get rid of calling contests and trapping on public land, and so on. Do you think they care
where the media pics and videos come from?

No they don't as long as it furthers their message. In the last week I've been sent by local advocates for wildlife probably 5 different
cases of dogs dying in sets in the states. These are all front page news and have nothing to do with the govt.

AR movement is the only one benefitting from this particular article, I don't think it fits with the rest of your posts about how much
funding is being lost and how much we need them gone to have better nwco businesses. Those posts are on track with your pattern
and where you want to go, this one is not.

Sorry.
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/12/13 11:27 PM

Justin, Animal Rights is a really funny thing. The Animal Rights people that make the big bucks, are only interested in the big bucks. ( I really feel that these people should be horsewhipped ) The people that are truly sincere about Animal Rights and support this ideology are people that usually have either had a hard time associating with other people or have been taken advantage of by other people.

Most every one of us that has been in business for a while has met at least one of these supporters. This is where an intelligent conversation ( without criticism ) and not overcharging ( just because you don't agree ) can have a lasting effect.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/14/13 02:29 AM

Hundreds of family pets, protected species killed by little known federal agency

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/13/hun.../#ixzz2NTeiF7fo
Posted By: Big Bird

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/14/13 10:08 PM

Finally....
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/17/13 09:28 PM

http://www.aikenstandard.com/article/201...ndling-vultures
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/17/13 11:07 PM




New Ellenton Mayor Vernon Dunbar said senior residents are particularly bothered by the menacing-looking birds.

Hey Paul, I caught it for you. Do vultures bother you yet?
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/17/13 11:48 PM

http://www.laconiadailysun.com/index.php/opinion/letters/66528-eric-rottenecker-3-13
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/18/13 12:30 PM

http://www.tryondailybulletin.com/2013/03/11/polk-hears-alternative-to-trapping-furbearers/
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/21/13 12:52 AM

How much money is USDA wildlife service getting to compete against you?
Find out here....
http://www.openthebooks.com/
Posted By: Jaxjaguarss

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/05/13 07:54 PM

Budget Cuts:

On March 2, the White House Office of Management and Budget released a report detailing how much will be cut from each agency.
•U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service: $127 million ◦$64 million from Resource Management
◦$5 million from Construction
◦$1 million from Multinational Species Conservation Fund
◦$21 million from Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration
◦$1 million from National Wildlife Refuge Fund
◦$2 million from Migratory Bird Conservation Account
◦$2 million from Cooperative Endangered Species Conservation
◦$2 million from North American Wetlands Conservation Fund
◦$3 million from State Wildlife Grants
◦$23 million from Sport Fish Restoration
Posted By: Getting There

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/05/13 10:11 PM

No lets not cut any money from foreign add that we have been pouring billions into for years. Send more fighter jets to Syria at around 26 million each.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/09/13 08:44 PM

Scott Steckel on the Importance of the PESTT Act

http://www.pctonline.com/Steckel-PESTT-Act-video-interview.aspx
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/12/13 07:18 PM

some good news

http://www.capitalpress.com/content/SE-wolf-funding-041913
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/12/13 08:54 PM

Perhaps those of you from Idaho should E-mail the man and let him know you're available. I'm sure there are an army of ranchers telling him how much they disapprove.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/27/13 05:30 PM

Goose work in ny

http://mamaroneck.dailyvoice.com/news/got-geese-usda-egg-oiling-prevent-hatching-mamaroneck
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/08/13 05:34 PM

http://www.htrnews.com/article/20130507/...?nclick_check=1

Gull work
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/16/13 01:34 PM

Late yesterday, the House Agriculture Committee approved its version of the Farm Bill. During the markup of the legislation the Committee addressed the issue of USDA's Wildlife Services competing with the private sector for urban rodent control.

Specifically, Congressman Kurt Schrader of Oregon filed an amendment to the Farm Bill similar to the language of the Pest Elimination Services Transparency & Terminology or PESTT Act - legislation aimed at limiting USDA competition with the private sector for rodent, nuisance birds and wildlife in urban and suburban areas - areas in which private sector options are plentiful. The PESTT Act and Congressman Schrader's amendment served as an impetus for Wildlife Services' officials to meet with NPMA staff to negotiate the defining of the term "urban rodent control" - a type of work the Agency's authorizing statute does not permit it to perform.

During yesterday's Committee markup of the Farm Bill Congressman Schrader offered and withdrew his amendment and Congressman Schrader and House Agriculture Committee Chairman Frank Lucas of Oklahoma announced to the Committee that NPMA and Wildlife Services had reached agreement on the definition of the term "urban rodent control." Attached is a letter submitted to the record outlining the agreement and pasted below is the definition NPMA negotiated with Wildlife Services.

NPMA will continue working with Congressman Schrader and Austin Scott and Wildlife Services to codify and implement the definition.

For the purposes of activities authorized under the Act of December 22, 1987
(7 U.S.C. 426c), the term "urban rodent control" shall mean actions to
directly control mice, rats, voles, squirrels, chipmunks, gophers, woodchucks,
and groundhogs in a city or town with a population greater than 50,000
inhabitants and the urbanized area contiguous and adjacent to such a city or
town, except actions involving: (1) federal agencies; (2) government entities
engaged in a cooperative service agreement with APHIS to provide direct
control of rodents as of October 1, 2013; (3) a state in which direct control of
the rodent species has been expressly authorized by state law, rulemaking, or
a local jurisdiction's ordinance promulgated by public notice and an
opportunity for public comment or as otherwise promulgated as required and
authorized by the respective state or local law; and (4) railways and airport
air sides areas. APHIS will refer all requests for operational assistance with
"urban rodent control" from private entities such as home and business
owners and associations to the private sector.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/16/13 02:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Wildlife2


NPMA will continue working with Congressman Schrader and Austin Scott and Wildlife Services to codify and implement the definition.

For the purposes of activities authorized under the Act of December 22, 1987
(7 U.S.C. 426c), the term "urban rodent control" shall mean actions to
directly control mice, rats, voles, squirrels, chipmunks, gophers, woodchucks,
and groundhogs in a city or town with a population greater than 50,000
inhabitants and the urbanized area contiguous and adjacent to such a city or
town, except actions involving: (1) federal agencies; (2) government entities
engaged in a cooperative service agreement with APHIS to provide direct
control of rodents as of October 1, 2013; (3) a state in which direct control of
the rodent species has been expressly authorized by state law, rulemaking, or
a local jurisdiction's ordinance promulgated by public notice and an
opportunity for public comment or as otherwise promulgated as required and
authorized by the respective state or local law; and (4) railways and airport
air sides areas. APHIS will refer all requests for operational assistance with
"urban rodent control" from private entities such as home and business
owners and associations to the private sector.


What is missing here that is either a rodent or mistaken as rodent?

Beaver, Porcupine and if they are gonna use the word gopher they must also use the mole species too. A gopher can mean many species in different parts of the country from a ground squirrel, to a chipmunk and what we call Sandy Mounders here gopher - the pocket gophers. The law remaims too vague with out the scientific names and open to abuse by USDA WS.

I wonder if Beaver was an oversight or a over the table agreement that will hurt thousands of private beaver trappers across the US.

That 50,000 population guideline is gonna put a big hurt on most WCO's . If you think about it this laws creates the ability for USDA WS to expand and not decrease their predatory activities.

This is not good news.


Just my thoughts?
Posted By: Trapper Don

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/17/13 02:08 AM

Beaver was NOT and oversite. I was told today that Beaver, Muskrat and Nutria make tens of millions for Wildlife Services so they would not agree to this. I would prefer that this MOU not be signed at all. It would be better to fight and loose then to give them anything that amounts to pass. I am not surprised by this. I also think this will hurt any relations between associations and non-members of either major association. What is needed is a state by state voter approved removal of WS ability to take our work.
Until all trappers, sportsmen, pest controllers and WCO's get thier act together that will never happen.
Don LaFountain
PS my information came streight from Gean Harrington of NPMA this morning.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/17/13 02:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Trapper Don
Beaver was NOT and oversite. I was told today that Beaver, Muskrat and Nutria make tens of millions for Wildlife Services so they would not agree to this. I would prefer that this MOU not be signed at all. It would be better to fight and loose then to give them anything that amounts to pass. I am not surprised by this. I also think this will hurt any relations between associations and non-members of either major association. What is needed is a state by state voter approved removal of WS ability to take our work.
Until all trappers, sportsmen, pest controllers and WCO's get thier act together that will never happen.
Don LaFountain
PS my information came streight from Gean Harrington of NPMA this morning.


I agree I give NPMA & NWCOA a big F.

The MOU is worthless and will further hurt this industry. Sorry Cody I had all day to think this over and it is a huge step in the wrong direction as written and an opportunity for USDA WS to further expand
Posted By: ProLine

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/17/13 03:00 AM

Don,

I agree with you 100%. This not good news it actually expands WS atuhoRITY. Pure BS, NWCOA and NPMA sold the WCO out as far as I am concerned. WS was limited prior to this an dnow if passed they would have open season on all work in any city of less than 50,000 and lots of loop hole to expand further.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/18/13 03:54 AM

We will agree to disagree on this one but there is no way this expands thier ability. I strongly feel it Dosnt go far enough but they will loose a tremendous amount of revenue and have to move resources and will be less likely to be able to undercut us.

By no means should we not continue or efforts to get more.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/18/13 03:56 AM

Lets pick the state to start in.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/21/13 11:59 PM

Although far from ideal the PESTT agreement is a step forward.
To be clear the PESTT agreement is NOT the PESTT act.
The PESTT agreement is not changing the law and is not giving USDA more authority. It is putting some restrictions ( not enought in my opinion) on USDA.

It is in no way allowing USDA to do more than they are already doing now.
Please read the AGREEMENT carefully.

USDA will loose millions in revenue from this agreement ( not as much as if the PESTT ACt was put into law) but they will be forced to divert money from other programs and will be less likely to undercut us

I applaud the work of NPMA. They have done a tramendous job giving wco's a voice in Washington. They even listen to non mbers concerns!
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/22/13 03:03 AM

There are the two laws from which Wildlife Services authority derives. The first law was initially enacted in 1931 and second was passed in 1987.

Here is the law.

On and after December 22, 1987, the Secretary of Agriculture is
authorized, except for urban rodent control, to conduct activities
and to enter into agreements with States, local jurisdictions,
individuals, and public and private agencies, organizations, and
institutions in the control of nuisance mammals and birds and those
mammal and bird species that are reservoirs for zoonotic diseases,
and to deposit any money collected under any such agreement into
the appropriation accounts that incur the costs to be available
immediately and to remain available until expended for Animal
Damage Control activities
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/22/13 03:10 AM

The only work USDA is not allowed to do is urban rodent work. Unfortunately urban rodent was not defined in the 1987 law. This agreement attempts to define it. In addition to shining a light in all the areas they compete against us.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/22/13 04:18 AM

USDA advertising for hog work in NH

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130505/GJNEWS_01/130509521
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/22/13 04:21 AM

USDA doing goose work on LI NY

http://www.longisland.com/news/05-13-13/north-hempstead-approves-plan-to-euthanize-canada-geese.html
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 12:29 AM

a good way to learn your competition?

http://www3.ag.purdue.edu/entm/wildlifehotline/pdf/NWCOsurvey.pdf
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 12:41 AM

Cabelas is providing a advertising platform for USDA WS.
Contact them, tell them how much money you spend with them and demand that they take all reference to USDA WS off their site

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Living-With-Wildlife/532590.uts
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 12:56 AM

USDA Conducting Urban Rodent Control in Oakland CA

http://www.acvcsd.org/services/wildlife/usda-wildlife-info.htm
Posted By: 1st RiverRat

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 01:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Wildlife2


LOL what a joke

As I posted on your facebook page I spoke with with Cabela's the first guy was a little fairy but the supervisor sounded apologetic and was going to talk to corporate tomorrow.
Posted By: ProLine

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 02:57 AM

I am saying that we should have demanded enforcement of the 87 act and demanded that "Urban rodents Control" be enforced as "Urban Rodents", Beaver, Nutria, Porcupines, Muskrats, whatever. Urban is Urban a group of house to form a city not some BS "50,000" or more. We are the Feds and there is no one to help you if you do not live in a city of 50,000 or more, pure BS.
My problem with it is the wording was the wording , let the courts decide, why give in and allow this expanded USDA friendly definition to become codified.

The PESTT act was on its way and with this agreement the Congress thinks we are all just getting along.
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 03:03 AM

JMO but NWCOA erred in trying to sit down with a pack of thieves and liars and expect to get anything more than a reach around. I don't know how many $250 memberships they have sold, I hear it is alot less than there once was, but surely they raised enough to at least talk to a shyster, I mean doctor of jurisprudence, about a class action.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 02:27 PM

A few note worthy quotes from an article concerned money allocated to killing feral swine will be used for other reasons.

Quote:
I was a bit taken aback when I learned that President Obama had recommended that the federal government increase the budget of a once-obscure, but now controversial, federal program called “Wildlife Services.”

But there are a few things to be careful of:

First, Wildlife Services’ own assessment of the benefits of its control programs is often flawed. As NRDC laid out in our report Fuzzy Math, Wildlife Services’ cost-benefit analyses of its programs often fails to follow either federal or basic academic standards.

Second, Wildlife Services’ budget is notoriously murky. In fact, the agency often can’t even tell Congress exactly how it spends its money. In a 2011 letter to members of Congress, for example, the agency noted that because “we do not use a management accounting cost system” it could neither tell them how much money it spends on various management techniques nor break out the cost-categories (e.g., local governments, private business) to whom it was providing these services.

So, before anybody decides to give Wildlife Services more money to play with, we need to make sure it will actually be spent for its intended purpose



http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/awetzler/a_new_mission_for_wildlife_ser.html
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 04:08 PM

This is what they always do to support their program. They have been trying to control ferel pigs for decades. Now with just a little more fundibg they will magically solve the promlem. Right........
They have NEVER been successful at reducing the ferel hog population even on a small scale.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Wildlife2
They have NEVER been successful at reducing the ferel hog population even on a small scale.


Our own state population of feral swine has doubled since this agency starting taxing Florida for a service they are not even trying to solve.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 05:02 PM

Realize it isn't the sidebar anyone is looking for here, but I would avoid the feral hog discussion, more funding and coordination are the only things that will eliminate feral hog populations and anyone including the govt. doing so must have both to make something happen. States like FL and CA where policies confound the work being done including in CA selling GAME TAGS for hogs will make eradication impossible for anyone.

In NM a multi agency task force is having a very positive effect and changing the tide in feral hog population spread. Will this be the same everywhere? Nope,
but I would hesitate to throw stones in the direction of invasive species, they are better at it and it used to be my job to plan and coordinate it.

They (USDA) can't overthrow private landowners and others who harbor and spread hogs which is the real problem with feral animals of any kind, it is not possible to kill off a population of invasive species, or reduce disease issues, etc... without landowner support, because we do not live in a country where you can just usurp the private landowner for such things at this time. (Though this is done with invasive weeds in the western U.S.)

