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#2936420 - 01/09/12 10:56 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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#2936518 - 01/09/12 12:16 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Out of work trap]
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Registered: 04/03/10
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Originally Posted By: Out of work trap
The USDA is even a villein in Hollywood now. Yes that's right The USDA is represented in a new movie "We Bot a Zoo " as the shifty bag guy. They say that the press and movies are a good representation of the times there made, and also the psyche of society, and of the people .



USDA Veterinary Services who oversee animal health including livestock, zoos and research facilities to name a few and are the federal oversight for livestock disease.

I just keep finding it hard to understand how these off topic posts that don't related to WS help the case? We bought a zoo? Really?

Everyone in this fight should be sure they know which branch of USDA the posts they are writing are about.

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#2936717 - 01/09/12 02:31 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Registered: 04/14/11
Loc: Boca Grande FL
Yes Parker, it was Veterinary Services. You know that and I know that ,but all the people in the audience saw, in big letters on his truck and name badge was "USDA"

Now you know my history !, Here I am at the movies with my wife and 8 year old daughter. I just thought it to be Ironic. In a family movie the USDA is depicted as the Villein .
To tell you the truth. Mien and my wife's jaw dropped . And yes I did laugh out loud and and said " You Got to be Sh--ing me ,Hollywood is on them now.

PS - AR groups want all trapping and hunting ended, the govt. just helps them grab the most donor cash and hype!
This comment is why I stand by my statement! They are making all of us look like clowns. and the more fuel WS gives the AR's the closer we are to laws being pasted that will hurt the privet wildlife trappers!!!



Edited by Out of work trap (01/09/12 02:32 PM)

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#2938328 - 01/10/12 08:27 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Registered: 03/28/07
Loc: Gainesville, Alachua, Florida,...
Closing of 259 USDA Offices Raises Safety Concerns

..............and not one WS office-yet!

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/...s#ixzz1j3vOJ6Eh
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#2966671 - 01/23/12 11:16 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Registered: 02/28/11
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USDA doing Mute Swan work in MI

I also ask the question why should you need a permit to control an exotic/invasive species??????

http://www.whitelakebeacon.com/news/2650...tat-restoration
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#2972785 - 01/25/12 09:54 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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USDA is doing pigeon control in TN

I guess USDA really respects the mou with npma.

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#2973058 - 01/26/12 12:32 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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pisses me of your training is only for airport personnel,,,,,,,,,,,,, ALMOST as bad as the usdaws,,,,,,,,,,,,!!!!!!@
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#2973258 - 01/26/12 07:48 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Not all of them are. It is up to the host airport.
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#2973314 - 01/26/12 08:39 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Registered: 04/03/10
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Think the writer missed the boat on how toxicants work. Either they are using alpha chloralose or 1339
One of which isn't a toxicants and the other isn't putting them to "sleep" at least not how most folks would interpret.
The multiple bids is interesting however the mou with npma doesn't cover all nwcos only those with npma membership in the area.

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#2985796 - 02/01/12 08:07 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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#3114987 - 04/10/12 11:50 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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#3115203 - 04/10/12 03:20 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Registered: 07/23/08
Loc: mequon, wisconsin
Every time I get a no-brainer like this one, I end up being wrong. Maybe someone like Justin needs to comment on this one.

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#3115309 - 04/10/12 04:28 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Paul Winkelmann]
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Registered: 04/03/10
Loc: NM
Paul,

the 1080 and sodium cyanide folks have been after this as a target of the AR agenda for many many decades.

here would be my .02 for the record (had this discussion with some AR folks on another forum not long ago, so
fresh in my mind.

1) 1080 in the US is only put in livestock protection collars. this for those in the know means that you only kill
the predator that bites the neck of that animal. if there is a more specific method of knowing you got the "right guy"
outside of seeing the event happen and pulling the trigger, I haven't heard it. these collars are expensive which means
they aren't put out willy nilly all over the countryside.

2) the dose is meant to kill that animal attacking, not cursory scavengers, etc... which is what the AR groups draw upon
to say this is a bad and awful chemical.

3) moving on to the M-44's, not only can agents of this outfit use them, but licensed applicators including ranchers in many
western states can as well.

