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Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? #2055672
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Given 3 cables of the same diameter, what would be the order of chew resistance, least to most, for 1x19, 7x7, 7x19?

Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: Furvor] #2056181
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Just like you have them listed. The 7x19 is softest the 1x19 is hardest to chew through.

7x7 has seven strands of seven wires each. Flexible yet strong. Used in most snares larger than 5/64” diameter. Medium chew resistance.

7x19 has seven strands of 19 wires each. Its greater metallic area makes it stronger than 7 x 7 cable. Most flexible but easier to chew through, not recommended for snares but makes great extension cables and drowner cables.

1x19 is one strand of 19 wires. Stiffest cable of the three but also the most chew resistant and smoothest feel.

1/16” - 480lb break strength
5/64” - 650lb break strength
3/32” - 920lb break strength

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Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: ~ADC~] #2056188
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Adc, I get a pile of 1/8" aircraft cable from work, which catagory do you suppose it falls in? I use it for drowner wire and it has a few wraps in it. Kinks relatively easily from 30lb+ beavers. What do you suggest for drowner lines off the beaten path where I might reuse safely?

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Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: big_twinhd] #2056272
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Originally Posted By: big_twinhd
Adc, I get a pile of 1/8" aircraft cable from work, which catagory do you suppose it falls in? I use it for drowner wire and it has a few wraps in it. Kinks relatively easily from 30lb+ beavers. What do you suggest for drowner lines off the beaten path where I might reuse safely?

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I'd guess 7x7 but no way to be sure without seeing it on the cable you are getting. It should be fine for drowners or slides. Keeping it tight will help avoid kinks. In water an adjustable drowner would be easiest to keep tight. On land I'd think you could stretch anything out good and taught.

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Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: ~ADC~] #2056502
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I use 1/8" 7x7 for drowners and love it. All my drowners are adjustable though and pulled tight as I can get them when set.


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Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: bad karma] #2056514
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ADC, you forgot my choice of the stainless 7x7-3/32nd SWAGGED DOWN TO 5/64th, use in foot snaring...(and I think otter by Newt S.)

Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: LT GREY] #2056530
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Thanks ADC...



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Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: bad karma] #2056565
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Originally Posted By: bad karma
All my drowners are adjustable though and pulled tight as I can get them when set.


how do you make them adjustable?

thanks.

Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: white marlin] #2056590
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By using a Camloc right near the end.

Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: LT GREY] #2056619
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Originally Posted By: LT GREY
By using a Camloc right near the end.


ahhhh...that makes sense!

thanks!

Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: white marlin] #2057296
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Thanks, ADC.

Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: Furvor] #2057308
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Is the cable really getting "chewed"? Twisted, yes, but not chewed I think.

The problems you have with your cable should be fixed with swivels and good tangle ups to kill or better killing locks.

All the time that I thought I was getting a "chew out" it was not the case at all. Next time you catch a critter that is close to having the cable "chewed" in two note the twist in the cable and the critters teeth, enamel does not fare to well with steel.


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Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: kansaskoons] #2059905
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Good point.

Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: ~ADC~] #2059921
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Originally Posted By: ~ADC~
Just like you have them listed. The 7x19 is softest the 1x19 is hardest to chew through.

7x7 has seven strands of seven wires each. Flexible yet strong. Used in most snares larger than 5/64” diameter. Medium chew resistance.

7x19 has seven strands of 19 wires each. Its greater metallic area makes it stronger than 7 x 7 cable. Most flexible but easier to chew through, not recommended for snares but makes great extension cables and drowner cables.

1x19 is one strand of 19 wires. Stiffest cable of the three but also the most chew resistant and smoothest feel.

1/16” - 480lb break strength
5/64” - 650lb break strength
3/32” - 920lb break strength

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Pat, as usual, you are right....

Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: thrstyunderwater] #2059981
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Swivels, swivels, swivels.
I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of the "chewouts", are nothing but the animal rolling and jumping, and "loading" the cable up so bad it causes breakage and seperation.
If you don't believe it here is a test you can try with whatever type cable you use.
First take a length of cable about 18"-24" long, and use a double ferrule on each end to form a loop. Hold the cable infront of you and pull it tight, by putting an index finger from each hand, into the loops you made on the ends. Now twist one end of the cable to simulate an animal rolling. After each rotation of the cable, keep the fingers in the loop to maintain the number of revolutions you made of the cable, but let it go slack by moving your hands closer together. After abou three rotations of the cable, then let it go slack and then tighten it up real hard by moving your hands away from each other, to simulate an animal lurching or jumping at the set. Bet you have a kink in the cable about now!! Now keep rotating the cable,bet after about 6 turns you will notice the cable start to wrap and roll onto itself when you allow it to go slack. Now imagine how many times an Otter, beaver, coon, or coyote rolls at a set, especially if you are out in the open and no entanglement is available. Now just for kicks, cut that length of cable where it kinks, put an inline swivel there, and see how many times you can twist it before the cable "loads up".
The swivels will save you money in the long run in both fur damage and animal retention. If you can't use compression springs or don't use kill poles, the swivels will retain the animal at the set longer.


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Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: Rally] #2060769
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Twisted or chewed Rally?

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Re: Snare Cable Chew Resistance ? [Re: ~ADC~] #2060893
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1/16” - 480lb break strength
5/64” - 650lb break strength
3/32” - 920lb break strength

I think those numbers are for 7x7

With out doing a bunch of resirch I had this on the wall for 1x19

5/65" 800
3/32" 1200
7/64" 1800
1/8" 2100


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