***********************

The rest of the discussion is interesting and entertaining and also telling of the separation within the "industry" being represented by various sides here.

I'm not jumping in on this discussion for any reason other than to say I would avoid the feral hog or invasive discussion. Until a bunch of private guys form an entity of size and scope to do statewide or regional feral hog programs with landowner and interagency support, this one is best left alone.

************************

Again, interesting discussion though on everything else!

smile
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 06:33 PM

USDA set to be investigated in 2013 according to the OIG report.
See appendix E (pg 16)

http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/2013APFinal.pdf

It is vital that everyone contact the OIG and tell them how USDA is effecting you company. All you need to do is send an email, also ask them the current status of the investigation.

Make sure you back your claims up with facts and not anger. Keep it short and to the point. PM me if you would like an example.

Here is their website:

http://www.usda.gov/oig/hotline.htm
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: HD_Wildlife
Realize it isn't the sidebar anyone is looking for here, but I would avoid the feral hog discussion


Quote:
Hogs are such prolific breeders that just shooting or trapping a few won't do much good. It's about like stomping a roach on the kitchen floor and expecting it to make a difference. - Rod Pinkston


I agree with you Justin. {just through a different pair of eyes my friend.} What really makes these Govt guys any better. Look at our own talent before you sell out a very successful private entity . And considering your background and documented expertise New Mexico would benefit by making you their hog czar and get back control of their own feral swine problem.

If POTUS really wanted to get rid of feral swine in the USA he should appoint Rod Pinkston his hog czar. . I am certain if the government gave this private business JagerPro the same federal funds the money would be better spent . What is so wrong with saying a private wildlife control company does the job better. I am told many WS trappers have considered themselves feral swine experts after watching his JagerPro videos and DVD's. lol



Example: http://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/predato...-kill-wild-hogs

USDA WS has never made any difference when it comes to feral hogs. Unless they intend to fly machine gun mounted helicopters and disclose real body counts why waste the tax dollars on a federal agency that can't even account for the tax funds they are receiving from the American people now.
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 07:17 PM

Originally Posted By: HD_Wildlife
Realize it isn't the sidebar anyone is looking for here, but I would avoid the feral hog discussion, more funding and coordination are the only things that will eliminate feral hog populations and anyone including the govt. doing so must have both to make something happen. States like FL and CA where policies confound the work being done including in CA selling GAME TAGS for hogs will make eradication impossible for anyone.

In NM a multi agency task force is having a very positive effect and changing the tide in feral hog population spread. Will this be the same everywhere? Nope,
but I would hesitate to throw stones in the direction of invasive species, they are better at it and it used to be my job to plan and coordinate it.

They (USDA) can't overthrow private landowners and others who harbor and spread hogs which is the real problem with feral animals of any kind, it is not possible to kill off a population of invasive species, or reduce disease issues, etc... without landowner support, because we do not live in a country where you can just usurp the private landowner for such things at this time. (Though this is done with invasive weeds in the western U.S.)

***********************

The rest of the discussion is interesting and entertaining and also telling of the separation within the "industry" being represented by various sides here.

I'm not jumping in on this discussion for any reason other than to say I would avoid the feral hog or invasive discussion. Until a bunch of private guys form an entity of size and scope to do statewide or regional feral hog programs with landowner and interagency support, this one is best left alone.

************************

Again, interesting discussion though on everything else!

smile


This is how they get their hands into new areas. There are companies that can handle these issue if given the chance, you just have to think a little bigger and give the private sector credit. As I said before there is no evidence of them being successful and this is not a new problem they have been dealing with them for decades with no rustles this is just another funding tactic.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 07:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Wildlife2
USDA set to be investigated in 2013 according to the OIG report.
See appendix E (pg 16)

http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/2013APFinal.pdf

It is vital that everyone contact the OIG and tell them how USDA is effecting you company. All you need to do is send an email, also ask them the current status of the investigation.

Make sure you back your claims up with facts and not anger. Keep it short and to the point. PM me if you would like an example.

Here is their website:

http://www.usda.gov/oig/hotline.htm


TTT
Posted By: Wildlife2

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/23/13 07:48 PM

TTT?
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/25/13 08:39 PM



Update: Town Reconsiders Geese Cull

After outcry from animal rights proponents, the Town of North Hempstead has backed off its plan to cull up to 600 geeset

http://greatneck.patch.com/groups/editors-picks/p/town-reconsiders-geese-cull_8516f9a4
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/26/13 02:26 AM

A must read: graduate study on competition between USDA Wildlife Services and WCOs

http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2431&context=etd
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/26/13 02:35 AM

Have you seen this?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...YtLYt4fIpYoCXWw
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/26/13 08:22 PM

Thanks wildlifeus, this study, being only a couple of years old, I found it kind of amazing that I knew practically everyone mentioned, including the author. Some of these guys, that I know, are PHDs and all I am is a CWCP.

Yeah, not only have I seen it but I've met the speaker and think very highly of him.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/11/13 07:34 PM

USDA Doing work in NE

http://fremonttribune.com/news/local/cou...30d006abe9.html
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/19/13 08:12 PM

Paul,
Isn't this nears you?

USDA gets three contracts to do gull work in Two Rivers WI......

http://www.htrnews.com/article/20130618/...?nclick_check=1
Posted By: DAVE SALYS-CWCP

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/19/13 08:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Paul Winkelmann
Thanks wildlifeus, this study, being only a couple of years old, I found it kind of amazing that I knew practically everyone mentioned, including the author. Some of these guys, that I know, are PHDs and all I am is a CWCP.

Yeah, not only have I seen it but I've met the speaker and think very highly of him.

Paul most of the phd's I know can't wipe their own behinds or tie their own shoes. Now a CWCP can do most anything including surviving a ladder fall, twice.
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/19/13 10:32 PM

Hey, thanks again, wildlifeus. Two Rivers is not close enough for us to handle but there may be some other Wisconsinites that aren't too happy.

Salys, I can only hope my daughter doesn't earn a PHD. I haven't wiped her for 38 years and I don't want to start again.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/20/13 12:27 PM

Typical government waste?

One million in tax payer money.

http://newmexico.watchdog.org/18432/video-1-million-to-send-hogs-to-heaven/
Posted By: DAVE SALYS-CWCP

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/20/13 01:14 PM

Depends, Paul at this late stage of your life the roles will probably be reversed. blush
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/20/13 01:46 PM

Some interesting words on USDA;

http://www.pctonline.com/pct0513-legislative-day-update.aspx
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/20/13 05:50 PM

Did you know that USDA Wildlife Services has a contract with ALDOT to do beaver work state wide?

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damag...bama_report.pdf
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/20/13 05:58 PM

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damag...bama_report.pdf
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/01/13 05:24 PM

Why don't they hire someone in the private sector instead of relying on tax payers?

http://www.capitalpress.com/content/SE-wolf-money-070513
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/01/13 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
Did you know that USDA Wildlife Services has a contract with ALDOT to do beaver work state wide?

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damag...bama_report.pdf


And Alabama Power/Energen/Alagasco and Norfolk-Southern.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/01/13 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
Why don't they hire someone in the private sector instead of relying on tax payers?

http://www.capitalpress.com/content/SE-wolf-money-070513


Urban Rodent Control should consist on getting the rats out of DC.


Interesting and even responsible action would be if they closed down USDA Wildlife Services just like the White House.

Govt is broke and plans to shut down 10 active US Army brigades located in the US and put 80,000 soldiers on the streets unemployed.

We need a stronger military more then federal rat catchers. Just saying!
Posted By: Jonesie

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/02/13 01:21 AM

a little story, many years ago before the Berlin wall came down, I was giving our state trapping course. I remember A very tall dark hair fellow came walking up to me and asked me if I was the one in charge of the class, which I was. He spoke very good broken English. He told me that he was a trapper from Russia, and that he just moved to my state, matter fact, he had just arrived in our country just 6 months earlier. he asked if he needed to take the state trapping course to trap here. I asked do you have a trapping lic from Russia? at which he pulled out a paper with you guessed it, nothing I could understand LOL. I told him yeah you will need to take the 2 day course. He told me he had proof that he was a trapper in Russia. He ran to his car yes car LOL and came back with a big book filled with pictures. one of the first pics was of snow, he and his partner with a pile of fur, standing next to a big helicopter, looked like a old transport chopper. I asked about the pic. his reply was, I was a government trapper, my partner and I would fly it in to our line stay for the trapping season then fly it back out. I asked what type of trapping did you do for the government way out there in the middle of nowhere? he told me, fur trapping. The government paid him to trap wild fur, that was his job. I won't say anything else here on the discussion we had on how and why he ended up here in the USA, and I never knew what happened to him after he left the course, but I can't help but wonder is this the direction that this great country is headed in?
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/02/13 08:44 PM

My line of thinking is just the opposite. We are finally getting this country used to paying private operators for animal removal. We get a whole lot less people now than we did twenty years ago that expect free service. ( Okay, this is still Wisconsin and we do get shopped a lot )

Just the fact that the USDA can no longer hide from us has got to be a big problem for them. There are a lot of things that they do that we would probably have no interest in. ( Just ask Justin ) If I was unfairly bid against by any government agency, I know which of my elected representatives to contact. ( Which may be the reason I have had no trouble )

But I have to admit that having a helicopter at my disposal and lessons to fly it, would be mighty tempting! ( Heck, if I needed help, I could even pick up Jonesie )
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/04/13 01:56 AM

Some free advertising for USDA WS in NH.
Why is the state promoting USDA instead of private nwcos?
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wildlife/nuisance_wildlife.html
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/04/13 02:05 AM

Quote:
If Wildlife Services is not able to help resolve your problems by providing technical information, they can direct you to a list of professional Nuisance Wildlife Control Operators (NWCOs) who, for a fee, can help you resolve your nuisance wildlife issue.


I think it would be more appropriate to have the private nwco as the resource of choice. I'm going to get in touch with F&G and see why they are recommending WS first.

I talked to them a while ago about goose roundups and got a reasonable answer. It will be interesting to see what they say about this.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/04/13 02:15 AM

Please share with other nwcos in your state. Yes I did see that at the bottom But they will only refer to us as a last resort.
And they make a point to mention that we charge And they don't mention that USDA does to.
Posted By: Longuner

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/04/13 02:15 AM

And if y'all read at the bottom of the page, it says if wildlife services is unable to resolve the problem through technical assistance they will direct you to a list of nwco's who for a fee can solve the problem. So it seems to me a call to the local USDA-WS office to be put on a list would be my first call on Friday!
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/04/13 02:21 AM

Quote:
Please share with other nwcos in your state. Yes I did see that at the bottom But they will only refer to us as a last resort.
And they make a point to mention that we charge And they don't mention that USDA does to.


I agree and like I said, I'm going to talk to them about it.

Our F&G dept. is a pretty good group of people. I expect the reason will be forthcoming.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/04/13 02:26 AM

Thanks
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/04/13 02:30 AM

USDA is doing bat control in Maine

http://www.maine.gov/agriculture/pesticides/schoolipm/pests/Bats.htm
They also refer readers to professionals but USDA is listed first.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/04/13 02:43 AM

Some USDA advertising. Note: no mention of nwcos.....

http://www.maine.gov/agriculture/pesticides/schoolipm/pests/Bats.htm
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/05/13 03:42 PM

wildlifeus - The link shows them and your game dept. as resources to check with for bat removal. This is very likely due to the rabies program links that have been in place a long long time. The fact they have a link to professionals and USDA isn't on it would show that they aren't doing removal.

This seems like one where contacting the state and asking them to modify that link so it says for more information on bat rabies or to learn more about bat management options you can check with these state and federal resources that do not actually do removal, but can give you advice.

Every state I've lived in when working for WS we would have given them some basic info on bats/management or referred them to the state game and fish while advising them there are professionals who do this type of work.

There are many states that have got this working right with just some simple language changes, the link doesn't show they are actually doing removal, just shows that whoever built the link isn't being clear in what they are saying. If we take the same logic the state G&F in that state is doing removal too and I would bet that isn't happening either.

Just points of clarity, some of these deals can be resolved with a bit of effort to contact folks and show them that this isn't clear and would help folks get to help faster and without confusion.

Just a thought.....

Justin
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/10/13 08:03 PM

Any word on NH SGS?

Here is some potential work for NWCOs in PA. You should contact the town board and see if you can put in a proposal. USDA did the work last year and will likely get the work this year if we do not contact the town.

http://delcotimes.com/articles/2013/07/10/news/doc51dd7c191bc23126674256.txt
Posted By: Longuner

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/10/13 09:01 PM

At the end of the article the mayor recognized a private bow hunter for his help culling deer, so he got that contract locked down.
Posted By: andyva

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/11/13 12:21 AM

http://www.wdbj7.com/video/Flock-of-gees...rz/-/index.html Guess that explains why I don't get goose calls, government is doing it, and handling it real well.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/11/13 01:15 AM

The private guy wasn't getting paid. He just removed them during season.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/12/13 01:33 PM

USDA Wildlife Services doing goose work in TN. How many example do I have to put on here before people relize how much they are hurting our industry?

And these are just the easy to find news stories..............

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jul/11/college-geese-killed/
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/12/13 01:34 PM

Is anyone doing bear work? USDA WS is......

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/article/20130710/NEWS01/307100015?nclick_check=1
Posted By: DAVE SALYS-CWCP

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/12/13 04:15 PM

Our state doesn't allow private bear control, that goes for mountain lion, deer or any large game animal. I am allowed deer and antelope carcass removal with a special permit.
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/13/13 11:27 AM

The same is true in NH. We aren't allowed to work with bear, deer, etc.

Our WCO license allows us to trap nuisance FURBEARERS out of season, not game animals.

Quote:
Any word on NH SGS?


Nothing yet. I have to go back to the office this coming week.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/15/13 01:44 PM

Some free advertising for USDA.....
http://www.petethomasoutdoors.com/2013/0...g-outdoors.html
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/15/13 01:46 PM

SGS your correct about your NWCO license only being good for furbearers, however F&G can issue a permit to the property owner to control other animals, under which you can operate.
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/19/13 11:18 PM

Quote:
Any word on NH SGS?


OK, I finally got to talk to someone in the Wildlife Division about that web page.

To start, they consider WS as their go to wildlife experts. They lead folks to WS so they don't have to answer questions homeowners have about wildlife in their yards.

F&G has a list of WCOs by town. WS as well as the UNH Cooperative Extension Service has the same list and all three recommend WCO's when homeowners don't want to handle their situations themselves.

That's the story.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/23/13 11:14 PM

USDA doing coyote work in VA
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2013-07-23/coyotes-a-growing-nuisance-for-va-dot-farmers
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/24/13 12:38 AM

I know it's a minor point but there's nothing in that article that suggests that USDA is doing coyote work in VA.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/26/13 08:15 PM

Some more advertising for USDA in NC

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2013/07/25/1271472?sac=fo.local
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/26/13 08:16 PM

USDA WS doing skunk work?