4) there are more than 20+ rules that govern the deployment of these devices, which when pulled by the coyote discharge
the dose of sodium cyanide killing the coyote often within steps of the device.

5) the problems with both? well, frankly most of the dead canines of the domestic variety were killed by trespassing hikers and folks
who walked right past the mandatory signage or better yet, tore down the signage and proceeded to watch their canine companion
die in front of them.

I love my dogs, both of which died a couple of years back of old age, cancer related things. Both had been caught in footholds once
while on the line in Michigan with us, and both if I trespassed and walked past the "danger" "peligro" signage could have been lost to
these tools.

The bottom line for me is that the collar with 1080 is a no brainer, it is specific to the animal depredating, something the antis rail over
when it comes to widespread predator control with traps, snares and aerial hunting.

M-44's, yep this could result in another non-target pull, but the guys after these target coyotes don't want to work more hours to get
the same critter, so they are targeting with specific baits and lures and setting on sign and where damage is occurring,

Hope that helps provide some background for anyone not knowledgeable or on the fence.

Not defending the agency here, just stating facts about the two toxicants in question.

Justin

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#3115312 - 04/10/12 04:31 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Registered: 02/13/12
Loc: south east michigan
There were doing deer on the west side of are state ,clamed the city dint have the funding so the fed tax payers flipped the bill
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#3115317 - 04/10/12 04:33 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Paul Winkelmann]
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Originally Posted By: Paul Winkelmann
Every time I get a no-brainer like this one, I end up being wrong. Maybe someone like Justin needs to comment on this one.


paul, i should have asked, you talking about the deer story or the other?

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#3115374 - 04/10/12 04:58 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
Paul Winkelmann Offline
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Registered: 07/23/08
Loc: mequon, wisconsin
You answered the right one, Justin, and as always gave a much better view of the whole subject. It took me way too long to learn that most questions have more than one answer. Even though sometimes I really don't like one of the answers; there is so much truth in the slogan: " YOU WILL NEVER LEARN A THING FROM SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH YOU."

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#3117184 - 04/11/12 08:09 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Registered: 02/28/11
Loc: USA
USDA wildlife services get 90k for geese removal in pa.
Still think your not missing out on work?

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/04/11/3158466/airport-gets-ok-to-curtail-duck.html
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#3133945 - 04/24/12 11:49 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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USDA soliciting more work and critical of the local trappers and hunters.

http://m.wset.com/default.aspx?pid=2705&...type%3drssstory
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#3143086 - 05/01/12 06:25 PM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Although the reasoning behind this legislation is sound, the wording may be to broad. USDA may use this to expand their power to compete against us.

What do you think?

SEC. 12206. CANADA GEESE REMOVAL.
http://www.ag.senate.gov/issues/farm-bill
(a) In General.—On a determination by the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration that the population of Canada geese residing on land under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service that is located within 5 miles of any commercial airport poses a risk to flight safety, the Secretary (acting through the Administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service), in consultation with the Secretary of the Interior and the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, shall—
(1) by the first subsequent molting period for Canada geese that occurs after the date of enactment of this Act, publish a management plan that provides for the removal, by not later than 1 year after the date of publication, of all Canada geese residing on the applicable land; and
(2) as soon as practicable after the date of publication of the management plan under paragraph (1), commence removal of Canada geese from the applicable land.
(b) JFK International Airport.—Not later than June 1, 2012, the Secretary (acting through the Administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service) shall—
(1) issue a record of decision for the document entitled "Supplement to the Environmental Impact Statement Bird Hazard Reduction Program: John F. Kennedy International Airport"; and
(2) commence consultation with the Secretary of the Interior to complete the collection and removal of Canada geese from the applicable National Park Service land to ensure that the removal is completed by not later than August 1, 2012.
 
 
http://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/newsroo...ratic-red-tape_  
 
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#3145373 - 05/03/12 07:50 AM Re: USDA Wildlife Services ITN [Re: Wildlife2]
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Registered: 09/08/10
Loc: North of the river in missouri
Wildlife 2 where did it state WS was critical of local trappers catching coyotes? Also a bounty program is ineffective and has been proven to be a waste of money time and time again!

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