Thanks guys. How many losses a year do you figure these mods save you? Out of how many catches? And how long does it extend the life of the trap?

I have more No 2 DLS than coilsprings I love to use em when its get bitterly cold I ve got some old Vics that are as strong as the day they we made got lucky they had just been hanging in a old barn for years never used or barely used . I have some of those aux. springs to strengthen up a few that are a tad bit weak .Got to love the DLS

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Some Victor 3N's with big pan kits from Aaron 32-it is his big pan welded on top of the pit-pan-really easy to install-thought they would make great Bobcat traps

Somebody asked about adding pan tension to a Triumph DLS. I drilled out the pan rivet and replaced it with a brass bolt, washer and nut. Now no pan wobble and I can set the tension as high as I need to. Cuts down on nontarget catches and toe catches.

Someone else may have pointed this out in a previous reply, but, if you live in an area with freeze/thaw conditions coil spring levers will freeze down pretty easy but the springs on a long spring will not freeze down. The bottom side of the bottom of the spring may freeze to the ground but the upper part of the spring will always spring upward. A coil spring lever can stay frozen down. Of course for the long spring to work the dog and pan can't be frozen up.

Who is the best person to do modification on DLS traps ?
Is it Aaron 32 ?
PM me if ness.

Aaron is a great choice and close to you.

http://www.lanestrapsupply.com/


Jason is another.

http://www.customtrapmodification.com/index.html

Is it just me or anybody else feel this way I just can't bring myself to weld on my long springs. Other than to Offset the jaws.

Someone talked about not using a 4.5 dbl because the amount of extra strength is to much for a land set. Would it be possible to put #3 or 4 springs on a #4.5 dbl, you would get a larger trap with a softer grab. Once a dbl locks up it doesn't matter anyways, a # 11 will hold a coyote:

That is a good one blunder, but I think the 4 1/2 is not too much trap so never tried it.

Victor #4 I made dogless with a huge pan for cats...

#2 Dogless with a nice MN coon...

No damage or chewing...no lams either #2 Vic

Working on having complete crossframe/dogless set ups available in the #2 size by Summer, for those that can weld or drill makes a sweet set up! Other sizes to follow. Give me some feedback on what you'd like to see available...

I am waiting on them #2 DLS set ups. I'm not picky about about having the full cross frame. What I really want is the arm I can put pan on and nuts on the cross frame. A #4 DLS dogless set up for beaver in the spring and and coyotes and cats in the fall. A Duke 1.5& #2 coil conversation would be convert my water line over.


I look forward to seeing what models you work on. Your design looks simple, adjustable and stout. I could not ask for more. I spent a lot of time working on dogless set ups for DLS if I had access to yours I would have used them from the get go.

I would not have expected anything less from such a skilled mater craftsman.

They will be sold as a complete set up, it is simple, adjustable for tension, and heavy duty no doubt.

Thanks for the kind words JM...

I for see the price of #2 longs increasing in the near future, cant wait till they come out

A couple of my pals called me 4-11 for years because that's all I owned # 4 B&L's , #11's mont. and sleepy creek , and caught everything in them .
It drove them nuts that I would not conform to the coilspring fad .
I finally caved when MB 750's came out .

That is a SICK #4 dogless Bridger. I recently ordered a duke #5 DLS, a sleepy 4 1/2 DLS and a Bridger #5 to compare frame strength because im not happy about the sleepy #4 DLS that have bent where the jaws are held in place. In my opinion the Duke #5 with a paws-I-trip added already seems to be the way to go...Until jason comes out with some dogless #4 & #5 bridgers. Targeting cat/coyote, but I've had no problems with raccoons chewing on the big longspring as long as its offset. I think if they were $249.99 a dozen for #4 dogless DLS I'd buy em.

As far as fixing the #4's that the frame is bending, I'm thinking of welding some angle on the outside of the frame that will carry from the bottom of the frame, through the 90 turn and through the bottom spring eye once installed back on the trap. Just frustrating that sleepy creek would put out a product that's ALMOST well made. Glad I bought just one to try out.

Watts, my SC's are baseplated and the jaws bubble welded. I know what you mean about the bending where the frame starts up 90 degrees to hold the jaws in place. I bought these traps already modified like that so its not an issue at all.
Either way if I buy more new I will have to try what you are talking about or add base plates and either bend the ends of the jaws up into a 'U' shape or bubble weld them.

Even tho the SC's have this small issue I still like them as good as any other DLS- the pan stop looked like a pain when I got them but after I learned to use it (read tune the trap right) I learned to love them.

Jason, I am first in line, correct?

Have 300+ #2's just waiting to be converted to dogless. Also would love to convert my #4 dls. With those two traps I wouldn't need any others to catch every animal on my traplines.

Are double long springs better than coilsprings??? For both land and water?