That stinks.......
http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local...-216849991.html
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/27/13 12:53 AM

http://now.msn.com/barred-owl-removal-to-proceed-by-government
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/30/13 10:43 AM

Professional Hunters........

http://articles.philly.com/2013-07-25/news/40773980_1_lower-merion-twp-deer-population-58-deer
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/02/13 01:26 AM

Beaver in WI

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damag...20%203-2012.pdf
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/03/13 12:34 AM

USDA trying to take over preditor control and management.
http://m.elkodaily.com/news/local/wildli...bile_touch=true
Posted By: SOUTHERN STEEL

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/04/13 04:09 PM

AS I read this I am blown away that most of you dont seem to have a problem with the gov working in the private sector! Man I think its clear, its not right! PERIOD. I do alot of coyote trapping in the south and i know the western guys may not belive this but we do a good job on manageing the numbers, studys done in the state show this.I think for the most part is the tracts of land are smaller blocks and lot more boarders, easier to catch in these areas not wide open area some are faced with.Not all coyote territory is the same and some areas our efforts are more efficient is what im saying... sorry to ramble.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/04/13 05:41 PM

The men and women of the USDA WS do work that is needed to be done.

The problem is the federal government does not need to be involved. Its that simple.
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/04/13 05:52 PM

Quote:
AS I read this I am blown away that most of you dont seem to have a problem with the gov working in the private sector! Man I think its clear, its not right! PERIOD.


SOUTHERN STEEL, I think it's true that "most" don't have a problem with it and those that do are probably just tired of the argument.

The government has been working in areas that could be handled by the private sector since long before anyone here was born. From education to law enforcement to corrections to trash disposal to road maintenance, fire departments, ambulance service, domestic animal control, wildlife control and on and on it goes.

Work at your state level and see if you can get your local representative to get a bill going to ban the government working in areas that could be handled by the private sector. From my own experience, it's an uphill battle.
Posted By: SOUTHERN STEEL

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/04/13 06:15 PM

SGS,I tried that. I found out that in my county we now have a USDA APPOINTED beaver trapper! Not throwing any stones but I heard the fella not much of a trapper.Makes 50,000 yr in my county.Ive talked to my state reps and it just died out.I will continue to try.Good luck to you hope your staying busy.
Posted By: sgs

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/04/13 06:19 PM

Quote:
Ive talked to my state reps and it just died out.


Yep.

Complaining on the internet goes nowhere. You need to have government cooperation to ban government functions.

I think we can all see where that's going.

But, show your county that the beaver work can be done better and cheaper by the private sector and you might get somewhere.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/04/13 06:50 PM

It not about getting rid of any animals. It is even policy to not give any trapping numbers (by the job) or even prove they have ever even caught a beaver in SC or anywhere. Compare it to the new national health care system that was never about better medical care . It is no secret the government can't do anything without wasting $$$ and doing the job the wrong way .

Six Categories Tax Dollar Waste- The six categories of wasteful and unnecessary spending are: (USDA WS is 6 for 6 on the list below)
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/10/50-examples-of-government-waste

. Programs that should be devolved to state and local governments;
. Programs that could be better performed by the private sector;
. Mistargeted programs whose recipients should not be entitled to government benefits;
. Outdated and unnecessary programs;
. Duplicative programs; and
. Inefficiency, mismanagement, and fraud.

Its all about growing the public sector(socialism, communism what ever you want to call it.)
Its all about taking away rights of citizens.
Its all about the federal government taxing the people and sending the money out of your county and state.

The wildlife legally are the property of each state not the federal government If you don't like USDA WS and what they are doing in SC don't lay on your back and accept it. Do something get involved just like SGS said. I can go on and on. You get the point.
Posted By: SOUTHERN STEEL

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/04/13 07:41 PM

Point taken Robb, tell me the first step. Im more than willing to do my part.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/05/13 01:28 AM

Through legislation and the courts !!
Posted By: SedgeTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/27/13 03:34 AM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus



I would love to see private ADC businesses attempt to protect 1,540 miles of trout streams.

Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/27/13 12:44 PM

Originally Posted By: UWSPTrapper
Originally Posted By: wildlifeus



I would love to see private ADC businesses attempt to protect 1,540 miles of trout the streams.



What makes you think private enterprise can't? I know one south ga trapper that single handedly covers hundreds of miles of watershed.
If you think size is the issue remember this, McDonald's has served one billion.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/27/13 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: warrior
Originally Posted By: UWSPTrapper


I would love to see private ADC businesses attempt to protect 1,540 miles of trout the streams.



What makes you think private enterprise can't? I know one south ga trapper that single handedly covers hundreds of miles of watershed.
If you think size is the issue remember this, McDonald's has served one billion.


Correction warrior try like 247 Billion +

Private industry certainly can do it better .
Just look at Rod Pinkston at how JAGERPRO out produces USDA WS in real feral hog kills.







Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/27/13 07:54 PM

Robb, makes one wonder just what if the guvment was in charge of fast food. A big mac instead of being $5 would set you back $125 and instead of Americans eating so many that we're fat we'd look like a bunch of ethiopians.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/27/13 08:21 PM

USDA Bird Burger Franchises come quickly to my mind as this agency takes over McDonalds and replaces their own brand on every corner.
But I grew up a big fan of science fiction and thoughts of soylent green are now in my head right now. Thanks!.

Just a thought. At some point the guvment is gonna tell us they have a found a food value in billions of birds poisoned in North America in the name of guvment

Forgive my Sarcasm.

But Don't Eat The New Bird !! grin
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/27/13 09:44 PM

David, I know that private enterprise can do anything that it sets its mind to, but I'm not real sure about any of us wanting to protect all those miles of stream for six trout fisherman and four trout.
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/27/13 10:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Paul Winkelmann
I'm not real sure about any of us wanting to protect all those miles of stream for six trout fisherman and four trout.


I think it depends how much are they paying USDA WS to do that Paul ?

And the right to compete and do it better for less.
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/27/13 10:30 PM

Paul, the beauty of the market is that I don't have to care if three or four trout as long as the check clears.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/09/13 12:43 AM

Over 700 of our competitors not on the job smile
Who is more reliable?
Posted By: andyva

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/09/13 03:54 AM

When I worked for the gubmint, we came in and played cards when we had a state "furlough" day. Used it like a vacation day, took it off later when it was hunting season, didn't get paid for it, but got a bonus of almost exactly the same amount that we lost. Business as usual, just locked the gates to make it hard on the public. Now that I'm a free by gosh trapper and sell my plews to the highest bidder, I've worked my tail off every day during this shutdown. The biggest difference I can see, is that the private sector can operate with less overhead, we don't need to pay fifteen bureaucrats to manage each field worker. There is the whole issue of them not having to achieve a profit margin to stay in business, but in this industry should that really be an issue?
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/09/13 12:12 PM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
Over 700 of our competitors not on the job smile
Who is more reliable?


No need to ask this question It never ever was the USDA WILDLIFE SERVICES .

If your reading this and expected me to say something other then get a real job.

Too bad too sad.

Andy I thought all they really did was play cards. !!!
Posted By: andyva

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/09/13 01:12 PM

Well, when we were under normal operation, we kept the wagers small, so that it was easy to clear the table when the public came. My entry into this field came as a result of my disdain for Walker Texas Ranger. Nothing against Chuck Norris, but when quitting time as at 4, and I've got stuff to do at home, watching TV from 2:30 on is not that much fun, even when getting paid. Busy work, sweeping dirt in circles, riding around beating the clock, all activities performed daily by government workers, all over the country. The reason gas prices are high? Go out in the middle of the day and look around at a stop light, and look for the government tags. Millions of people riding around beating the clock 1 person per vehicle, all with a government gas card, and no care of how much it costs. Taking the longest route, burning up time. I guess I'm like an x-smoker, madder about it because I've seen the bad side up close and personal.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/09/13 02:06 PM

WS is cooperatively funded as is known. Those in non co-op positions are furloughed, meaning they are at home, not in trucks with gas cards wondering where to burn time.

Those in co-op positions are working as always.

WS in the news was started I thought to provide news about contracts and competition?

Yes?

No?

I worked too hard for 10 years with this outfit to allow it to said they don't produce and aren't essential to so many in our country. If folks feel they must be derogatory rather than informative about true or perceived issues I'll be compelled to address the erroneous posts.

Why not share news and go to congress and your politicians with your issues and make it happen?

I've said it before, where do you think these folks will go if the are forever defunded? They are going to enter this private market all over the country. With experience, ability and more where with all than most start ups.

1 state director could organize all his employees and make a statewide operation in about a week.

Yes they will have to compete with everyone on "equal ground" but many who argue this topic truly don't appreciate how many people will jump in and become large NWCOs overnight.

I've encouraged many to go private since doing so myself. Way better money and nobody calling you lazy and unnecessary just because you took a govt job.

The folks that believe govt employees don't work as hard as the next guy in any industry frankly don't know a bit about it. Comparing incentive profit driven models with govt or corporation based entities will always show disparity.

Just share news and comment on it with integrity and thought and leave the crap for water cooler talk....
Posted By: andyva

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/09/13 02:36 PM

Hey, I wasted 10 years as a Gov. employee as well, but I doubt if many of the people I dealt with could operate in the private sector. Takes too much drive. And in many cases, sobriety. Maybe it's a East Coast/West Coast thing. You did the right thing, if you have a problem being labeled a shovel leaner, government employment is probably not a good choice. If you want to shove your authoriti and credentials down peoples throat, then it is an excellent choice. I will say, that it takes a lot more than most people realize to deal with everything that gets handed to you from the powers that be. I would gladly give up business to anyone leaving government employment to join free enterprise, just so that they wouldn't have to deal with stupid stunts like this government shutdown.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/10/13 05:27 PM

Andy, just to clarify, I worked for WS, did you work for WS or another govt. agency, I'm seriously only asking to clarify which branch of govt. you are referring to based on this being a WS thread.

I left my position with WS after 10 years because of wanting to spend more time with my wife doing the kind of thing that we've always wanted to. We wanted to start a NWCO business the year before I we were both hired by the NWRC branch of WS to work in MI. We actually tried to get a CC franchise in NY but someone held the license though they weren't using it, so we kept looking for our first professional jobs out of college.

I've worked for WS in MI, OR, NM and served projects in PA, WI, TX, WA, AK and a few other deployment type missions. Of course in 10 years you will run across an employee or two that you thought could have pulled more weight, however I saw guys get dropped when they were this type because the cooperators saw it too and knew they weren't getting what they needed from the program.

I've worked on both coasts for this outfit and have folks that I look up to that I'd carry water for as the saying goes. Men, women of all ages and elements.

Most of the people I worked with 99% of them provide direct services at request of cooperator thus pushing credentials wasn't a needed commodity, folks called when they have wildlife damage management issues and folks I worked with responded.

Most folks that work as field personnel for this outfit need a second line of income and I can scarcely remember any that didn't do something else to provide income, or had a spouse who added to the pot in order to make ends meat.

I knew young folks right out of college starting with this agency much like I did and I knew old timers that were nearing retirement that had been all around the block with the field.

My point that I've stressed is that it is way to common to say the govt. doesn't work hard, but why not just keep the thread to the aspect of why I as a NWCO feel WS should be limited in their mission to not compete with me as a NWCO.

That doesn't require the more personal statements that are hard for me to not involve myself in.

Anyone including the folks in this outfit can understand people wanting the govt. to not be a hinderance or blockage to their livelihood, but there are many iterations of this debate that result in a bunch of different thoughts.

I'm not worried that if they were permanently disbanded they won't land on their feet, sure some will fail like anyone trying to get into this business or other forms of wildlife management, but the bulk will not only succeed they will thrive.

Just my .02, every human in our country pursues a life that suits them or that fits their constraints and abilities. If they end up working for the govt. in any capacity, I just feel its a crappy thing to just say that they are inherently lazy or deficient because of it.

If folks can stick to the fight they have with WS this would be a thread that could be used to show your political allies that want to take part in the fight, otherwise they get a staffer to start reading and realize it gets way way off topic and personal beyond the need to do so.

Justin
Posted By: andyva

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/11/13 03:23 AM

Sorry, I worked for a game department. You are right, I probably shouldn't clutter up this particular thread with tired old rhetoric. I've only worked directly with two WS personnel in my life. One was high caliber. The other, if you could have bought him for what he was worth and sold him for what he thought he was worth,he would have been a valuable asset. On a state level I saw every abuse of power that you could think of, and then some. We did have an agency director who thought it would be a good idea to use the state credit card to take a bunch of his buddies on safari. Maybe I just live in a crappy state. Many government employees do work very hard. Sadly, they need outside income to survive. In every agency I've seen the real shovel leaners seem to have the highest salaries and generally contribute the least. Except when it came to micro-managing all of their underlings. Please don't think I have directed anything at you personally, Justin, because I find your input very valuable. I have a fairly large chip on my shoulder, obviously this is not a good place to put it on display.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/11/13 04:01 PM

Andy, no worries, appreciate your feedback and understand your rant as well. I do think there are many of the same issues in govt. agencies as a whole as there are in any segment of the business world, but of course we all expect more from the folks that are paid the serve the public, versus private interest companies. Totally understandable, mostly I just wanted to verify as I didn't know for sure if you worked for this outfit or another. No feeling on my end that you were personally insulting myself in any way, just time for my own rant as its been awhile too! smile

Have a good weekend!

Justin
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/11/13 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: HD_Wildlife
I've said it before, where do you think these folks will go if the are forever defunded? ....


Justin-

I don't see the whole mission of the USDA WS going away just smaller, more efficient more managerial and research oriented but never in a regulatory role or position.

Much of the manpower power oriented from the State Payroll or in the private industry. I have never had a problem with the mission it needs to be done. Its more of a matter of who is doing it and why. Its not just USDA WS , but all of USDA, US Forest Service, National Park Service, Department of Interior and a real look at the 51 agencies that were created by the Teddy Roosevelt Administration related to Conservation. Its not the mission but who is doing the mission and why. Land and natural resources should ultimately remain states rights that has been trampled on more and more over the last 100 years. Just look at the federal water rights problems in your own Arizona.

Its hard to argue that every facet of the USDA WS mission has to be done only by the Federal Government. I don't think one state constitution exists that states gave up their own rights to a States own land & natural resources. The mission from State Director on down could be done by State employees and vendor relationships with the private industry. It obviously could be done by all state employees the issue remains why does this need to be done by the federal government at all. I don't buy the federal lands need federal officials arguments. The intention of the Teddy Roosevelt administrations has taken on new roles over the years and many things related to conservation has put the government against the consumer and business in general. I don't buy the efficiency argument when tax payer dollars paid for the research of various government only avicides, starlicides etc.

Why can't state officials just comply with USFWS and issue bird depredation permits? The biggest complaint from my clients today is USDA WS is using their present role to be a predator of the private industry. The customers of a WCO Company don't need to have USDA WS try to undersell a job using legally approved methods . USDA WS doesn't need to even be in the bird depredation process at all. The inclusion of USDA WS only invites unfair competition.

A good example of unfair competition is how USDA WS involvement with large rodents in Massachusetts and the PEST ACT. The list is quite long but again what makes most of the nuisance work a federal only requirement in the first place.


Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/11/13 09:10 PM

A lucid argument Robb, more on track with the overall thread.

smile

I definitely see clearly why certain species of wildlife and our industry cause the most concern and USFWS permit process is one that boggles my mind and has even when I was an employee of the feds. Though state to state it does seem to vary.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/22/13 03:04 AM

Sorry I haven't post many new articles, they seem to be drying up.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/29/13 05:28 PM

USDA Back ad Work doing pigeon control......

http://trib.com/news/local/casper/answer...2a7c8f998b.html
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/29/13 05:50 PM

wildlifeus - The burning question on this one would be who is in Casper doing wildlife control work that would like to trap these pigeons?

Anyone on this forum? In absence of a wildlife control company should WS not provide the service requested by the city? Just questions not statements.

I googled wildlife control and casper wyoming and no pay results, and the yellowbook didn't list either on the first page of results...

Doesn't mean someones not there, but curious if there is someone sitting at home wishing the 1,000 pigeons are enough to make extra lunch money.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/29/13 06:02 PM

Im not sure, did you look up pest control companies? or just NWCOS?
Posted By: DAVE SALYS-CWCP

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/29/13 06:07 PM

Wyoming is pretty much a wide open market, the only WCO I ever heard of was in Cody and I don't know if he's still active. If you look at NWCOA's member list nobody is listed for WY not to mean you have to be a member but it's a good indication of lack of operators. I tried servicing the northern cities in WY in my early years but the closest WY city is still over 100 miles away and I have plenty to do here at home. I'll bet WY is like MT and that nobody is willing to pay what it takes to make a profit at pigeon trapping, with daily or twice a day trap checks it gets expensive FAST.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/29/13 06:12 PM

I just looked for wildlife control, frankly though I have more relations now with pest controllers, I would expect most of them belong
to the NPMA and therefore can go to WS if they feel this is an issue and show the MOU they have stating they won't compete.

I see more competition from the pest control industry as they are already in the door doing typical pest work. I had two places in the last
month where I went in and dropped a card and said I can resolve this pigeon issue your having, only to see spike show up about 3 weeks
later on both.

Who installed the spike? The folks on contract for their other pest issues (mice, roaches, etc...)

In my market the competition that is most fierce isn't from NWCO's it is from the name brand pest controllers who dabble in wildlife, they all know how to put up spike and it seems to be (along with avicide) to be their go to for every installation.

I'm sure there are a bunch of pest controllers in that city who do bird work and other, I know we are mixed and mingled now with the pest control industry and many folks obviously offer all services, but I'm still thinking in terms of wildlife control industry.

Justin


***

Very true Dave! I have helped with referrals for bats there and the closest operator was in Idaho and was several hundred miles away!

Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/29/13 07:28 PM

Here is USDA's new directive on Urban Wildlife Control.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damage/directives/2.345_Urban_Rodent.pdf
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/31/13 03:18 PM

usdas official policy on Urban Wildlife has been posted on the federal register.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-08-14/pdf/2013-19831.pdf
Posted By: Robb Russell

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 10/31/13 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
usdas official policy on Urban Wildlife has been posted on the federal register.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-08-14/pdf/2013-19831.pdf


Of course it was entered into the federal register !!

We were sold out and unfair competition will just get worse from here on out.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/18/13 08:31 PM

Free Advertising?

http://www.timesdispatch.com/powhatantod...19bb30f31a.html
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/01/14 04:03 AM

Look what I found.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/01/14 04:05 AM

Do you know if you can merg threads?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/07/14 02:36 PM

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Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/09/14 10:26 PM



Indiana Mammal EA Supplement Notice for Public Review/Comment
02/06/2014
NOTICE OF AVAILABILITY

The USDA, APHIS, Wildlife Services (WS), has prepared a Supplement to the Environmental Assessment (EA), “REDUCING MAMMAL DAMAGE IN THE STATE OF INDIANA.” The EA analyzed the potential environmental impacts of alternatives for WS involvement in mammal damage management in Indiana. The EA Supplement is available for review and comment prior to issuing a decision on the alternative to be selected and its associated environmental impacts. Interested parties may obtain the Supplement by contacting: USDA APHIS Wildlife Services, Purdue University, Smith Hall, 901 W. State Street, West Lafayette, IN 47907-2089, (765) 494-6229, FAX (765) 494-9475, by clicking on the below link, or http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wps/portal/aph...rams%2FSA_NEPA.

We request that all comments on the Supplement to the EA be sent to the address or FAX number listed above by March 15, 2014. When faxing a comment, a copy should also be mailed to ensure that a complete version of the text is received. All comments received, including the names and addresses of those who comment, will be part of the public record and will be released for public review as required and allowed by law.

IN mammal supplement 2014_final.pdf
Pennsylvania Counties White-tailed Deer EA Supplement for Public Review/Comment
02/06/2014
NOTICE OF AVAILABILITY

The USDA, APHIS, Wildlife Services (WS) has prepared a Supplement to the Environmental Assessment (EA), “SHOOTING WHITE-TAILED DEER TO ASSIST THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA, FAIRMOUNT PARK COMMISSION IN ACHIEVING DEER POPULATION REDUCTIONS ON PARK PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE PENNSYLVANIA COUNTIES OF DELAWARE, MONTGOMERY, AND PHILADELPHIA.” The Supplement to the EA analyzes the potential environmental impacts of alternatives for WS involvement in deer damage management in the Philadelphia parks. The EA Supplement is available for review and comment prior to issuing a decision on the alternative to be selected and its associated environmental impacts. Interested parties may obtain the Supplement by contacting: USDA APHIS Wildlife Services, P.O. Box 60827, Harrisburg, PA 17106-0827, (717) 236-9451, FAX (717) 236-9454, by clicking the link below, or http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wps/portal/aph...rams%2FSA_NEPA.

We request that all comments on the Supplement to the EA be sent to the address or FAX number listed above by March 15, 2014. When faxing a comment, a copy should also be mailed to ensure that a complete version of the text is received. All comments received, including the names and addresses of those who comment, will be part of the public record and will be released for public review as required and allowed by law.
2013 Supplement PA Counties Deer Population Reduction.pdf

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Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/09/14 11:33 PM

This is one of those deals that so far, I have no argument with. We have a private company that gets paid less to whack a deer and take its body to a butcher, than we get paid to drag a car kill off of a lawn. All I can say is that as cold as it has been this year, I'm glad there wasn't enough money involved to get our company interested.
Posted By: SedgeTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: warrior
Originally Posted By: UWSPTrapper



I would love to see private ADC businesses attempt to protect 1,540 miles of trout the streams.



What makes you think private enterprise can't? I know one south ga trapper that single handedly covers hundreds of miles of watershed.
If you think size is the issue remember this, McDonald's has served one billion.


Looks like WS averages less than one beaver per mile of "protected stream."

I just can't see how a private company could afford to take on a project of that magnitude. You'd think labor alone would put them in the red.

I guess I've just never had an issue with Wisconsin's WS program.

They don't touch skunks, raccoons, snakes, bats, coyotes, squirrels, moles, feral cats, muskrats or opossums. Also, from what I've read, NWOs do almost all the urban white-tail control in the state as well.

They can have their one measly beaver per mile and its funding.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 01:35 PM

They do touch those animals and they do control deer in your state.
Posted By: NE Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 03:11 PM

There is No beaver work In northeast
WI, wildlife services suck it all up on our tax
Money. They don't even give everyday trappers
A chance at them! I have done a total of one
Beaver job In. 4 years of business, and I have
Seen countless streams with WS beaver
Control signs!
Posted By: SedgeTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
They do touch those animals.


No they don't. Not in Wisconsin.

WDNR will give you some crappy Hav-A-Heart live traps and tell you to get a trapping license if you call in coon or wood chuck issues or anything like that.

I also had a friend who lost some lambs to coyotes and WS wasn't able to help him. Said he either needed to start shooting them or hire a trapper.

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
They do control deer in your state.


The last city I lived in (Stevens Point) had a private company doing their urban white-tail work.

I've heard much of the same from others.
Posted By: SedgeTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 04:37 PM

Mr. Aaron Geistfeld
Absolute Wildlife Control
3711 Haga Drive
Plover, WI 54467

Dear Mr. Geistfeld:
Additional funds have been made available to the City of Stevens Point for deer culling. You may now cull additional antlerless
deer at your quote of $70.00 per deer culled through January 31, 2014.

Your new total
is as follows: 28 deer culled x $70.00 per deer = $1,960.00.

The City’s objective is to cull as many deer as soon as feasible.

The previous instructions remain in place.

This agreement may be terminated upon 24 hours’ notice by the City for reasons deemed sufficient by the
City.

We wish you success in your culling venture.

Sincerely,

Elbert J. Rackow

Chair

Deer Management Committee
715-341-1393
Posted By: Trapper Don

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 04:39 PM

I just can't see how a private company could afford to take on a project of that magnitude. You'd think labor alone would put them in the red.


You do not have a full understanding of a lot of the WCO companies in this country. Our company controls a lot more land then that in three states and make a very good profit. The devil is in the details and that's for others to figure out, but it can and is done by many other companies. As for WS doing a better job..NOT even close.
Don LaFountain CWCP
Posted By: SedgeTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Trapper Don
I just can't see how a private company could afford to take on a project of that magnitude. You'd think labor alone would put them in the red.


As for WS doing a better job..NOT even close.



I never said that...
Posted By: SedgeTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 04:52 PM

I really don't have a stake in this fight, I'm not trying to get under anyone's skin.

The two WS employees I've met in Wisconsin were educated, cordial, and accommodating.

My friend said much of the same (despite being [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot] off they wouldn't take some coyotes off his property).

I just think there is room for both of you in the state of Wisconsin.

Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 04:52 PM

While I tend to agree with BucTrapper, I do appreciate everyone's comments on this subject, especially with our WWCOA meeting just two days away. I have heard of no WS deer program in Wisconsin and I agree that they can have the one beaver per mile. But I only cover one little part of the state and it's the most populated part, so hearing what you guys from all over have to say is important. Perhaps we need to get a little discussion going on Thursday.
Posted By: SedgeTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 04:56 PM

Like I said I don't have a stake in this fight so I'm not trying to harass anyone or get under anyone's skin.

You guys and your families depend on this for your livelihood so I understand the animosity towards WS.
Posted By: SedgeTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/11/14 05:00 PM

Lastly,

My comments about Wisconsin WS' beaver program were only in regards to the "trout program" link that someone posted in here.

I have no idea if they take on smaller beaver contracts (dikes, culverts, trout ponds, etc. etc.)
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/20/14 11:31 AM

http://m.argusobserver.com/sports/livest...a.html?mode=jqm
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/20/14 12:20 PM

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-new...help-counteract
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/21/14 07:08 AM

usda wildlife services'
cash cow

USDA is using this law to push private companies off of DOd properties.
http://www.fws.gov/habitatconservation/USCODE_2011_title16_chap5C.pdf
Millions of dollars are being taken away from private wco companies and given to wildlife services.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/22/14 08:38 AM

Cody,

Can you point to the part of this USFWS (US Fish and Wildlife Service) document that talks about WS?

How does USDA use a USFWS law?

I think you'd get more mileage out of your anti WS posts if you illustrate for the reader the smoking gun you
believe you've found.

Hows that FOIA for NM coming along? Did you find all the money being stolen from me and the other 3 guys
in the state doing wildlife work?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/22/14 01:25 PM

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/11/19/175013/federal-wildlife-services-competes.html
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/23/14 12:13 AM

wildlifeus, if you are losing so much work to Wildlife Services, maybe you should re-evaluate your business model or consider another career. From what I'm told, they have strict policies against competition with the private sector. In fact, if there is a bidding process for the proposed work, they cannot even offer a bid.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/23/14 02:46 AM

Haha thanks for the advice. All this time I thought they were allowed to compete against private companies. Thanks for clearing things up.
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/24/14 12:18 AM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
Haha thanks for the advice. All this time I thought they were allowed to compete against private companies. Thanks for clearing things up.

You're welcome, and I am glad that I could cheer you up as well.
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/28/14 02:06 PM

wildlifeus,

I agree 150% with you that wildlife services should not be competing with private industry, that private industry does a better job on any sized project at a tax saving to the American public. In addition to many of the points made in your posts, not only does ws act unethically/illegally but it is getting national public attention (google wildlife services exposed). Regardless of the source the actions of ws give our whole industry a poor appearance. So when congress does act to correct ws they, as in the past, will likely encompass the whole industry.

To address this problem before hand I believe we, private industry wildlife companies, need to do what we can to separate ourselves from ws. Most of us in the business maintain high standards, we should continue to do so. We should also continue to support private industry, pay taxes, and remain competitive. I am also in support of a stronger state level and congressional lobby.

Thanks for providing your posts,

NV man
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/10/14 08:43 AM

Gull work

http://www.berlindailysun.com/index.php?...&Itemid=442
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/26/14 09:45 AM

Some more gull work

http://www.htrnews.com/article/20140325/...?nclick_check=1
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/02/14 02:10 AM

Wildlifeus,

That is a lot of work the private industry should be doing. I will email the city manager and support that private industry should be doing the work. I encourage others to do the same.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/08/14 11:12 AM

We know how effective USDA has been at eradicating cormorants and the millions they spent on that...... They have been chasing hogs for decades can they point at one success?
Don't forget to pay your taxes before the 15th. They are clearly going to need your $$$

USDA ANNOUNCES $20 MILLION EFFORT TO REDUCE DAMAGE
CAUSED BY FERAL SWINE

WASHINGTON, April 2, 2014 — Undersecretary for USDA’s Marketing and Regulatory Programs Edward Avalos announced today that USDA is kicking off a national effort to reduce the devastating damage caused by feral, or free ranging, swine. The $20 million program aims to help states deal with a rapidly expanding population of invasive wild swine that causes $1.5 billion in annual damage and control costs.

“Feral swine are one of the most destructive invaders a state can have,” said Undersecretary Avalos. “They have expanded their range from 17 to 39 states in the last 30 years and cause damage to crops, kill young livestock, destroy property, harm natural resources, and carry diseases that threaten other animals as well as people and water supplies. It’s critical that we act now to begin appropriate management of this costly problem.”

The Wildlife Services (WS) program of USDA’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) will lead the effort, tailoring activities to each state’s circumstance and working closely with other Federal, State, Tribal, and local entities. WS will work directly with states to control populations, test animals for diseases, and research better methods of managing feral swine damage. A key part of the national program will include surveillance and disease monitoring to protect the health of our domestic swine.

Feral swine have become a serious problem in 78% of all states in the country, carrying diseases that can affect people, domestic animals, livestock and wildlife, as well as local water supplies. They also cause damage to field and high-value crops of all kinds from Midwestern corn and soybeans to sugar cane, peanuts, spinach and pumpkins. They kill young animals and their characteristic rooting and wallowing damages natural resources, including resources used by native waterfowl, as well as archeological and recreational lands. Feral swine compete for food with native wildlife, such as deer, and consume the eggs of ground-nesting birds and endangered species, such as sea turtles.

“In addition to the costly damage to agricultural and natural resources, the diseases these animals carry present a real threat to our swine populations,” said Avalos. “Feral swine are able to carry and transmit up to 30 diseases and 37 different parasites to livestock, people, pets and wildlife, so surveillance and disease monitoring is another keystone to this program.”

As part of the national program, APHIS will test feral swine for diseases of concern for U.S. pork producers, such as classical swine fever, which does not exist in the United States, as well as swine brucellosis, porcine reproductive and respiratory syndrome, swine influenza, and pseudorabies. Ensuring that domestic swine are not threatened by disease from feral swine helps ensure that U.S. export markets remain open.

APHIS aims to have the program operating within 6 months and funding for the comprehensive project includes, among other things:
• $9.5 million for state projects
• $1.4 million for establishing procedures for disease monitoring, including the development of new surveillance and vaccination methods
• $1.5 million for WS’ National Wildlife Research Center to conduct research and economic analyses to improve control practices
• $1.6 million for the centralization of control operations, and for making them safer and more cost-effective
Initial state funding levels will be based on current feral swine populations and associated damage to resources. Because feral swine populations, like most wildlife, cross international borders, APHIS will also coordinate with Canada and Mexico on feral swine damage management.

“We’ve already begun this type of work through a pilot program in New Mexico,” said Avalos. “Through this pilot program, we have successfully removed feral swine from 1.4 million acres of land. By applying the techniques such as trap monitors and surveillance cameras we have developed through this pilot project, we aim to eliminate feral swine from two States every three to five years and stabilize feral swine damage within 10 years.”
Posted By: Kirk De

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/08/14 11:28 AM

Quote:
By applying the techniques such as trap monitors and surveillance cameras we have developed through this pilot project, we aim to eliminate feral swine from two States every three to five years and stabilize feral swine damage within 10 years.”

_________________________


I will have to save this quote. My understanding as to properties in different states, access, capability, and present technology is quite different to come up with such a statement. Especially in Texas, La., Alabama, Georgia, and the Carolina,s.

I forgot one of the hardest to access. FLORIDA

Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/08/14 12:11 PM

Kirk, it sounds an awful lot like the same old bull from them. Bold claims of development when truth be told they are stealing credit for what private industry developed. In this case Rod Pinkston of Jagerpro was the developer.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/08/14 02:01 PM

David,

We were using trap monitors from telonics and trail cameras long before rod started hitting conferences and talking about his methods. Telonics trap monitors and ATS trap monitors have been available for at least 10 years now and were developed for wolf and grizzly trapping for remote locations where flying in would be costly to check empty gear.

The trail cams obviously you know have been around a long time as well, with new added cellular benefit that can expand even greater what is happening.

When I got to NM in 2008 we were using trap monitors and trail cams in conjunction to allow a trapper to check a valley full of traps in about 5 minutes worth of dialing in the signals, this made things more efficient, more cost effective and more humane in terms of ability to trap check and remove quicker.
(Used cams and monitors in OR as well around 2005 onward...)

I saw him show his gear at one of many national feral swine conferences in a subsequent year, however most of it was focused on using the high tech infrared that the public can't actually mount on their rifles, though he did show as well the remote fired trap door (car door remote) and using a cam to see how many hogs were coming.

This was being used far earlier in the agency for a variety of wildlife species from pelicans on a beach to canon net to deer, hogs, coyotes and others...

Now, stating we can eliminate X hogs from X states in X years, to me is a very bold statement indeed, however the NM program I know well and they are indeed eliminating hogs on a system wide basis with amazing landowner support because folks don't want the hogs once they understand the damages.

I would agree and so should the undersecretary, that states like TX, CA, LA, FL and a few others who have had hogs since first settlements shouldn't be part of that equation.

He should have clarified in my opinion that states that have emerging hog issues but aren't completely covered up are the type of states where eradication can have the greatest impact and chance of success.

***

To be clear this wasn't a pro WS retort, just clarification that techniques that Rod and others use widely may be tweaked and slightly different, but in NM the those he mentions were developed on the ground by myself and another field employee who is still out there using them to great success. I say this not to toot a horn, but simply that no one poached this idea, it was organic due to available technology and a need.

We needed to know when we had the maximum amount of hogs coming so we could set pre-baited traps to take the entire sounder rather than running guillotine doors and catching singles and doubles, we always used large corral traps wherever physically possible to take the group thereby leaving the other hogs naive to the equipment, which as you know well is sound practice with any wildlife.

The other thing that we did indeed poach, was we talked to the New Zealand folks and I bought some transmitters that we ultimately got into the field on hogs to act as Judas pigs, one of the best eradication techniques in low density populations. This technique they are still using and it leads you to new populations, gives you a way to remove more hogs quicker and so forth.

Happy to admit I didn't invent that, but a great tool!

Again, not pro WS statement, just stating the facts in this case don't lead back to jager, though I do find his business model an awesome one
that I bet everyone wishes they could copy from a private industry standpoint. Great money maker!

smile

Justin
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/08/14 08:22 PM

I guess my reflex response would be: "Don't let anything get out of control in your area." And except for coyotes, I haven't!

I am ashamed to admit that coyotes are not something I have time for. A well-known friend of mine put it this way: "If you want a challenge, trap coyotes. If you want to make money, trap squirrels."

And to be honest, coyotes in our area must have taken some kind of a hit. ( Mange, perhaps ) I had really felt that by now we would have been inundated with calls. Maybe a handful a year and then nothing earth shaking. No pets killed. Too full of venison, I suppose.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/09/14 11:51 AM

http://www.usda.gov/oig/rptsauditsaphis.htm

USDA is being investigated.
Let the OIG know about the issues you are having with Wildlife Services.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/19/14 10:05 AM


Wow.
Money well spent! What a contract no wonder NYS is broke.
Last year USDA was Operating on a budget of $385,000(the amount of their contract) took out 36 wild boars at a cost of $10,694 per pig.

http://www.syracuse.com/outdoors/index.s...00_per_pig.html
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/20/14 12:03 PM

What a croc full. They have essentially protected an invasive specie in the name of "what works", at an outrageous cost to the public tax payer. Other monetary inflation soon to follow. Pure stupidity!
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/01/14 05:16 PM

I have a foia request response back from Wildlife Services. Is there a way I can post it on here?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/08/14 03:32 PM

I was recently interviewed by CBS regarding DEC'S 1.5 million dollar contract with USDA to control feral swine. So far the contact is costing NYS over 10k per pig. Where is your tax $'s and licence fees going?

The private sector can do it better than the federal government at a lower cost. This is an example of crony federalism. Our state is giving up it's rights and responsibility to manage and protect our wildlife at a great cost.

Here is a link to the story.

http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/features/...html?wap=0&
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/09/14 12:20 AM

Great post but don't you start worrying every time you see two guys with suits and sunglasses in a late model dark colored car?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/09/14 10:38 PM

Ha Ha, I know.........
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/09/14 11:08 PM

On the bright side, one of our Wisconsin representatives has introduced a bill to dissolve the ATF. Can the USDA be far behind?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/10/14 01:22 AM

There has actually been bills introduced to do the same. they didnt get very far. about as far as the ATF bill will get.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/28/14 04:36 PM

USDA Wildlife Services doing Pigeon Control

http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2014/07/usda-helps-rid-strasburg-of-pigeons.php
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/28/14 04:56 PM

Just had to read far enough down to see the city manager states bats are invasive species to know how much he understands wildlife issues......

Off topic and not your point I realize but very sick of seeing folks quoted who have no clue about basic things like native versus non native wildlife.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/01/14 03:27 PM



http://www.pntonline.com/2014/07/30/coyote-population-rise/
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/01/14 08:13 PM

Thanks, wildlifeus. This may sound incredibly stupid to most of you and not so much to some. The fact of the matter is, if I could

constantly catch rabbits in the summer, ( Like I can when there is snow on the ground ) and catch coyotes, instead of the dog that's

running loose, I could increase our earnings by probably 25 to 30 percent! ( Quite obviously, I have no question that in the 26 years

that we have been in business, this is the absolutely worst year for calls on both coyotes and cottontails )
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/04/14 02:03 PM

The government can solve all of our problems.

http://www.starherald.com/news/local_new...22fcfcfd1b.html
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/10/14 03:57 AM

What sometimes rankles me is that the government's customers would rather sell out for the government guys to do the work. There is saving money by paying less, but then there is selling out your neighbor by hiring the Feds. Perhaps one day we will have federal plumbers.
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/10/14 08:02 PM

Our company covers Milwaukee county and the the two counties immediately north ( Ozaukee and Washington ) and the county directly

west, Waukesha. If I have ever read or heard of Federal wildlife control in these areas, I've apparently missed it. If there is

anything going on in my area that you know about, please tell me. Or better yet, tell me where to look so I can monitor it myself.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/25/14 09:11 AM

Notice of Availability - Decision for the Environmental Assessment: Marsh Restoration and Nutria Damage Reduction
08/20/2014
The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), Wildlife Services (WS) program has issued a Decision and Finding of No Significant Impact (FONSI) for an Environmental Assessment (EA): MARSH RESTORATION AND NUTRIA DAMAGE REDUCTION that evaluated potential impacts to the quality of the human environment from the implementation of a nutria damage management program. The EA analyzed the potential environmental impacts of alternatives for WS and the USFWS involvement in nutria damage management in Maryland and Delaware. A Decision and FONSI was issued on August 14, 2014 selecting to implement the proposed action alternative. Based on the analyses contained in the EA and the associated Decision/FONSI, it was concluded that implementation of the proposed action alternative would not have a significant impact upon the quality of the human environment. You can view the EA and the Decision/FONSI on the APHIS webpage by clicking here. If you would like a copy of the EA and/or the Decision sent to you by mail, please submit a written request to USDA/APHIS/Wildlife Services, 1568 Whitehall Road, Annapolis, MD 21409, or send a request by facsimile to (410) 349-8258. When submitting a request by mail or by fax, please include a mailing address.
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/26/14 12:43 PM

Of course they found no significant impact. Why would they? Or, Why would they find that what they are involved with takes away from the American public by taking away tax paying jobs from tax paying companies? Why would they find that using our taxes to provide overpriced and often inefficient/incompetent services hurt the American tax payers? Why won't they look at the overal negative effects of their agency with all the combined services they do, that private industry can do and does better, including NEPA and FONSIs, and EAs and EIS? This to me, is just the Feds selling out our nation and our people.

Do you have a plan for changing this FONSI? What can I do to help? Bill clay already know what i think of him and his criminal agency.
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 08/26/14 12:56 PM

p.s. Thanks wildlifeus for bringing this critical information to light. The amount of taxpayer dollars spent by the Feds that should be earned by the private sector is very significant. In nv alone millions of tax payer dollars are spent 'tax deferred' by ws to poorly provide the services my company and several other companies in nv provide. What that means is rural jobs are lost because the Feds claim to be doing them. Additionally tax revenues are also lost, including city, county, state and federal taxes that our for profit companies pay, or would pay.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/06/14 11:26 AM

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wps/portal/ban.../SA_Feral_Swine
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/11/14 09:08 PM



Notice of Availability: Decision and FONSI for the EA "Managing Damage to Resources and Threats to Human Health and Safety Caused by Birds in the Commonwealth of Virginia"
11/07/2014
The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), Wildlife Services (WS) program has issued a Decision and Finding of No Significant Impact (FONSI) for an Environmental Assessment (EA): Managing Damage to Resources and Threats to Human Health and Safety Caused by Birds in the Commonwealth of Virginia that evaluated potential impacts to the quality of the human environment from the implementation of a bird damage management program. A Decision and FONSI was issued on November 5, 2014 selecting to implement the proposed action alternative. Based on the analyses contained in the EA and the associated Decision/FONSI, it was concluded that continued implementation of the proposed action alternative would not have a significant impact upon the quality of the human environment. You can view the EA and the Decision/FONSI on the APHIS webpage by clicking here. If you would like a copy of the EA and/or the Decision sent to you by mail, please submit a written request to USDA/APHIS/WS, P.O. Box 130, Moseley, VA 23120, or send a request by facsimile to (804) 739-7738. When submitting a request by mail or by fax, please include a mailing address.
Notice of Availability for Public Comment-North Carolina Aquatic Rodent Environmental Assessment
11/07/2014
Notice of Availability for Public Comment
Environmental Assessment: Aquatic Rodent Damage Management in North Carolina


The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), Wildlife Services (WS) program would like to invite you to participate in the development of an Environmental Assessment (EA) addressing damage and threats caused by beaver, muskrats, and nutria in North Carolina. The need for action identifies damage to agricultural resources, property, natural resources, and threats to human safety associated with beaver, muskrats, and nutria in the State. A number of issues and concerns were identified through the scoping process and through consultation with state and federal agencies that were used to develop alternative approaches to address the need for action. The EA analyzes potential environmental effects of conducting alternative strategies to reduce damage associated with beaver, muskrats, and nutria. WS is seeking review and comments on the EA from interested parties as part of the scoping process to identify additional issues and alternatives.

To receive a copy of the EA for review and comment, please send a written request to USDA/APHIS/WS, 6213 Angus Drive, Suite E, Raleigh, North Carolina 27617 or by sending a request by facsimile to (919) 782-4159. You can also review the EA on the APHIS webpage by clicking here. WS requests that you send all comments on the EA to the address listed or to the facsimile number listed. Please include your name and mailing address in the comments. When sending comments by facsimile, please send a copy of your comments by mail to the address listed to ensure WS receives a complete copy of your comments. To receive full consideration, WS must receive all comments by the close of business on December 19, 2014. All comments received, including the names and addresses of those people who comment, will be part of the public record and will be released for public review as required and allowed by law.


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Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/02/14 08:54 PM

This is a clear example of USDA violating their own directives.
http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/article/...-gump-residents
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/03/14 01:53 PM

Is USDA Wildlife Services following your State regulations?
They are not exempt from State regulations unless it specifically states that they are exempt.

Please check you State Laws to find out.

For example in TN they are in clear violation of the State Laws
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/03/14 02:46 PM

Cody,

It would probably help your reader if you expressly state what law is being broken.

Also how you know that they don't have an exemption.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/05/14 02:06 AM

https://www.tn.gov/sos/rules/1660/1660-01/1660-01-21.pdf

The first p
Posted By: Longuner

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/06/14 09:46 PM

Well 2a lists USDA as an authoritative agency, so I believe that means as such they are exempt from needing a permit!
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/07/14 04:19 PM

USDA is a Department of the Federal Government. The agency, Wildlife Services, is not directly mentioned, nor does WS have any authority over any regulations other than that of itself... I agree with wildlifeus. I believe WS is in violation of the permit requirements and may also be violating their own Competition regulations.

It amazes me how people would support these examples violations involving commerce, and often inter state commerce. Our system of government is surely breaking in this instance.
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/07/14 04:28 PM

Check this out!

http://agri.nv.gov/Protection/Resource_Protection/The_Trapline_Newsletter/

Vague. All that value protected...???

Why can't that much value invest a little in private WCO industry to support itself? Wy does that much value need the Federal government to provide wildlife control operations?

Perhaps all those welfare ranchers turn out to be a bunch of incapable businessmen. They should get out of the business of ag production or go broke.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/10/14 03:22 PM

The Business Coalition for Fair Competition (BCFC) seeks your input to highlight examples of where a Federal, state, local government agency, or governmental regulation/policy creates an unlevel playing field for entrepreneurs in the private sector when an agency, university or non-profit performs a commercially available activity (good or service), and therefore is in direct competition with a private sector business. In January of this year, BCFC released the "2013 Top 10 List" of the most egregious examples of where the government duplicates and competes with the private sector, including small business.

Next month (January 2015), we are planning to release an updated list from 2014.

Please send your example(s) to BCFC's John "JB" Byrd. Within your submission, make sure to include any documentation (PDF, weblink, media coverage, etc.) about each instance.

We are also seeking examples of where a Federal government agency activity, announcement, or policy promoted contracting out, public-private partnerships (P3s) or privatization of an activity previously performed in-house by the respective Federal agency.

Again, please send your example(s) of Federal success stories to John "JB" Byrd.

The BCFC deadline for your submission is Friday, December 19.

Sincerely,

John M. Palatiello, President
Business Coalition for Fair Competition (BCFC)


Click here for more info;
http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/...3b-d4ae527557ea
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/12/14 03:44 PM

I can remember if I posted this USDA WS story;
http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/features/paid/stories/you-paid-pricey-pigs-111.shtml
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/14/14 05:53 PM

http://www.13wham.com/news/features/top-...430.shtml?wap=0

Crow work anyone?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/15/14 01:07 PM

Notice of Availability of a Draft Environmental Impact Statement Addressing Alternatives for a National Feral Swine Damage Management Program
12/10/2014
Dear Stakeholder,
I want to make you aware that the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) has just released its Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) evaluating strategies to manage increasing damages and threats associated with expanding populations of feral swine. Feral swine damage addressed in the DEIS includes damage to agriculture, natural and cultural resources, property, and human health and safety in the United States and its territories wherever feral swine are found. The DEIS is available for public review at http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife-damage/fseis.

APHIS is proposing to lead a collaborative, national management program to reduce feral swine damage. Although WS and its cooperators already manage damage in local areas, an Environmental Impact Statement was needed to evaluate the potential impacts to the environment that might result from various national strategies to manage increasing feral swine damage, consistent with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA).

We used scoping early in the NEPA process to involve cooperating agencies, the general public, Tribal governments, APHIS stakeholders, and minority and historically underserved communities to help identify alternatives and issues to evaluate in the DEIS. Many agencies have cooperated with APHIS on the analysis: USDA’s Forest Service; the U.S. Department of the Interior’s (USDI) Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service, and National Invasive Species Council; the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies; and the National Association of State Departments of Agriculture. The USDI’s Fish and Wildlife Service and USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service also participated in preparing the DEIS.
The DEIS considers five alternatives, all of which incorporate State, Territorial and Tribal goals for managing feral swine. All but the current program would be nationally coordinated.

1) No change from current APHIS research and feral swine damage management operations.

2) An integrated, multi-pronged APHIS response that combines a baseline operational damage management capacity in states with feral swine, and national and strategic local projects that help to contain and eradicate feral swine populations. (Preferred Alternative)

3) Improving the baseline operational capacity for feral swine damage management of all WS state programs based on feral swine populations and maximizing cost-share opportunities for operational management with partners and cooperators.

4) Establish and augment national APHIS management projects and strategic local projects, selected for their ability to help achieve national goals of containing and eradicating feral swine populations without establishing or increasing baseline capacity in all states and territories with feral swine.

5) A federal grant program.

The Preferred Alternative in the DEIS, Alternative 2, would implement a nationally coordinated, integrated feral swine damage management program in partnership with Federal, State, Territorial, and Tribal agencies. It would allocate resources to WS programs serving States and Territories with feral swine populations to improve baseline operational capacity for feral swine damage management and provide cost-share opportunities. Additional resources would be strategically allocated to meet the national objective of reducing the range and size of the feral swine population in the United States and protecting specific vulnerable resources (e.g., threatened and endangered species).. The preferred alternative would also include a national component to emphasize research, monitoring, education and other coordinated support actions.
The DEIS and instructions on how to submit public comments can be found on the APHIS feral swine EIS webpage noted above, or by visiting http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife-damage/feral-swine and clicking on the feral swine EIS link. The public comment period will be open for 45 days after the Environmental Protection Agency publishes a Notice of Availability in the Federal Register. We anticipate that the Federal Register notice will be published on December 19, 2014. Once the Notice of Availability is published, we will post the closing date of the comment period on the APHIS feral swine EIS webpage.

We will accept comments on the DEIS by either of these two methods:
Federal eRulemaking Portal: Go to http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;D=APHIS-2013-0031
Postal Mail/Commercial Delivery: Please send your comment to Project Managers, Feral Swine EIS, USDA APHIS-WS, 732 Lois Drive, Sun Prairie, WI 53590.

For further information, please contact Dr. Kimberly Wagner, Staff Wildlife Biologist, Wildlife Services, APHIS, 732 Lois Drive, Sun Prairie, WI 53590; (608) 837-2727.
We appreciate your interest in APHIS’ feral swine damage management program.
Sincerely,

William H. Clay
Deputy Administrator
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/30/14 03:53 PM

Are NWCOS being considered for this work?

Opportunity for Public Comment-Bird Damage Management in Tennessee Environmental Assessment
12/23/2014
Notice of Availability for Public Comment
Environmental Assessment: Bird Damage Management in Tennessee


The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), Wildlife Services (WS) program, in cooperation with the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), would like to invite you to participate in the development of an Environmental Assessment (EA) addressing damage and threats caused by bird species in Tennessee. The need for action identifies damage to agricultural resources, property, natural resources, and threats to human safety associated with several bird species in the State, including bird damage occurring on properties owned or managed by the TVA. A number of issues and concerns were identified through the scoping process and through consultation with state and federal agencies that were used to develop alternative approaches to address the need for action. The EA analyzes potential environmental effects of conducting alternative strategies to reduce damage associated with birds. WS and the TVA are seeking review and comments on the EA from interested parties as part of the scoping process to identify additional concerns, issues, and alternatives.

To receive a copy of the EA for review and comment, please send a written request to USDA/APHIS/WS, 537 Myatt Drive, Madison, Tennessee 37115 or by sending a request by facsimile to (615) 736-2768. You can also review the EA on the APHIS webpage by clicking here. WS and the TVA request that you send all comments on the EA to the address listed or to the facsimile number listed. Please include your name and mailing address in the comments. When sending comments by facsimile, please send a copy of your comments by mail to the address listed to ensure WS and the TVA receive a complete copy of your comments. To receive full consideration, WS and the TVA must receive all comments by the close of business on January 30, 2015. All comments received, including the names and addresses of those people who comment, will be part of the public record and will be released for public review as required and allowed by law.
Opportunity for Public Comment-Bird Damage Management in Kentucky Environmental Assessment
12/23/2014
Notice of Availability for Public Comment
Environmental Assessment: Bird Damage Management in Kentucky


The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), Wildlife Services (WS) program, in cooperation with the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), would like to invite you to participate in the development of an Environmental Assessment (EA) addressing damage and threats caused by bird species in Kentucky. The need for action identifies damage to agricultural resources, property, natural resources, and threats to human safety associated with several bird species in the Commonwealth, including bird damage occurring on properties owned or managed by the TVA. A number of issues and concerns were identified through the scoping process and through consultation with state and federal agencies that were used to develop alternative approaches to address the need for action. The EA analyzes potential environmental effects of conducting alternative strategies to reduce damage associated with birds. WS and the TVA are seeking review and comments on the EA from interested parties as part of the scoping process to identify additional concerns, issues, and alternatives.

To receive a copy of the EA for review and comment, please send a written request to USDA/APHIS/WS, 537 Myatt Drive, Madison, Tennessee 37115 or by sending a request by facsimile to (615) 736-2768. You can also review the EA on the APHIS webpage by clicking here. WS and the TVA request that you send all comments on the EA to the address listed or to the facsimile number listed. Please include your name and mailing address in the comments. When sending comments by facsimile, please send a copy of your comments by mail to the address listed to ensure WS and the TVA receive a complete copy of your comments. To receive full consideration, WS and the TVA must receive all comments by the close of business on January 30, 2015. All comments received, including the names and addresses of those people who comment, will be part of the public record and will be released for public review as required and allowed by law.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/05/15 10:47 AM

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story...otest/21232791/
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/14/15 07:37 PM

USDA Wildlife Services unfair competition makes nationwide top ten list:

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/...3b-d4ae527557ea
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/14/15 08:17 PM

After losing only 5.5 billion dollars delivering the mail, the U.S. postal service has a plan for delivering groceries. Those of you

who can get away with cheating on your taxes have my admiration.
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/15/15 12:11 AM

The dumbest expenditure of money are the places we pick to go to war. Afghanistan is a shining example. I'm not real sure how much an

acre of land sells for over there but I'm pretty sure we could have bought the entire country and still had money left over.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/19/15 11:40 AM

Wa WS is one of the most anti NWCO of the agency.

http://www.bothell-reporter.com/news/288624301.html?mobile=true
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/19/15 04:23 PM

Some free advertising, with no mention of private sector companies......

http://augustafreepress.com/livestock-producers-say-coyote-control-program-essential/
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/01/15 12:34 AM

wildlifeus, here you go. NWCOA & NPMA Wildlife Expo 2015 Myrtle Beach, South Carolina... February 5th at 12noon.

USDA Wildlife Service: Developing Relationships with the Industry: Speaker is Martin Lowney, APHIS-USDA

I gotta admit that this is one program that I wish I was going to hear.
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/03/15 09:49 PM

Just don't wear a skirt cause there is going to be lots of hot air blowing up your legs from WS.

I'd even duct tape my pant legs down... Make that Gorilla Tape.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/05/15 11:49 AM

$4,600 per wolf. Yes of course the government is more effective and efficient than the private sector.
Tax payers $ going up in smoke.

http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2015/feb/03/new-idaho-board-has-spent-140k-kill-31-wolves/

I guess it's better than the $10000 per pig in NY.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/05/15 11:50 AM

Paul, He is the biggest advocate of destroying the private sector.. Hot air.
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/10/15 05:15 PM

Here's an email making the rounds in modern media (see below).... They (making over $100,000 yr net profit)think many of us are excessively profiteering from the public's wildlife. I guess they don't understand the protection of private property or the benefits of company's paying taxes and licensing fees. What! and they think they WS are forcing "cities" to work with exceedingly high priced companies. What about other lower priced companies? What about the regulatory costs companies (Not WS) are required to abide by/pay for, like following the laws of the state, feds, and the cities' own regulations? What about quality of service??? With the mentality of current managers demonstrated below we are eventually going to end up with government plumbers and government farmers and government (insert any profession here)... I have not seen quality services provided by the feds to make this a comfortable scenario. Oh, and competing with private companies in urban areas such as "cities" is in violation of WS policy and their depression era regulations. I hope WS would make itself more affable to the private WCO industry; that they would operate under the same legalities all other WCO companies are required to. They would likely file bankruptcy in the first year.




From: Brown, Charles S (APHIS)
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011
To: Clay, William H (APHIS)
Subject: Competition and Federal Funding Issues


Bill,


Before we start down the road of deciding what activities to continue and what we
should stop due to funding, we need to separate the activities by funding source. The
goal is to cut Federal spending. In the Eastern Region, essentially all of the activities
you listed (except wildlife disease work) are 100% funded with cooperative
dollars. Eliminating these services will not save any Federal funds. Second, we do not
have any policy or MOU that says we will not compete with the private sector. This has
been done intentionally and with great forethought. As we have discussed in the past,
most Federal agencies compete with the private sector (Postal Service, Forest Service,
NRCS, Corp of Engineers, FWS, BLM, even DoD now that private contractors like
Blackwater will “fight for hire”). (name removed) charges are very high, so cities do not
want to work with him. Since wildlife is held in public trust, we should not force cities
and others to use companies that are excessively profiteering off of the publics’
wildlife. This has been our position for many years and should not change now.


If we are going to eliminate programs to save Federal funds, then we need to look at the
programs that are funded with Federal dollars like our western aerial hunting programs,
Cedar City facility, cost-shared predator control programs, wildlife disease programs,
emergency response programs and infrastructure like our Fort Collins and
Headquarters IT staffs, Fort Collins wildlife disease program staff, NEPA staff, etc.


I look forward to the discussion tomorrow.


Charlie


Charles S. Brown
Eastern Regional Director
USDA-APHIS-Wildlife Services
920 Main Campus Drive
Suite 200
Raleigh, NC 27606
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/10/15 06:41 PM

A stanza from an old song comes to mind: "He's a clown, that Charlie Brown"
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/10/15 01:31 PM

USDA to Hold National Wildlife Services Advisory Committee Meeting
03/02/2015
USDA to Hold National Wildlife Services Advisory Committee Meeting
WASHINGTON, March 2, 2015--The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) will hold a meeting of the National Wildlife Services Advisory Committee (NWSAC) from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., March 17-19, in Riverdale, Maryland.

The three-day meeting will discuss efforts to increase operational capacity through prioritizing research objectives of APHIS’ wildlife services (WS) program. Additionally, the committee will discuss pertinent national programs and how to increase their effectiveness, as well as ensuring WS remains an active participant in the goal of agricultural protection.

The meeting will be open to the public but, due to time constraints, the public cannot participate in discussions. Any interested group or individual can file a written statement with the committee before or after the meeting regarding any of the issues discussed. Written statements also can be filed at the meeting.

The NWSAC, which is comprised of stakeholders from diverse interests including agriculture and animal welfare, advises the secretary of agriculture on WS program activities, research and policies. WS is responsible for managing wildlife damage conflicts, preventing wildlife damage to agriculture and natural resources and protecting communities from wildlife threats. The committee also serves as a public forum, enabling those interested in the WS program to have a voice in the program’s policies.

The meeting will take place in the Oklahoma City Memorial Conference Center at the headquarters of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, 4700 River Road, Riverdale, Maryland. This site is approximately one-half mile from the College Park Metro Station. Public parking is also available. Visitors must show a current government-issued identification card at check-in at the Security Deck. No cameras are allowed.

For more information or to file comments, contact Joanne Garrett, director, operational support staff, USDA, APHIS, WS, 4700 River Road, Unit 87, Riverdale, Md. 20737-1234 or call (301) 851-4009. Submitted written statements should refer to Docket No. APHIS-2015-0022.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/21/15 05:56 PM

NWCOA,
Can you Help stop this direct funding of USDA?

http://www.capitalpress.com/Oregon/20150420/oregon-bill-proposes-predator-control-districts
Posted By: Paul Winkelmann

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/21/15 07:43 PM

You should probably go on the NWCOA site to ask that question. I don't think there are a too many of the NWCOAN leaders on here.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/21/15 08:53 PM

Pretty sure it was more about having everyone here see it versus asking nwcoa for help, other than to "publicly" ask. Cody should surely know nwcoa's contact info.

Politics....
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/22/15 02:24 AM

Well, I've seen it and it's a legitimate question, in a legitimate forum. And the answer, if any, that NWCOA members may give would be that he could become a member (a.k.a. pay money), go to the meetings (a.k.a. pay more money and time), and try to ask the board to table it for discussion ( a maybe).

All that work for a maybe? I'm sure that those of us who manage for profit business would see this answer as not a good investment of time or money.

Perhaps a more public stance on issues like the above would be appropriate for NWCOA. Or not. After all, it's their political group.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/22/15 02:09 PM

Thanks NV.

HD yes I happen to know their contact info but thanks for the advice.......
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/22/15 02:46 PM

NV Man,

I think you might miss the point. If I wanted an association that I don't belong to to respond to a request I have for help, I'd likely wrote them, call them or email them directly.

You erroneously assume that NWCOA isn't willing to look into important issues facing the industry, rather seem to find it a good time to make your statement that you don't feel a need to belong or pay to belong to an organization like this one.

That is certainly your business but what is logical is that if you want an association to respond you should go straight to them.

If I belong to the state trappers association or the cattle growers association I don't go online and look or a random forum to post on, I go to them directly and ask for help.

Cody and everyone else in this industry knows how to find them and ask them a question so they can respond.

It's not about money, this is about politics and showboating not about asking them truly for help or it wouldn't be posted here.

You decided to change the thread to discuss membership from your perspective when membership was never brought up.

Odd?

Why not ask Cody why he didn't call or email NWCOA and them post the response he got from them here for all to see?

Being for profit business people doesn't mean anything related to this question. This is a question that is valid but simply put isn't being provided to the organization in a simple manner where it can be answered to the poster.

Again politics, nothing more.
Posted By: NV man

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/23/15 05:09 AM

HD,

The point? I was just responding to your post about it being political. I understand you would do it differently.

The scenario I gave was very similar to an actual conversation I had with someone from NWCOA. But because I don't wish to betray confidences I won't post that on this forum, or any other for that matter.

You are wrong to assume, that I assume NWCOA isn't willing to "look into important issues facing the industry". I have little idea what they are willing to look into... Because of this, you are currently correct, I "don't feel a need to belong or pay to belong to an organization like this one."

Careful with logic it might hurt. I don't belong to NWCOA. I operate a WCO business, and pay taxes in NV.

I encourage NWCOA to be more public in "looking into important issues facing the industry". How would you go about doing that? Your money, more of your money and time, and then maybe they will table it for a discussion for you??? Being more public may help garner support for the issues NWCOA is concerned with. For instance if NWCOA showed they were concerned with the funding for WS and the lack of support for private WCO's, I assume the question would probably not have been brought up on this forum.

Again you're wrong, I did not change the thread. I was looking at it from a cost/benefit viewpoint, guided by experience, I am certainly interested if NWCOA would take a public stance and help private industry.

Your may be right, NWCOA may have a bit of difficulty responding to the question in this forum? But then again maybe not, I'm not sure how NWCOA operates.

I didn't ask Cody, because from my experience there was no need for me to. Why don't you? wait you seem to already know, never mind.

Finally, I agree with you to some extent on politics, but mostly I disagree! I would expand to, it's politics because politicians are trying to fund a federal agency with state and local taxes. The same politics that hinder private WCO's, and unevenly supports a federal agency that openly competes with private industry. This has everything to do with for profit business people, especially those in the WCO industry. Additionally, I did not realize this forum (trapperman) had political standing so I'm not sure how anything said on this forum would be construed as politics. Debate, informative, social yes; politics not so much.

Here in NV when politics give WS money you can bet I will be there to help stop such fraudulent activity. I've already been successful. Would you like that story? A story of legal violations and funding for WS that was stopped, cold turkey. I wouldn't mind posting it on this forum because after all it is all public information. Additionally, it might show others who are concerned with important issues facing the industry how to stop funding to WS.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/29/16 05:43 PM

Help stop usda from taking work from NWCOs.
By responding to this sources sought notice you can.
Remember try to keep your prices low as your going against USDA WS.

http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2016/07-July/29-Jul-2016/FBO-04199113.htm

I dosnt matter what state your from this is just a market research request.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/29/16 06:17 PM

Pigeon Control Work in NE.

http://www.knopnews2.com/content/news/North-Platte-controlling--401561856.html
Posted By: KSlongliner

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/02/16 12:38 PM

I can understand the hostility between private and gov parties becuase of certain things that have happened. That being said..... Some of us are working to strengthen trapping as a whole through state associations even though we may work for the govt. some of us don't forget we're we came from.
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/03/16 11:06 PM

I read the North Platte link where the city administrator stated, "The program works in a humane matter, simple capturing the pigeons, and releasing them in a different location."
I doubt that the administrator knows what he is talking about, as I find it hard to believe that the USDA would release an invasive species, especially considering that pigeons have an innate ability to travel extreme distances to return home.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/08/16 10:58 AM

I didn't catch that. That is funny. Or maybe job security??
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/08/16 10:58 AM

Very true.
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/10/16 01:57 AM

City administrators are not known for being well versed in matters involving wildlife, and are motivated by PR when making statements to the public. I am guessing that this particular administrator is confused and isn't very good at his job. Bless his heart.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/20/17 01:37 AM

They make us all look bad. Time to shut them
down.

http://komonews.com/news/nation-world/fe...-dog-03-17-2017
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/20/17 10:44 AM

Role debated

http://www.agweek.com/news/nation-and-world/4234950-role-usda-wildlife-services-debated
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/08/17 09:42 PM

Effective hog control? Or a waist of tax payers money? This method even contradicts their own recommendations!!!

http://www.swoknews.com/local/feral-hog-control-operation-close-parts-wildlife-refuge-today
Posted By: Aix sponsa

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/09/17 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
Effective hog control? Or a waist of tax payers money? This method even contradicts their own recommendations!!!

http://www.swoknews.com/local/feral-hog-control-operation-close-parts-wildlife-refuge-today



I've seen results of aerial gunning hogs firsthand, and I can tell you the shoot the heck out of hogs. I think it's a good way to manage them in certain locations.
Posted By: AirportTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/09/17 02:16 PM

Aerial gunning is very effective.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/09/17 04:20 PM

When trying to remove a massively reproductive invasive species you look at all the tools on the table.

Where habitat and terrain allows, aerial operations are without a doubt the quickest way to achieve the greatest
drop in invasive feral swine numbers.

When I was still with the agency we utilized judas hogs, in conjunction with corral trapping, making aerial hunting even
more effective in our state where density and distance between populations was greater than it is in many states that
are currently overrun by this top notch invader.

Factually the best example of a successful operation that removed feral hogs rapidly utilizing multiple methods in a coordinated
campaign was done by "pro hunt" now going by "native range." These folks are out of NZ and perform large scale projects on a
variety of levels. I remember seeing this talk at a national hog conference back then, very impressive work, not cheap, but they
were basically agreeing to a price up front and thus if they finished early, they kept more income.

Since I know "wildlifeus" (cody) is interested in talking about private versus govt. work and removing WS from the equation, here
is an example of feral hog control done by a private entity for more funds than I've seen spent on any single project in the continental
United States for them.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006320709004935

I had the pleasure of pursuing this invasive species in multiple states and most of my time here in NM when still a fed was coordinating
a program that is now close to achieving their complete eradication utilizing some of the most innovative methods available for detection
of remaining populations currently.

Have seen folks try to shoot their way out using hunters and dogs (takes hogs but scatters hogs all over and onto property without access
leaving refuges along the way for them to hold up and repopulate before returning.

Trapping with corral traps and repeating doors takes large numbers, and when used with remote monitoring systems is a great way to extend
funds though initial investment is high.

Flying into a valley or over a drainage and being able to remove an entire sounder of 30-40+ hogs in moments is by far the most efficient way
if you have the numbers to not have you covering too much ground to find them, or have judas hogs to track on to enable detection.

I get that you argue for the private industry that I'm a part of and that WS (my former shop) isn't needed, but with hogs and aerial hunting I'd probably
avoid talking about a waste of funds when it is absolutely effective and against an invader that is one of the worst ecological disasters ever released by
humans on the landscape.
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/10/17 01:06 AM

Well said HD. Delivered is such a way that any reasonable, thinking person can understand...
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/15/17 12:10 PM

https://outerbanksvoice.com/2017/11/13/f...ck-outer-banks/
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/18/17 02:46 AM


Thank you for the post wildlifeus. Sounds like the state of North Carolina has a handle on what it will take to eradicate these horribly damaging swine. I commend you for bringing this cold hard fact to our attention.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/20/17 02:39 PM

$28,000 for pigeon control. This contract violates USDA WS memorandum with NPMA

http://www.wxow.com/story/37094363/2017/...geon-population
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/20/17 03:44 PM

I don’t remember the Memorandum saying they couldn’t
perform pigeon control, just that they were supposed to ask
clients if they’ve called private companies to try to resolve first.

Also didn’t the MOU expire quite some time ago?

I’ve physically listened to supervisors in my old office telling
people emphatically they had to go with private first including
large contracts.

I’ve also seen them be told they did go with private, 2-3 companies
and they were not satisfied with results.

Is there a link showing the MOU is still in force? Don’t you have
to be a member of NPMA for the MOU to work for you? (so nwcos
who don’t belong to NPMA wouldn’t be covered)?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/28/17 06:59 PM

20k for rodent work.

http://theprowersjournal.com/2017/12/troy-manor-motel-eyed-for-demolition/

They haven't signed yet so there may still be time for a local NWCO to get their hat in the game.

Either way here is clear evidence that USDA is competing against all of us.
Posted By: TRapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/29/17 03:08 AM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
$28,000 for pigeon control. This contract violates USDA WS memorandum with NPMA

http://www.wxow.com/story/37094363/2017/...geon-population


Yep it is against me for sure...we did a small netting job in la crosse back in earlybaugust
Posted By: trprsam

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/12/18 12:13 AM

WS out of beaver game in Oregon SStatesman Journal
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/12/18 01:42 AM

Sam, did you read that article in the Statesman Journal which you included in your post?
Do you know that salmon require cool, flowing water for their eggs to hatch? Does that sound like something that a beaver pond would provide?
Do you know that spawning salmon do not feed, therefore making the "providing food for fish" a moot point?
In your wildest dreams, would you expect placing a culvert pipe under a beaver dam would solve a beaver nuisance problem?
How many trees would need to be protected by tree guards to solve a beaver problem?
With the suspension of Wildlife Services activities, and with all of these "inciteful alternative" suggestions by an organization which has shown little in the way of evidence that any of them have ever been outside, let alone ever spent any time in a beaver swamp, do you think that you now have a shot at some nuisance beaver work for the state of Oregon?



Posted By: trprsam

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/12/18 02:30 AM

That has long been one of the arguments against beaver trapping in Oregon(and other places, presumably), that without ponds created by beaver, young salmon and steelhead have no rearing ponds and calm waters to grow up in. It may have some validity in the coastal mountain streams draining to the Pacific Ocean. I dont know all the places WS does beaver trapping in Oregon, but I do know a lot of it is done in the Willamette Valley on farms, private ponds and lakes, and "Urban Waterways", i.e. sloughy creeks that run through a lot of towns around here.

Salmon and steelhead face many problems on the West Coast, I am not sure if this is in the top ten. But is is an angle that various anti trapping orgs have been trying to use for a long time. I already get quite a bit of beaver work here and I'm not sure how this will affect guys like me int the future, but I will be watching it for sure. In the short term it might help private guys get more work. Long term? Who knows. I know this thread is about keeping ADC work private, but a govt. agency that does trapping can be an ally in the fight to keep trapping rights. Oregon has by far the most "liberal" trapping laws on the West Coast, so we are a target for sure. We will see how it plays out.
Maybe Justin could weigh in, this area is his old stomping grounds, I believe.
Posted By: DezertTrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/20/18 03:14 AM

Question. Why does the article state that M44's are used? I've never heard of that for beavers?
Posted By: trprsam

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/21/18 10:00 PM

Lol. Bad info in a newspaper article. Who'd a think it? Assuming they meant WS uses m44 for coyotes.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/08/18 07:57 PM

More beaver work for USDA

https://www.greenecountyheraldonline.com/2018/02/08/new-contract-aimed-at-lessening-beaver-problem/
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/09/18 01:15 AM

Wonder why this work wasn't bid out. My understanding is that USDA cannot participate in a bidding situation.
Posted By: Trapper Don

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/21/18 03:23 PM

USDA does backdoor contracting with Local State and Federal Gov. Your right that USDA cannot take part in bidding. That's why the backdoor is used.
Of course they don't call it "contracts". Their term is "Cooperator Service Agreements" According to several lawyers I have dealt with on this, it means Contract.
Just political double talk.
Don LaFountain
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/10/18 10:36 AM

Dear NYSWMA Members,

I have very troubling news; a once positive bill in the New York Assembly and Senate has taken a turn in the wrong direction. The original intent of the bill was good. But now they have excluded private wildlife professionals and academic institutions from qualifying as “certified nuisance wildlife specialists. Even though many of us (over 2000) have been tested and licensed by the DEC to control nuisance wildlife.

Here is the language in the assembly bill that is most troubling; It will eliminate our ability to do certain nuisance wildlife work and give USDA Wildlife Services even more leverage to compete against us. It will also restrict cities, towns, airports, and private citizens to choosing only one service provider(USDA Wildlife Services).

Assembly Bill # 8646B
“ 3 § 11-0522. Cull permits to certified nuisance wildlife specialists.
4 1. For the purposes of this section, "certified nuisance wildlife
5 specialist" shall mean an employee of the federal or state government or
6 any city, town, village or county, responsible for wildlife management
7 and acting pursuant to a wildlife management plan, who complies with the
8 criteria established by the department, in rules and regulations, that
9 at a minimum require……….”

Here is a link to the complete text: http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default...r%26nbspVotes=Y

We need you to call the Assembly bill sponsor Assemblywoman Pamela J. Hunter and tell her how this bill will negatively affect your ability to operate, and allow USDA Wildlife Services a monopoly on providing nuisance wildlife services.

Please call her Albany Office at; 518-455-5383 and her District office at; 315-449-9536

We still support the bill in the senate as it was originally voted on, however on Monday Senator John A. DeFrancisco will be submitting a new bill to align with the assembly. It is vital that he knows our concerns and does not put in language that eliminates us from providing nuisance wildlife services or restricting activity to Government Employees like the assembly bill does.

Please Call his Albany office at (518) 455-3511
And his District office at (315) 428-7632

Also please call your local Assemblyman and Senator and ask them to help amend or stop these bad bills.

It is vital that we come together as an industry to protect our rights, our business, our employees, and most of all the ability to prove professional and ethical nuisance wildlife mitigation.
Please make sure you take the time to call on MONDAY, Tuesday may be too late.

Please call your friend and share this email with them. Their voice is needed too.

Thank you for your help, understanding, support, and for being a member of NYSWMA. If you have any questions please call my cell# 607-760-8748
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/11/18 01:07 AM

"Cull permits". I am assuming they are referring to white-tailed deer culling?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/21/18 12:07 PM

http://cnycentral.com/news/local/residents-on-oneida-lake-upset-after-wildlife-officials-mute-swans

Swans
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/21/18 12:07 PM

Deer and Coyote
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/21/18 05:50 PM

Geese
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/38471533/s...sion-euthanized
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/22/18 03:35 AM

Deer, coyote, mute swans, resident Canada geese. What's the problem? People call USDA when they can't find anyone else who can/will do it in a professional manner.
Posted By: NE Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/22/18 01:32 PM

52carl that is not the case at all, there are plenty of companies that can take on contracts
That fish and wildlife have sucked up and the general public aren't allowed to even bid on.
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/23/18 01:40 AM

Originally Posted By: NE Wildlife
52carl that is not the case at all, there are plenty of companies that can take on contracts
That fish and wildlife have sucked up and the general public aren't allowed to even bid on.

If there are private companies which can take on capturing large flocks of Canada geese, trapping coyotes, and doing deer culling, but are not in on the bidding for the work, then those companies are not applying themselves fully.
All they have to do to shut out USDA from the process is to force the institution into advertising a bid for the work. USDA cannot bid on work.
Posted By: HD_Wildlife

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/23/18 05:42 AM

Won't linger on this topic for more than a moment, a point of clarity "fish and wildlife" would typically mean US Fish and Wildlife Service, not USDA Wildlife Services.

To your point Carl, while there are certain issues with them bidding, it is easy enough if a municipality or potential client wants a quote but not officially, can literally just
say "well I know you can't bid, but can you tell me what it would cost if you had done the work?" On the govt. end, easy to also say "I can't bid on your contract, but if we
did the work it would cost $X.00.

Loopholes.

That said, I know many many many state directors and other govt. supervisors who don't want this type of conflict and will point people who want the work toward private industry.

If however private industry doesn't have their "stuff" together to take it on at the time and place in a competent way and it is done and not to satisfaction, they can then go back to govt. for help
with no constraints.

Just in my "small" state, I heard first hand conversations from state directors and supervisors telling potential clients they had to go to private first. If that failed they could come back. But they had to show they had done it to avoid these issues. Everything from pigeons to prairie dogs, so despite the fact it does happen and yes there are some who will gladly step over or on the private guys to get the contracts, there are as many or more who have no desire or interest in having these debates and issues with private industry.

Beaver seems to be the real smoking gun back east and I know folks who definitely have a right to be angry at whats happened with some potential contracts and work who are skilled private industry folks and friends.

Just be sure if you are grinding an axe in your area you already know it needs to be sharp otherwise your wasting your time and air on an issue that for everyone does not exist.

Also while there are plenty of companies who are well insured, well trained, plenty of experience, there are plenty who won't even realize they need more insurance, more skills and equipment and other to take on certain types of work and show they can deal with possible liability! Those hurdles can take some sole proprietors right off the board for a client who is looking at all the details!

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled program.....
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/28/18 03:05 AM

Well said HD. There are some good guys out there.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/28/18 03:06 AM

Not sure what this will meen to us. But it may give usda a head acke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/anim...f-wild-animals/
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/29/18 02:21 AM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
Not sure what this will meen to us. But it may give usda a head acke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/anim...f-wild-animals/

So if this article is based in fact, and results in the elimination of Wildlife Services, do you believe that the private sector will then be able to swoop right in and do all of that nuisance work without any reprise by these same people trying to take out Wildlife Services?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/05/18 05:08 PM

Yes, we are indiviual companies, and we follow the law. but we need to be vigilant.
M
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/05/18 05:09 PM

Wonder if this went out to bid?
https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2018/07/04/290-geese-removed-from-ocean-pines-euthanized-by-usda/
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/06/18 01:17 AM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus
Yes, we are indiviual companies, and we follow the law. but we need to be vigilant.
M

How does being an individual company shield one from the action of zealots? They do not care about how or who euthanizes animals.
What do you mean when you throw "vigilant" into an already clumsily organized, fragmented sentence?
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/06/18 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus

Do you, or anyone that you know catch Canada geese during the molt?
Posted By: LAtrapper

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/09/18 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus


My son recently received a 32-page packet from Jefferson County, Alabama. It contained an INVITATION TO BID (ITB) for BEAVER CONTROL SERVICES- ITB NO 62-18 at various sites in Jefferson County. They do not seem to be inviting USDA-Wildlife Service to bid. The contract is too large for my son to handle. Maybe you, or another forum member, can handle it.
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/10/18 04:41 AM

Originally Posted By: LAtrapper
Originally Posted By: wildlifeus


My son recently received a 32-page packet from Jefferson County, Alabama. It contained an INVITATION TO BID (ITB) for BEAVER CONTROL SERVICES- ITB NO 62-18 at various sites in Jefferson County. They do not seem to be inviting USDA-Wildlife Service to bid. The contract is too large for my son to handle. Maybe you, or another forum member, can handle it.

Even if USDA-Wildlife Service was invited to bid, they cannot.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/15/18 06:36 PM

Then why did they bid on this work?

http://www.wvdispatch.com/ed_letters/a-call-for-information-on-geese-gathered-in-greenwood-lake/
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/15/18 06:36 PM

Yes there are companies in every state the do round ups.
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/16/18 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: wildlifeus

I read your attachment. Exactly where does is state that there was any bidding involved?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/25/19 10:38 AM

USDA Expanding their coyote trapping in FL.
No mention of private NWCOs
https://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20190123/feds-state-to-help-address-coyotes-in-destin
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/30/19 06:35 PM

Some more info in FL

https://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20190129/coyote-chat-coming-to-destin
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/19/19 05:18 PM

shooting pigs in AR.
http://newtoncountytimes.com/sports...5a2b604-4a4a-11e9-8253-eba52d4f5638.html
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 01/15/20 10:03 AM

There are bills in the congress that would help reduce government competition with private companies. Please check them out and contact your congressmen and senator and ask them to support these bills.

Congress Bill
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5329/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr5329%22%5D%7D&r=1&s=1

Senate Bill
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/2990/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22S.+2990%22%5D%7D&r=1&s=2
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 02/16/20 03:25 PM

Why didnt this go out to bid?

https://dailygazette.com/article/20...-war-against-thousands-of-roosting-crows
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/13/21 03:30 PM

I guess the privater sector isnt qualified to trap hogs?

https://talkbusiness.net/2021/04/farmers-turn-to-trapping-system-to-remove-feral-hogs/
Posted By: warrior

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/15/21 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by wildlifeus



I've got the local soil conservation district doing hog work for the grand sum of 25 dollars and client provides the corn and disposes of the carcasses with a jagerpro no less.

Makes you want to scream.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/24/21 07:41 PM

USDA Trying to say private contractors are not the way to go.

https://www.capitalpress.com/ag_sec...0b24b76-b8f9-11eb-8a67-338a4b3a9921.html
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 05/29/21 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by wildlifeus
USDA Trying to say private contractors are not the way to go.

https://www.capitalpress.com/ag_sec...0b24b76-b8f9-11eb-8a67-338a4b3a9921.html

You need to work on your reading comprehension.
“There is a common misconception that life is going to be easier with contracting,” said board co-chair Celia Gould, director of the state Department of Agriculture.

USDA and state Department of Agriculture are two entirely different entities. USDA did not comment on private contractors in this article.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/18/21 01:46 PM

Here is an opportunity to stop USDA from getting a contract nwco should be getting.
Please reach out to these contacts and tell them your interested in doing the work!
Here is the announcement;

https://a856-cityrecord.nyc.gov/RequestDetail?RequestId=20210603103

TITLE: Monitor and mitigate the damage caused by wildlife
Procurement Section
Sanitation (DSNY) Agency Name
44 Beaver Street, suite 203, New York, NY 10004 Request Address
Mehak Kapoor
phone: (212) 437-5053
email: mkapoor@dsny.nyc.gov Contact Information
Current Status
Services (other than human services) Category
Government to Government Selection Method
6/18/2021 - 6/24/2021 Publication Date
Intent to Award Notice Type
PIN#82721T0001 - Due: 6/28/2021 2:00 PM

PIN - Due Date
DESCRIPTION
The Department of Sanitation (DSNY) intends to enter into negotiations with United States Department of Agriculture Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service to monitor and mitigate the damage caused by wildlife at DSNY facilities from July 1, 2021 to June 30, 2026. The procurement method utilized is Government to Government in accordance to PPB Rule 3-13.

Vendors interested in responding to other future solicitations for these types of services should contact the Department of Sanitation to dsnyprocurements@dsny.nyc.gov.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/02/22 04:47 PM

20 7237 5200 RA North Carolina Department of Raleigh NC USA NC DOT: Beaver 07/01/20 06/30/21 $750,000.00
Transportation
Posted By: Aix sponsa

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/03/22 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by wildlifeus
20 7237 5200 RA North Carolina Department of Raleigh NC USA NC DOT: Beaver 07/01/20 06/30/21 $750,000.00
Transportation


Anymore information on this? Lots of North Carolina beaver trappers on this forum. A $750,000 contract could be a serious beaver gig for qualified operators
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/01/22 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by Aix sponsa


Anymore information on this? Lots of North Carolina beaver trappers on this forum. A $750,000 contract could be a serious beaver gig for qualified operators

The challenge would be to assemble a small army of beaver trappers to handle the volume of work this gig requires.
They are losing roads to beavers. They want those beavers under control asap.
I cannot imagine the task of hiring as many qualified, trustworthy trappers as would be needed to handle a project of this size and scope. These trappers would be scattered all over the state. It would be tough to keep track of all of them, and keep them on the same page.
Posted By: Aix sponsa

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/01/22 11:30 AM

Then someone needs to open up a school to train private trappers.

There’s way more to beaver work than catching beavers, and that’s where training comes in
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 04/20/22 04:06 AM

Training someone to trap beavers, even the last beaver would not be the difficult part. You need trappers who have good communications skills and be able to function with little supervision for a statewide program of this magnitude. Some of those skills aren't something you can school them on. Either a guy has it or he doesn't.
I am not sure what you mean by educating "private trappers." Are you suggesting that this project could be handled by numerous individual private trappers working independent of each other?
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 09/08/22 01:43 PM

Market Research
The Government is issuing this Sources Sought Notice to determine a competitive basis. This is not a solicitation. No reimbursement will be made for any costs associated with providing information in response to this survey.
The Nashville District oversees ten lakes, nine multi-purpose dams, eighteen navigation locks at fourteen locations, 267 recreation areas, 3,522 camping sites, and over 3,800 miles of shoreline. During the course of any given year, nuisance wildlife issues arise. These issues have ranged from removing skunks or raccoons from campgrounds to dispersing vultures, Canadian geese, and gulls. The need, however, extends beyond just removing a nuisance. For instance, other problems that the District encounters include animals burrowing into the District’s earthen dams—one of which is classified as DSAC I. Being able to quickly address these invasive species prevents weakening of these structures and the failure to address them poses a safety problem. The total area covered by these services is 336,106 acres of land and 216,200 acres of water.
As part of our market research we would like to get an idea of what industry is currently pricing these types of services. Please see the listed bid item schedule and complete and return to Contract Specialist Dellaria Martin at email Dellaria.L.Martin@usace.army.mil. We realize that more information could narrow the pricing; however this should be adequate for pricing alone at this time. Please keep in mind that mileage and per diem is always priced at the government rate in accordance with the Joint Travel Regulation (JTR).
REQUEST COST
*Removal of Canada geese from Obey River Campground Dale Hollow Dam $_____________
Pesticide treatment of vole colonies on Wolf Creek Dam $_____________
*Vulture roost dispersal from Cheatham Dam with lethal control $_____________
Skunk removal from Anderson Road Campground Nashville Area $______________
*Vulture roost dispersal from Wilson Lock with lethal control $______________
*Removal of Canada geese from Percy Priest beaches $______________
*Gull dispersal from Wheeler Lock with lethal control $______________
Raccoon removal from Old Hickory Dam $______________
*Osprey and nest removal from Barkley Powerhouse switch yard $______________
Beaver control on Old Hickory $______________
*Canada goose removal from Cordell Hull beaches $______________
*Items with asterisk require a Migratory Bird Permit. Application process for Migratory Bird Permit takes approximately 4-6 weeks for each incident of migratory bird take. Does your firm have a current MBP permit?
Costs should be listed for each request for control work. We realize it is near impossible to price these items without specific quantities that may be ordered. If you can’t price these items as is, please respond in that manner.
Please include:
Firm Name:
Duns Number:
Cage Code:
Please respond by Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:00 a.m. Central Time.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/09/22 04:33 PM

USDA is starting to do Coyote control in Mass.
I wonder if they have to abide by the same regulations on traps as the PACs?

https://jgpr.net/2022/12/08/town-of...e-officials-to-dispatch-problem-coyotes/
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 12/19/22 08:22 PM

USDA Doing predator control in ME. And they are not telling their clients there are NWCO's licensed in the state;
Here is a link the the notification
https://www.maine.gov/dafs/bbm/proc...ices/files/noi-docs/NOI%201220221240.pdf
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 03/07/23 11:53 PM

USDA doing urban coyote control in California.
https://abc7news.com/belvedere-coyotes-usda-snipers-marin-county-coyote-island/12911980/
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 06/22/23 01:20 PM

USDA doing goose control in TX

https://www.newschannel6now.com/2023/06/19/geese-removed-sikes-lake-msu-texas/
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/07/23 12:27 PM

No NWCO are safe from USDA competition;
Even in ID
https://cdapress.com/news/2023/jul/01/city-beach-geese-rounded-euthanized-coeur-dalene-p/
Posted By: steeltraps

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 07/07/23 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by wildlifeus

Im 5 hrs from there doing some coyote work myself.
Posted By: wildlifeus

Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN - 11/10/23 01:46 PM

I wonder how much work they will actually refer to NWCOS?
I’m sure it will be the small jobs and they will take all the big ones.

https://www.hotsr.com/news/2023/nov/09/agfc-usda-aphis-wildlife-services-unveil-new/
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